A question to quickscopers.

[nuba km]

Personally I think sniping in FPS games could be considerably improved if it did two things:

1.Have to be in Scope for a full second before any sort of accuracy is achieved

2.Bullet Drop. This one isn't as implementable in COD, but other games that use larger maps (Battlefield) should definitely use it. It would balance the distance on rifles, so the user had to be good to use it at range. Maybe some battlefield titles already use this, but I've only played BC and it definitely doesn't.

1. CoD did have this but the fanboys threw a hissy fit and they removed it.
2. BC2 has it and it makes sniping all the more rewarding and requiring skill, this is also great for me because I am brilliant at predicting drop so I am a awesome sniper in BC2.

 

[verdugo136]

i say feck quick scoping use a sniper rifle right or not at all

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Treyarch had the right idea nerfing it for Blops, but fell victim to the massive tidalwave of tears from whiney 12-year-olds...

Can we please, please get rid of this fallacy that calling people you disagree with 12 year olds somehow makes their opinion less valid? It's really immature and stupid.

Anyway, everyone seems to be torn between saying quickscoping should be taken out because it's ineffective and because it's too effective, so I'm not sure what's going on there, I for one am all for it because it's just more fun for me.

 

[Drummie666]

I don't hate people for "Hardscoping." I just hate when they camp in a corner and watch a doorway with their scope. Since you're not doing that, but instead moving around and killing people, you are just fine. Just mute the quickscopers and hope to hell they don't hack you.

 

[crono738]

Personally I think sniping in FPS games could be considerably improved if it did two things:

-Have to be in Scope for a full second before any sort of accuracy is achieved

-Bullet Drop. This one isn't as implementable in COD, but other games that use larger maps (Battlefield) should definitely use it. It would balance the distance on rifles, so the user had to be good to use it at range. Maybe some battlefield titles already use this, but I've only played BC and it definitely doesn't.

Bad Company 2 has bullet drop.

OT: Quick-scoping is retarded as hell, there's a reason I only really play BC2 now -_-

 

[Zergadooful]

I was playing MW2 with my friends last night against a group of quickscoping 12 year olds, and they were using wall hacks and lag switches. We were using snipers against them like actual snipers and pulling off amazing shots, while they consistently missed from 5 feet away. They then had the nerve to say that we sucked.

Needless to say, I hate people that quickscope and think they're pro because they exploit a stupid game mechanic. I don't mind people quickscoping every now and then when they have no other option, but only doing it is a ***** move.

 

[xHipaboo420x]

You, they, everybody involved: you are all incredibly mad. It's just a game, and both are legitimate strategies.

 

[Fuselage]

1. you hide behind an open door and pick off enemies who come through, looting the corpse for ammo and supplies afterward. you are alone, you are not supporting a friendly sniper or holding down a checkpoint, just racking up kills by hiding and picking off enemies from the same spot over and over. this is CAMPING. it's okay for a kill or 2 (ie. you know you're being followed, so you get the drop on em) but staying for the duration of the game (or at least a good part of it) Will earn you a special place in gaming 9th circle of hell.

Sorry, I had to fix this.

 

[bpm195]

Inspired by this thread I just spent way too much time looking at COD vidoes. One of things is that quickscoping is way more overpowered on console than on PC. The big difference is how on console the console it seems to be a lot more consistent thanks to sticky aim. On the PC version quick scoping is the same technique as other games where you scope and 9 times out of 10 have to adjust slightly, except in other games you have to aim for the head. Still seems overpowered and game breaking.

I don't know if the CoD devs ever played CounterStrike, but they don't seem to realize that one shot kills on a body shot are a complete game changer. There's little reason to use any thing other than a Sniper rifle at any range when in the time it takes to fire 2 assault rifle shots that won't kill anybody you can fire 1 fatal body shot with a sniper rifle.

I really do like the CoD games single player, but everything I've seen and heard about the multiplayer leaves me clueless as to why people like it. Either that or the majority of people playing it all the things I hate.

 

[Snotnarok]

I refuse to call it "hardscoping" and wish to bludgeon to death anyone that does...
It's called "using a sniper rifle for its intended purpose", not "hardscoping"...
It annoys me that someone went as far as to make up a name for "sniping" that isn't sniping...
Because now when someone says "I'm a sniper", they immediately get asked if they're a quickscoper afterward.
"No dickhead, I'm a sniper!"

Quite so this.

Also I'm tired of using a shotgun, a gun that's supposed to be unsurpasssed at short range and a sniper out doing me because for some reason their bullets kill in 1 hit at all ranges.

Why don't I just pry off the scope and use THAT if I have to be limited to just SHORT range with my gun and half the time(bad company 2) they somehow survive point blank shot to the back of the head and turn around ...AND SNIPE ME AT POINT BLANK RANGE.

I'm tired of sniper rifles out doing every gun at that guns 1 and only golden zone, quickscoping takes no skill it's EASY, and it's also bullshit.

 

[Sion_Barzahd]

There should be no "quickscoping" with a sniper rifle. Ever.

 

[Canid117]

Quickscopers, what exactly is your problem with Hardscoping?

Usually its because they're stupid.

 

[klasbo]

In fact, what I do is very very close to quickscoping: taking about half a second to aim before I pull the trigger, and then taking cover if I miss and trying again. Most of the time it is a very sucessful tactic.

If it works, it works. If you can do something that works better, do that instead (whatever that is).

You, they, everybody involved: you are all incredibly mad. It's just a game, and both are legitimate strategies.

Thank you.
This is the RTS mentality: find the most overpowered strategies and tactics, then use and abuse them until they get patched. Give yourself the biggest advantage possible, at all times.
You don't play to lose, do you?

 

[jrubal1462]

I cannot STAND quickscoping... it doesn't take "skill", it just shows one's mastery of exploiting an irritating loophole as opposed to learning how to think and play the damn game like a member of a team. Treyarch had the right idea nerfing it for Blops, but fell victim to the massive tidalwave of tears from whiney 12-year-olds...

What do you mean "they nerfed it and un-nerfed it?" How did the nerf it in the first place? The only applicable thing I saw is in the benefits of sleight o' hand pro, the ADS speed is NOT increased for scoped weapons. I saw this and wondered if this was the key to quick-scoping, and now maybe the practice would be gone forever. Was there more to the nerf than this limit on sleight of hand, or was the limit removed and nobody told me?

 

[hilarius117]

Ive never been good with snipers, although i do like them. I ussually forgo "quickscoping" for the acog. I find it much more efficient for my play style. i play play on hardcore most of the time, so using a "sniper" with acog works for most ranges. I still have problems in close range, where an assault rifle can spray a bit, but i still like the tactics of long range, single shot weapons.

 

[Soods]

Imo the normal assault rifle should kill people with one shot too.

 

[klasbo]

What do you mean "they nerfed it and un-nerfed [snipers in Black Ops]?"

They added random deviation for about a second after you scoped, so that you had to scope, wait, then shoot (or suffer massive accuracy penalties).

You don't play to lose, do you?

That's what keeps me away from online gaming. That mentality.

Well, you don't get far in tournaments without it... I know I'm in a tiny minority here, though.

You know what, I'd suggest you try online gaming again. Find a team-based game (not CoD, for obvious reasons), and gather around with a few friends, all on the same team. Working together with people you already know will make it easier to learn how to work together with people you don't know, and eventually you'll have a skillset that lets you successfully lead random teammates. Being that leader type [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_286/8463-The-12-Year-Old-English-Kid-Who-Carried-Us-to-Victory] is immensely satisfying.
The most overpowered strategy is knowing how to work together. No amount of quick-scopers can stop you then.

 

[TroutXTRM]

I don't get this "Snipers are meant to be used from range!!" argument at all.

It's pretty clear this is thought by people because it is how they perceive sniper rifles to be used in real life.

In other words, trying to balance a twitch-based FPS with one-shotting ballistic knives and tomahawks, shotguns with a range of about 10 feet and people who can see claymores through walls, based on realism.

So if we're going to apply this realism to sniper rifles (not like the pathetic ranges they get to be used in CoD maps is realistic in the first place), why not apply it to assault rifles aswell?

Did you know that many assault rifles are not even capable of being fired on full auto because it is so rarely used? If you fire something like an AK-47 in real life on full auto you will go through the entire clip in about 2 seconds (literally).

The average soldier only has enough ammunition so that he could only actually fire for about 6 seconds if he fired on full auto.

So why arn't all you people bitching about assault rifles "Not being used in the propper way"? Or shotguns having piss-poor range?

Because you only use the realism argument when it suits you. And it suits you here because you see people doing something genuinely difficult and skillful, rather than just spraying away with an assault rifle like a spastic, and you get jealous because you know you can't do it.