A rant on PC fanboyism
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I'm a PC gamer and for me it comes down to an interface preference, I prefer a keyboard+mouse, Some people think their preference extends beyond just being an opinion. There's nothing to be done about it, people are entitled dicks
As if they don't already do that. I don't know about these forums, but generally PC gamers are usually the victims, not the other way around.Racecarlock said:
And what is this "PCification" thing you speak of? I have never heard of such thing. Can you name a recent game that has been PCificated, please?
A lot of it is misplaced anger, certainly. I'm a PC gamer, and I have big problems with the increased emphasis on console gaming. You are right to blame the developers, and people are wrong to blame fellow gamers, but try to understand where a lot of us are coming from. So few games are developed for the PC any more, and we get a lot of shitty ports. This year you can point to about 3 games which are actually designed for PC, Portal 2, Battlefield 3 and the Witcher 2. We constantly hear bullshit excuses from the developers, like piracy is only a PC problem, and people just get frustrated.
I read the disclaimer. I was merely offering my point of view, explaining that the PC gamers that do have a problem with console gamers for whatever reason are in a minority.Racecarlock said:
I didn't realise that responding to your rant while not being a direct target of it was a problem.
"console gamers were constantly blaming PC gamers for more complicated games or the PCification of console games "
This doesn't happen. It doesn't make sense for it to happen.
I don't blame Console gamers for the dumbing down of PC games. I blame the developer.
HOWEVER.
It is, after all, the Console gamers who are funding it, and Devs will do whatever gets them funding. If half of all the console gamers switched over to PC gaming, the so-called "dumbing down" of PC games would not be taking place.
To tell the truth though, this is not a recent development. It has been happening for a looong time. The PC game market always appears to be dying, and people are looking for a scapegoat.
This doesn't happen. It doesn't make sense for it to happen.
I don't blame Console gamers for the dumbing down of PC games. I blame the developer.
HOWEVER.
It is, after all, the Console gamers who are funding it, and Devs will do whatever gets them funding. If half of all the console gamers switched over to PC gaming, the so-called "dumbing down" of PC games would not be taking place.
To tell the truth though, this is not a recent development. It has been happening for a looong time. The PC game market always appears to be dying, and people are looking for a scapegoat.
To those responding to the "PCification" thing, I was just using a hypothetical situation. No need to call me out on that.
To be honest, I'm tired of hearing that I'm an elitist prick for using a PC to play games with, so it goes both ways.
Really, you should wish for the death of fanboyism in general.
Really, you should wish for the death of fanboyism in general.
(Just for reference, I'm mostly a PC gamer who plays console exclusives with PS3)
What it comes down to: people are raging assholes. It's not just PC gamers, nor just console gamers. It's not any specific group that does this to be honest, since every group has a concentration of self-entitled assholes. This site is very heavy on the PC side, but if it weren't we'd be seeing an equal amount of "Lol PC sux. 360 is best herp derp!" -type of people.
What it comes down to is that you should take them for what they are: immature pricks. And to argue with an immature prick is pretty much a fruitless act. Just ignore them and focus on talking with people with more than two brain cells clanging to each other.
What it comes down to: people are raging assholes. It's not just PC gamers, nor just console gamers. It's not any specific group that does this to be honest, since every group has a concentration of self-entitled assholes. This site is very heavy on the PC side, but if it weren't we'd be seeing an equal amount of "Lol PC sux. 360 is best herp derp!" -type of people.
What it comes down to is that you should take them for what they are: immature pricks. And to argue with an immature prick is pretty much a fruitless act. Just ignore them and focus on talking with people with more than two brain cells clanging to each other.
yeah, i have never seen this. also, the reason a lot of the elitism is held, is because PC gamers are declining in numbers. not hugely, but enough to effect developers choices when making games. see, it's not so much that there is hate for console gamers, there is hate for lazy ass developers who don't bother to make a proper PC version of the game, they literally just port it onto the PC with a lack of customisable controls, or enough settings that PC gamers like to use to get a decent experience out of the game.Fenix7 said:
also, this thread is made every week. right now i'm more pissed off with the fact that it is made every week.
I just think "console gamers" is a little bit too broad of a term, as there are millions. Maybe if you were to blame "frat boy gamers" or "dumb gamers" or even "Instant gratification gamers", the argument would make more sense, because the target is more narrow. I, for one, have never bought a call of duty game and never will. But I still feel like someone is pointing a finger at me. See where i'm coming from?zehydra said:
And there's your answer. Also, people like to think that whatever platform they've used their money on (especially if they can only have one) is superior to the others because they chose it and they clearly have magical choosing abilities.Busdriver580 said:
HYPOTHETICAL. SITUATION. Please read more than 5 posts before you comment. This was nothing more than a hypothetical situation. And wouldn't you hate it if we did that?suitepee7 said:
I'm kind of in agreement with you OP. I am a long time PC gamer, and I find the relentless bashing of consoles absurd. Anyone who wants to see why the console market is so large and so popular simply has to get a complete computer neophyte to try and design a gaming grade PC. When they're done, it'll likely cost a couple of thousand dollars (AUD) and will have taken literal MONTHS of research. For my last upgrade I researched for a fortnight on and off to understand the stuff. A far too complex and expensive platform will not attract mainstream consumers.
Without mainstream consumers, publishers make less, and developers will end up making more console games. But this is the fault of the PC, and not the console. That's like blaming Homo Sapien for being superior to the Neanderthal. Whilst some, including me, like the insular community and complexity of the system, I can't help but acknowledge we reap what we sow.
But console players should take note: long time gamers will feel a sense of entitlement and priviledge. We stuck with the hobby, some of us were derided for it. And the next time some testosterone overdosing jock joins my Counter-Strike game straight out of Call of Duty and Halo and calls me a nerd I will be annoyed. Show respect. Of course PC gamers are pissed off. So let them be, and be quiet, whatever you say will be disregarded.
Also: Fanboy is a derogative term, used to indicate an illogical and irrational person with an obsession over something. Don't use it to describe PC enthusiasts, especially on a gaming forum.
Without mainstream consumers, publishers make less, and developers will end up making more console games. But this is the fault of the PC, and not the console. That's like blaming Homo Sapien for being superior to the Neanderthal. Whilst some, including me, like the insular community and complexity of the system, I can't help but acknowledge we reap what we sow.
But console players should take note: long time gamers will feel a sense of entitlement and priviledge. We stuck with the hobby, some of us were derided for it. And the next time some testosterone overdosing jock joins my Counter-Strike game straight out of Call of Duty and Halo and calls me a nerd I will be annoyed. Show respect. Of course PC gamers are pissed off. So let them be, and be quiet, whatever you say will be disregarded.
Also: Fanboy is a derogative term, used to indicate an illogical and irrational person with an obsession over something. Don't use it to describe PC enthusiasts, especially on a gaming forum.
I do. Every day. The unfortunate truth is that i'll never stop all fanboyism. But by god, I can stop it from happening on specific forums and by god I will.Booze Zombie said:
Personally, I don't understand why people would complain that a game has complexity.
Also, the kind of people who throw around "PC elitist" are trying to point out a smug sense of superiority, but in saying so they come off as being just as smug, self righteous and give off a sense of superiority as those they attempt to label.
There is one guy on this forum, wont mention his name, but the moment a PC related thread pops up, he jumps all over it to rant about how much he hates PC gamers because he feels the need to spout off hate, even if the discussion has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. Those are the kind of people I speak of.
Edit: Coincidentally, that person has posted. Can you guess who?
Also, the kind of people who throw around "PC elitist" are trying to point out a smug sense of superiority, but in saying so they come off as being just as smug, self righteous and give off a sense of superiority as those they attempt to label.
There is one guy on this forum, wont mention his name, but the moment a PC related thread pops up, he jumps all over it to rant about how much he hates PC gamers because he feels the need to spout off hate, even if the discussion has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. Those are the kind of people I speak of.
Edit: Coincidentally, that person has posted. Can you guess who?
/sigh. This. Again. Really, Racecarlock, this isn't helping anyway. Just makes both sides look bad.
Or, alternately, if ignoring it is too difficult, you could try getting a thicker skin and realizing that video games, contrary to what you may believe, aren't serious business (with regard to the gamers, anyway).
Frankly, everyone just needs to grow the hell up, stop waving around their e-peens and/or crying about people waving around their e-peens, and enjoy the freakin' games. That's kinda the whole point of games as an entertainment media. Sooner we as a community of gamers can do that, because regardless of your platform preference, we are all still gamers, the better off we'll all be.
And for the record, I've been both a PC and console gamer, simultaneously, going on twenty years now.
Yeah. You can. By ignoring the elitist assholes. It's not like this is even exclusive to PC vs. Console. I worked at an electronics store, and I saw in-fighting of sorts between even the console gamers trying to one-up each other over which console is actually better.Racecarlock said:
Or, alternately, if ignoring it is too difficult, you could try getting a thicker skin and realizing that video games, contrary to what you may believe, aren't serious business (with regard to the gamers, anyway).
Frankly, everyone just needs to grow the hell up, stop waving around their e-peens and/or crying about people waving around their e-peens, and enjoy the freakin' games. That's kinda the whole point of games as an entertainment media. Sooner we as a community of gamers can do that, because regardless of your platform preference, we are all still gamers, the better off we'll all be.
And for the record, I've been both a PC and console gamer, simultaneously, going on twenty years now.
I never called all PC enthusiasts nerds or fanboys. I even put in a disclaimer. I hate those jock types too, but they should be called jock types. Not general console gamers. Read the damn disclaimer people, it's why I put one in.Loonyyy said: