A question of L4D morality....

[Iskenator67]

I have this OCD like pension to save any friendly or neutral AI I can in a FPS game...which made for interesting run threws of Halo and Hal life, I'd keep on trying until they were saved..... you might waste a few extra hours doing it...but damn you feel proud of yourself when you do it...


I know I know......I need meds....for more than one reason >>

I did the same thing in a mission on Oblivion. I repeated it until Jaffure and Barrius stayed alive. it took me 4 tries.

 

[TJ rock 101]

If its the AI i never touch them, not after what they did in single player (expert).
They always let me die if i get snared/pounced on because they feel they HAVE to bat it off me, oh no, they cant just shoot it and save me, they MUST run up to it only to find im dead by the time they get to me.
They do not help me, i do not help them. Ever.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

I also love it when you have friendly fire it means you have to try harder to save them....damn I miss solid SP focused games.... even if half the fun or innovation is randomness in the build....

Oh, yes, friendly fire. Me and him have gone down many paths together. Most recently, he was in my Call of Duty: World at War. Helped me waste every soldier who was oblivious to the fact that there was a stream of bullets from my gun that were intersecting his path to reach the lemonade stand across the field from him.

Maddening stuff, really.

I'd rather have it than no friendly fire at all where they just soakup you're bullets like it was nothing... quake 4 and few other titles with no friendly fire it really kills the immersion I desire in FPSs and here DX3 comes along with a 3rdP health regen cover system.... on gwad shoot me now ><

I can freely admit I am a Left 4 Dead junkie. I usually get at least one campaign and/or versus in a night. My last two campaigns ended on a bit of a sad note, with me being the only rescued survivor as the others (bots) had gotten hung up on something and overwhelmed by the final horde. I had the choice of leaving the vehicle and trying to rescue at least one, but the odds were in the favor of me being turned into mash by the tank. So I tried to add my fire as I could but eventually the other three were incapped and the vehicle left with one lone survivor.
This has got me to thinking of how to approach this in multiplayer. Would it be better to sacrifice the chance for one person to escape in order to make the effort to rescue the others, even if it is going to end with a loss and the level restarted. Or to do what you can from the rescue vehicle and try to guarantee that the campaign will be resolved?
There are factors to be considered, such as, were the others making a dumb choice on how to go to the vehicle? In my case it wouldn't be me leaving a slower less-healthy player behind, I would be following them. But bad luck can be a factor where everyone is green but as one person reaches the rescue vehicle the others might get knocked down by a well-thrown boulder from the tank.
Maybe this is a lot of thought to put into it, but I am curious as to others' input.

I have this OCD like pension to save any friendly or neutral AI I can in a FPS game...which made for interesting run threws of Halo and Hal life, I'd keep on trying until they were saved..... you might waste a few extra hours doing it...but damn you feel proud of yourself when you do it...


I know I know......I need meds....for more than one reason >>

I can agree with that it took me 5 hours to save this guy in i think resistance and what pissed me off the most is when i did get it ha didn't do jack shit he just stood thete like a retard.

Sometimes the AI gets stuck even in games with better AI the AI always dose random sht sometimes it leaves marks sometimes its just funny.

Yeah there were two seperate bits on Cod:waw where a guy gets killed becuase of a japanese ambush (Not counting Saved pvt ryan cheivement and guardian angel cheivement) By getting bayoneted for drama and Macheted for drama, What I did to be really quick is run infront of my whole squad and then blast the shit out of the jap when he gets up to attack. Funny thing is then the american soldier fell down like someone had tackled him and wrestled with the air, as if trying to stop someone bayoneting him, then blood spurting out of hios neck and him dying, With no one having attacked him at all... Now THATS someone who learned his lines.

Also in L4D I did this awesome thing In versus where my team was down. I was still up, but low on health and the zombies and tank where charging me, what I did is I pulled out pain pills, yelling 'Spinach!' through the mic in my most popeye voice ever, then continuing to wail on the Tank, hunter, hunter2 and boomer, + the horde respectiveley with the popeye voice in a gory, loud and long battle where I was armed with all but dual pistols. it was EPIC to get the tank I ran near an edge while he charged at me then jumped outta the way. (The player for the tank was a right tard.) Allowing him enjoy a 500ft drop to kingdom kom.

Its strange the loopholes can almost be more rewarding than the normal stuff in a game even if you find out things that are just overlooked.

I really need to get on TF2 and L4D I have played it on others comps but I am so annoyed with steam ><

Ah well one of these days.

 

[Dragon Zero]

I always tried to keep my squad mates from getting incapacitated in Republic Commando, it lead to some great moments in my gaming life.

 

[Deef]

I'm a griefer, I'll teabag the guy who's fallen for a little bit, and kill anyone who tries to pick him up.

L4D was made for people like me.

 

[Christemo]

run if its too bad, stay if its not. at the vehicle, i just say "continue without me" as id rather win the campaign than do the map all over again.

 

[The Iron Ninja]

I always try to save them now, even the AI players.

On my first play-through, I ended up with only one AI survivor (Zoey) left when the helicopter came.

Zoey got swarmed by infected just out of sight, then pounced on by a hunter.
I was in the helicopter, and could possibly have saved her if I had gone to help, but I didn't.
Even though it was an AI player, I felt like such a bastard.
Especially since I was Bill. Who, being the old 'nam vet, should have been the one sacrificing his life to save the others.

 

[El Taco the Rogue]

Whenever I do in survival I end up dead first

 

[TundraWolf]

I'm definitely the kind of guy to do my best to save characters in games.

I don't know why, really, but I'm incredibly loyal to my squadmates in video games, AI or otherwise. When playing through stuff like Halo and Half-Life, I would always try to make sure that I keep any squadmates I come across alive until at least the end of the level. In the original Half-Life, this resulted in me having an entourage of (no joke) fifteen NPC's following me around, security guards and scientists all following me in a joint effort to stay alive.

In Left 4 Dead, I have risked my own life on numerous occasions to save other people. Most of the time, it doesn't end up in suicide, either. For instance: playing through No Mercy, we're on the finale map. I've got my auto-shotgun and I'm just wailing on everybody. The helicopter swoops in, just as we take down a tank, and I yell for everyone to book it. I'm the last one off the roof, and the others are running and gunning. One person gets jumped by a Hunter; I unload the rest of my ammo into the Hunter to shreds and hold off the horde with my pistols to let the other player up. We continue running. By now, one person is already on the heli, and the other is mid-jump.

All of a sudden, just as we're about to jump onto the heli ourselves (literally right next to it), the player who got jumped is swarmed and knocked down. Seeing this, I turn and run all the way back to the ammo pile, reload my shotty, come back and unload into the horde that has formed. I manage to save the person, get them back to their feet while the two in the heli cover us, and then hold off the horde as the player gets on the heli. All before jumping on myself and flying away.

Definitely the most proud moment I've ever experienced in multiplayer gaming, and it's a story that my friends tell all the time, now.

But yeah. Long story short, I try and save people, no matter the opposition. It's just how I roll.

 

[danosaurus]

There are times when you must cut your losses to an incapped survivor. Oftentimes the sheer number of zombies and/or the presence of a tank dictates that some sacrifices must be made.

Don't think of it as me abandoning them, I'm simply saving them.....with a Molotov Cocktail.
I save them with fire.

Hear, hear!
Allow the cleansing graces of fire do the rescuing

 

[Torian_Kel]

There are times when you must cut your losses to an incapped survivor. Oftentimes the sheer number of zombies and/or the presence of a tank dictates that some sacrifices must be made.

Don't think of it as me abandoning them, I'm simply saving them.....with a Molotov Cocktail.
I save them with fire.

Hear, hear!
Allow the cleansing graces of fire do the rescuing

Incorrect.

Use a pipe bomb it will draw more zombies to the poor bastard and save you in the process.

 

[Sir Broccoli]

This thread reminds me of something that happened to me in L4D.
We were almost on the boat which would save us all when I got grabbed by a smoker. The other three guys decided to leave the boat to help me. Long story short: We all wound up being torn to pieces by a tank.
Good times, good times...

 

[danosaurus]

I'm definitely the kind of guy to do my best to save characters in games.

I don't know why, really, but I'm incredibly loyal to my squadmates in video games, AI or otherwise. When playing through stuff like Halo and Half-Life, I would always try to make sure that I keep any squadmates I come across alive until at least the end of the level. In the original Half-Life, this resulted in me having an entourage of (no joke) fifteen NPC's following me around, security guards and scientists all following me in a joint effort to stay alive.

In Left 4 Dead, I have risked my own life on numerous occasions to save other people. Most of the time, it doesn't end up in suicide, either. For instance: playing through No Mercy, we're on the finale map. I've got my auto-shotgun and I'm just wailing on everybody. The helicopter swoops in, just as we take down a tank, and I yell for everyone to book it. I'm the last one off the roof, and the others are running and gunning. One person gets jumped by a Hunter; I unload the rest of my ammo into the Hunter to shreds and hold off the horde with my pistols to let the other player up. We continue running. By now, one person is already on the heli, and the other is mid-jump.

All of a sudden, just as we're about to jump onto the heli ourselves (literally right next to it), the player who got jumped is swarmed and knocked down. Seeing this, I turn and run all the way back to the ammo pile, reload my shotty, come back and unload into the horde that has formed. I manage to save the person, get them back to their feet while the two in the heli cover us, and then hold off the horde as the player gets on the heli. All before jumping on myself and flying away.

Definitely the most proud moment I've ever experienced in multiplayer gaming, and it's a story that my friends tell all the time, now.

But yeah. Long story short, I try and save people, no matter the opposition. It's just how I roll.

That, sir, is Epic in all respects.
I'm thinking you were a Paladin in a past-life perhaps?

 

[danosaurus]

There are times when you must cut your losses to an incapped survivor. Oftentimes the sheer number of zombies and/or the presence of a tank dictates that some sacrifices must be made.

Don't think of it as me abandoning them, I'm simply saving them.....with a Molotov Cocktail.
I save them with fire.

Hear, hear!
Allow the cleansing graces of fire do the rescuing

Incorrect.

Use a pipe bomb it will draw more zombies to the poor bastard and save you in the process.

But.... fire

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

There are times in L4D that I'll leave someone to die even though I'm in a position to save them. Generally, this is the result of a pattern of behaivor that makes me believe the team has a better shot at surviving without them. That said, in adversarial mode, I WILL leave the safe house to resuce a downed survivor if I'm the only one who made it in. The reason being the point difference between one survivor and no survivors at that point is negligable.

I do tend to try to save people in FPS games in general though. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that my first true online game experience was Team Fortress (quake 1 days) and I started out as a medic.

 

[4fromK]

lol, l4d is great. i only play at my mates place, and it brings out some pretty awesome griefing between us.
Him (beating down last remaining zombie of a horde): "heh, I'm gonna take this one down just with melee"
me: "shit, its killing you! JERRY CAN TO THE RESCUE!!!!" *throws down jerry can, shoots and flees. remaining three characters are trapped in house and die in the fire. friend glares at me

 

[Frybird]

I love L4D for its awesome little stories that happen.

Fitting for the Topic:
Played with a friend and two bots on Blood Harvest. APC came in, me and my friend made a run for it. Bots came after, but a few meters before safety, they inexplicably stopped, turned around and shot some more horde.

Long story short, it ended in the most "assholey" outro ever, with us in the APC driving away while Bill lies on the ground shooting and crying for help JUST BESIDE THE VEHICLE and Louis being strangled to death in the background.

Laughed our asses off even long after the "credits"

 

[samsonguy920]

This thread reminds me of something that happened to me in L4D.
We were almost on the boat which would save us all when I got grabbed by a smoker. The other three guys decided to leave the boat to help me. Long story short: We all wound up being torn to pieces by a tank.
Good times, good times...

Smokers I think rank number 1 in Special Infected that can screw up a well laid plan, with Boomers being number 2. But that's how I have encountered them so far.

 

[DM.]

I bought Left 4 Dead, and returned it later in a trade for Saints Row 2.

I honestly don't know what keeps people playing Left 4 Dead, its a good game, and one i'd suggest renting, but why is it so popular as a buy?

I did the opposite of this. And think the opposite to this.


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