A Response to Extra Credits "Learning from Other M."

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DocBalance

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Fair warning folks, this is gonna get long.

I've been thinking about all this Other:M Business for awhile now, and today's Extra Credits episode really re-kindled a lot of those thoughts, mainly the ideas of characterization. I've heard this from just about every corner of the Internet, how everything Other: M did was contrary to what we know about Samus. I contest this: It's contrary to everything we THOUGHT we knew about Samus. I'm approach this from a different angle then most, though. I don't think Samus was a complete Tabula Rasa, but rather I think we were given hints and surface clues to who Samus is, and we supplied our own assumptions as to her motives and emotions. I'm going to breakdown a few key elements of discontent from the game, the first being Samus's reaction to Ridley.

Many have complained about how Samus freaks out and becomes helpless in the presence of Ridley at his return. I think this deserves some context though: Ridley murdered her entire planet. Yes, I realize she's killed him a dozen times by now, and I think that's the point: She's killed him in the original game, and he had to come back as a robot for most of his tenure through the other games. But now? Here he is, fully-formed and back to normal, as if nothing happened. She accomplished nothing. The monster that she's killed a thousand and one times is not the slightest bit phased by her attempts, no matter what she does. To me, that would be-speak a certain inevitability: Your enemy always returns, no matter how many times you kill him. Someday, he will kill you. This is getting later in the series, right after Samus's encounters with Dark Samus, whom she narrowly defeats, and further back Mother Brain, whom she only defeated because of help from something she was supposed to be trying to kill. Samus lives in a world where everything that's against her is inherently stronger than she is, but she perseveres in the knowledge that she's always toppled her greatest foe, that she always leaves him with scars to pay for everything he did. But when Ridley appears in Other: M, the game has changed. He is as good as new, maybe better, and that's terrifying to her.

I don't think it would be terribly remiss to say that Samus has some form of PTSD, considering everything that happened to her. As someone who used to suffer from several psychological disorders including Multiple Personality Disorder, I can personally attest that the only thing more terrifying than the condition itself is the thought of relapsing into it. Whenever I get into a particularly stressful situation and I hear anything that even remotely sounds like a voice that shouldn't be there, I panic. I can barely breathe, and I can't see straight, because the prospect of going back to that hell-hole I used to call my psyche is that scary to me, and I only had a few years of sleep deprivation to blame for it. In Samus's case, she has genocide and years of fighting to be afraid about, and before her is living proof that everything she has done is a waste of time. If for even a second she believed that that made her helpless, that would be enough to trigger the fear of relapse, which in turn would only spike the chance of relapse higher. Thus from a natural, human perspective, everything we see in her encounter with Ridley is perfectly understandable.

But maybe it is how this encounter ends that rubs people the wrong way, with the much hated character Adam coming out to save her, implying that the "little girl" needs a "big, strong man" to save her. Specifically, everyone hates that it's THAT big, strong man who saves her, because he's pretty much a douche. To that, I would agree whole-heartedly, Adam is an asshole. Then why is Samus trusting him and respecting him? Well, again, let's look at her psychological profile and history. Ridley kills her family when she is fairly young, and she's raised by a race that isn't human. Her main male figure for most of her life is Adam. See, I think people mis-understand the undertones of their relationship. I don't think it's meant to be a purely romantic relationship. Rather, Adam struck me as her father figure, or at the very least an older brother. Does she possibly have some romantic feelings for him? Maybe, that's not all-together uncommon in surrogate father-brother relationships of this nature, especially for someone who is as psychologically damaged as Samus. I also don't think Adam reciprocates this relationship with anything more than begrudging acknowledgement. That's not to say it's a good relationship, but I think that Team Ninja's background has led some people to skew the relationship dynamic: We envision an abusive boyfriend when we see Adam, but he's real more an abusive/absentee father.

There also seems to be a consensus that everyone assumes that this relationship is supposed to be laudable or good because Samus says so. Why? I think Other: M is playing the unreliable narrator card on the sly, and no one caught them. We take everything that comes from Samus as the opinion of the creators, but that's simply not the case in my opinion. Rather, I think that due to Samus's stunted development and fractured childhood, she is drawn to abusive relationships and danger. I think, in the back of her mind, she thinks she deserves all of it. It's classic survivor's guilt. To me, that would explain why she pursues the Space Pirates so vehemently. It's more than revenge to her, it's a no-lose situation. If she kills them all, her people rest in peace. If she dies, then she gets the fate she always feels she really deserved. There's an inherent clash there, though: She's trained to kill, and the whole point of her surviving was to do just that. Yet she wants to die. Instinct vs. Desire, a conflict that is very confusing to the human body because it's incredibly rare. I would call that another factor in her reaction to Ridley, but deeper still it explains her relationship with Adam. She knows, deep down, that he's abusive and dismissive of her, but she secretly feels like she deserves it, so he's the perfect man to her.

This explains the final and most often cited example of Other: M's failure, the Varia Suit encounter. It's been said that there is no reason Samus would risk her life to obey a stupid order from someone who isn't even really her direct superior anymore, and if it were isolated to just that, they'd be correct. But when you combine the surrogate father figure effect with that survivor's guilt, you get a perfect storm where keeping the suit off is the ONLY possible outcome. It's a sequence where she will die in the line of duty, following direct orders, so it is complete justifiable and almost certainly fatal. It also involves the one person she would take said orders from, so there is no point in refusing. Now, if Samus had turned on the suit? That would have been incredibly out of character.

It's funny that we hold Samus up on this pedestal of strong, well characterized female protagonists. We call Other: M exploitative, but we forget how we first found out Samus was a woman in Metroid: She did a little strip-tease for us at the end of the game by taking off her armor and showing us her leotard. Face it everyone, the reason games like Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball exist is because of sequences like that. Samus was exploited in her very first outing, and to depths much lower than the ones in Other: M. In the end, we've let our Nostalgia blind us on this one. Was Other: M a great game? No. Did the story work? Not at all. But that wasn't because of Samus's characterization. I can agree with the EC crew that every other character needed to be developed, and that over-all the game was terribly compelling to me outside of giving me enough material to finally finish my psych profile on Samus(I like profiling my characters, okay? It's entertaining). That doesn't change the fact that all the rage against Samus's actions and relationships isn't justified.

In the end, Other: M is a passable game that gives us valuable information about Samus. We don't like that information, but it's truth. It's a hell of a lot more plausible than the opposing characterization I've heard from Other: M's detractors, and far more human. I think the biggest lesson we can learn from Other: M is that sometimes, our characters aren't as unshakable or heroic as we'd like to think, and that's a reality we're going to have to live with if this medium is ever going to advance. Sometimes the good guys really are just flawed people with good reasons and strong resolve, but most of the time every good guy is one breakdown from becoming a victim. It's the acknowledgement of that fact that prepares us to deal with it and prevent that breakdown from coming, rather than ignore it and pretend we're bullet-proof. Just my two cents, though, and I welcome any further thoughts/debate.
 

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Okay, one thing about the abusive father thing: that's complete bullshit. How can I say this? Because I had abusive father. Yup, I saw it with my own eyes, I felt it with my own body, and it is NOT something Other M does, not in the least.

My father is a complete BASTARD of a man. He beat the hell out of me, my brothers, AND MY OWN FUCKING MOTHER who was far smaller than him. The only reason I didn't fight back because it was physically impossible. I know what it's like to have try and find approval from a man who is a conniving, insecure hypocrite who has to abuse other people emotionally and physically in order to make himself feel big and puts impossible standards on his children, standards he couldn't live up to when he was my age. When I turned sixteen and didn't have to legally see him anymore I did so without turning back and I haven't seen him since. It sucks that I the short straw of who I had to call a father and I don't try to be a drama queen about it, but when someone mentions "abusive father" to something that doesn't deserve it, I feel offended and sickened by it. Adam's fine by me, he doesn't treat Samus like trash and he merely does what is required of him as a commander.

Other than that, your argument is...okay.
 

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Aiddon said:
Okay, one thing about the abusive father thing: that's complete bullshit. How can I say this? Because I had abusive father. Yup, I saw it with my own eyes, I felt it with my own body, and it is NOT something Other M does, not in the least.

My father is a complete BASTARD of a man. He beat the hell out of me, my brothers, AND MY OWN FUCKING MOTHER who was far smaller than him. The only reason I didn't fight back because it was physically impossible. I know what it's like to have try and find approval from a man who is a conniving, insecure hypocrite who has to abuse other people emotionally and physically in order to make himself feel big and puts impossible standards on his children, standards he couldn't live up to when he was my age. When I turned sixteen and didn't have to legally see him anymore I did so without turning back and I haven't seen him since. It sucks that I the short straw of who I had to call a father and I don't try to be a drama queen about it, but when someone mentions "abusive father" to something that doesn't deserve it, I feel offended and sickened by it. Adam's fine by me, he doesn't treat Samus like trash and he merely does what is required of him as a commander.

Other than that, your argument is...okay.
First off, I am sorry for what you experienced. But there are dozens of different types of abuse, and only one of them requires someone to physically lay their hands on you. Adam isn't primarily physically abusive, rather he's abusive by the nature that he abuses the trust and respect that Samus mistakenly gave him. Physically abusive people abuse to gain compliance that they don't think they have. Verbally and mentally abusive people twist compliance that is already there for their own gain or amusement, and Adam falls squarely into the latter category.

It's important to note though that Adam doesn't place himself in that role. He isn't someone who thinks about abuse and acts upon those thoughts, rather he sees the abuse as normal conduct because no-one questions him on it. In his eyes, he isn't abusing Samus, he's using a tool to his advantage. Rather, the abusive father label comes from Samus, who subconsciously wants the abuse and clings to it.
 

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This is going to be good

On the subject of characters, Samus is unlikable because the voice acting is so dreadful. TES IV fell short because of this.
 

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Sebster 105 said:
This is going to be good

On the subject of characters, Samus is unlikable because the voice acting is so dreadful. TES IV fell short because of this.
That I can definitely concede, the voice acting was abysmal and it took away from the experience for me.
 

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But... But...!

She took orders from a man! Rabble rabble rabble!

/joking

Yeah, I fall into the MovieBob camp of Other M. While I don't disagree that her portrayal was not good, it wasn't the fucking betrayal that almost everyone said it was.

I rolled my eyes when I saw the title of the new Extra Credits. This would have been topical and noteworthy September of last year, but now it's just plain silly. Using it as a throw-away example mid-video is fine, but basing an entire episode around it? Like it hasn't already been analysed to death?
 

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No. I'm aware of there being types of abuse and I HAVE experienced them, I said so in the previous post. He didn't just smack me around. He also tended to verbally and mentally abuse me, my mother, and my two older brothers. The last time I ever saw him he laid into me due to my effeminate appearance from my long hair, fair skin, and long nails. HE called me a cocksucker and a fag.And for awhile I DID cling to trying to get his approval because it was what I knew and he DID use that to manipulate me and my brothers.

And guess what: I don't see that in Adam. He never ONCE engages in abusive behavior. And I'm not the only one who has experienced abuse who has called other people out on this kind of accusation:

http://katt120.deviantart.com/#/d34y34q

You don't like Adam, fine, but exploiting a real-life problem in order to demonize someone is LOW. And this is what I have to say to those accusations once again: they're bullshit. Good day, from someone who knows what abuse is
 

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If you want to interpret the game in that way then there's nothing stopping you from doing so, I highly doubt the writers were actually working on that level but there's nothing stopping it being possible.
 

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This is too long, but your argument structure seems to be:
1) Samus was not a blank slate, but she was a blank enough slate that you could plausibly develop the character that clashed with most people's expectations.
2) Therefore, if the character was developed in a way that is totally irritating and lame, then that's fine.

Whatever dude. Maybe out disagreement stems from the very beginning; you think the gender reveal at the end of Metroid was a "striptease?" For real? I didn't think the point was titillation; I thought the point was to make people go, "Holy #%@*! This total bad ass I've been straining to relate to is not a guy! Whoa!"

By the way, Batman's parents were killed at a relatively young age, and his character still turned out cool enough that people have been following him for decades. And while I'm sorry about your own personal issues, people don't play games because they want to be like you. People play games because they want to be like Samus...or at least, they used to.
 

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Aiddon said:
No. I'm aware of there being types of abuse and I HAVE experienced them, I said so in the previous post. He didn't just smack me around. He also tended to verbally and mentally abuse me, my mother, and my two older brothers. The last time I ever saw him he laid into me due to my effeminate appearance from my long hair, fair skin, and long nails. HE called me a cocksucker and a fag.And for awhile I DID cling to trying to get his approval because it was what I knew and he DID use that to manipulate me and my brothers.

And guess what: I don't see that in Adam. He never ONCE engages in abusive behavior. And I'm not the only one who has experienced abuse who has called other people out on this kind of accusation:

http://katt120.deviantart.com/#/d34y34q

You don't like Adam, fine, but exploiting a real-life problem in order to demonize someone is LOW. And this is what I have to say to those accusations once again: they're bullshit. Good day, from someone who knows what abuse is
Mate, he forces her to run through a fiery cave without any protection when all she has to do is flip a switch to save herself. He is constantly dismissive, demeaning, and cold to her. If the second isn't abusive, the first clearly is.

I've experienced abuse as well, though not from a parental position. Abuse doesn't have to be active, just like murder doesn't have to be active. If you, by inaction, allow someone to die when you could have saved them, you still killed them, and if you willfully allow someone to experience pain and agony when just a single word would allow them to be spared with no consequences, then you have become the very definition of a cold-hearted, abusive bastard. Adam is that bastard. I know people just like that character in real life, and the fact that they get away with the shit they pull? That's what's truly low. These people wreck more lives than you can count, and they nearly ruined mine, so while I don't mean to disrespect what you went through, you don't have a snow-ball's chance in hell of convincing me that the above behavior is not abusive.
 

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Sebster 105 said:
This is going to be good

On the subject of characters, Samus is unlikable because the voice acting is so dreadful. TES IV fell short because of this.
I'd dare say it may not have been her fault if she was told to act the most cold and emotionless way possible. You can have the best voice actor in the world, but if you are so restricted in how you can use your talent, the product will still be lacking.
 

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You draw the line between what we THINK we know and what we do know.
Let me tell you something that is undeniable from the original games-- pre other M:
Samus. Is. Badass.
She is capable of annihilating any living being that crosses her path. This we know.

The Samus from other M however bent over and took one up the arse from anyone within fifty meters with a Y chromosome. These two things are indisputably incompatible with each other. Fuck Other M right up its Other Hole.
 

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While your wall of text sounds somewhat plausible in context of your perspective of it, I played the game through and through and came out with a much more morbid and unsettling conclusion in regards to Adam and Samus that just rubbed me the wrong way too much, so there will be very little convincing me that Other M deserves anything more than blatant dismissal by any Metroid fan that has a positive conscience and sees Samus as the independent, positive female hero of the series she has always been regarded as. To see her as anything less than such, to see her as a grovelling angst ridden character with horrible self-esteem issues and a desire to submit to authority abuse without a word when she can annihilate entire populations of enemies with only herself to rely on in the end.. is just not happening.
 

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Razhem said:
Sebster 105 said:
This is going to be good

On the subject of characters, Samus is unlikable because the voice acting is so dreadful. TES IV fell short because of this.
I'd dare say it may not have been her fault if she was told to act the most cold and emotionless way possible. You can have the best voice actor in the world, but if you are so restricted in how you can use your talent, the product will still be lacking.
She spoke in a monotone. They could've avioded that.

Samus has daddy issues, don't you think she'd speak... differently?

Edit: I realised I had written "he spoke in a monotone"
sorry for confusion.
 

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I have to say that I agree with most of what you're saying. This is the humanized character of Samus that we see and it told through everything. It doesn't help that EVERYONE seems to have forgotten that Ridley and the Space Pirates killed her parents in front of her eyes and then she was raised by an overly advanced pacifist race as a killing machine.

The reason I love Other M so much is because the psychological damage finally begins to show, and suddenly Samus is much more human.

It's just executed it the most horrific way ever...

Starting with your point about Rid, This is pretty much true, all of it, but it's in no way, shape or form shown to us in the game, not even via the cutscene. I don't know about anyone else, but I never got the feeling of "You'll never be rid of me!" at all during Ridley's role in Other M.

That being said, this is why I feel that Samus' reaction is moreso out of place. Having already dealt with Ridley in the past, she can suppress those feelings of terror that she once had (not to mention conquering them every time she sends him into a pit or blows the fuck out of him) This is the reason why (in my firm belief) that if Other M were a prequel either metroid 1 or even 2, such a scene would be much more appropriate.

Point 2: Adam, the father figure. Abusive? No, loyal? Abso-fucking-lutely. Who is he loyal to? The federation. This is shown within the game many times, most powerful being when he allows Ian to die in the falling civilian craft. It gave a much stronger impression of "The mission must come first." hence also his sacrifice. The problem with Adam's character is that we don't learn enough about him to justify Samus' feelings for his sacrifice and this is where Adam falls short. For someone working with the Metroid series, or for someone who follows the story (THE ACTUAL METROID STORY, NOT THE WHOLE "BLANK SLATE" CRAP, yeah it'll have more of an impact, but Adam was barely mentioned, only a bit through Fusion. I could get a little deeper into that, but I won't. (Why is the computer named after him, what was it designed so heartless etc.)

Saying that Samus had no father figure is approx 90% true. Samus was raised by the Chozo, but more specifically, the Chozo elder whom she names "Old Bird". Not a father figure, but definitely a grandfather figure. During this time there's a huge explosion of "ruining childhood innocence" and "becoming of age" or "growing up" not long after which Samus leaves the Chozo and joins up with the Federation.

Here's where Malkovich comes in. It's well established as a father figure, supirior officer - father figure, elite soldier - mentor, and singling out Samus as a female federation marine, rather than someone with a desk job (not trying to be sexist, just an observation) by calling her "Lady" It's said in both Other M and Fusion that this was out of RESPECT.

Besides what's stated above, that's all we really know about Adam. Surrogate father to Samus, mostly in Samus' eyes, he respects her, and the mission comes first (seen through "don't blow us all up by using power bombs" and sacrificing his brother) Because of this, and his ordering around of Samus in Other M, is why he comes off as a prick that no one cares about.

Small little opinion on the weapon restriction since it's been done to death: Adam was in the right in restricting superior weapon systems for safety and not comprising the ship's hull integrity, but safety equipment made no sense. It's a metroid thing, to make you run through fire before getting Varia use, I assume they did it out of tradition.

one final thing I want to bring up is the "com chatter" option that EC mentioned in today's episode. While I admit that monologue is justified in Metroid (It's not the first time, get over it people!!) I think that SOME (some being little) com chatter might have helped flesh out Adam (specifically) as a character (seeing as how at this point we should ALL know about Samus) but because of her introverted nature (she's a loner, and monologues [pre Other M evidence, play Fusion and any of the Primes]) speaking to herself, or making a small personal log in the elevator wouldn't be uncommon or even strange for Samus to do.
 

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Shadowsafter said:
You draw the line between what we THINK we know and what we do know.
Let me tell you something that is undeniable from the original games-- pre other M:
Samus. Is. Badass.
She is capable of annihilating any living being that crosses her path. This we know.

The Samus from other M however bent over and took one up the arse from anyone within fifty meters with a Y chromosome. These two things are indisputably incompatible with each other. Fuck Other M right up its Other Hole.
No, Samus APPEARS bad-ass.

Let me pose to you this question: Is Iron Man a bad-ass? That's a rhetorical question, since the only answer is "Hell Yes!" Dude flies a metal suit around, shoots lazers, blows up terrorists and any other thing that gets in his way, and has slept with every woman who is at least a 6 out of 10 on the planet. The dude is what testosterone wants to be when it grows up.

Then you look below the surface: He's an alcoholic, slowly recovering. He has constant nightmares about the technology he's created, and about the things he's done. He is scared out of his mind that one day everything is going to catch up with him, and he's going to die, or worse, he's going to be responsible for the deaths of millions of other people. Because of this, there are nights where he has nothing but sat up alone with his thoughts, terrified of the repercussions of his reality. He also has major daddy issues with his dismissive father that he never worked out when he was alive and he lives in constant regret that they didn't have a closer relationship.

In short? If you subtract part A and leave only part B, a lot of people would call him a coward. That's what you just done with Samus though, because you ignore the hundreds of Aliens she slaughters with impunity throughout Other: M. She balks at one who murdered an entire planet and is submissive to one man, and suddenly her whole character is a whiny, cowardly *****? The logic there doesn't add up. The issues are much deeper than, "they turned her into a coward".
 

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I contest this: It's contrary to everything we THOUGHT we knew about Samus.
Wrong.
For the release of, IIRC, Zero Mission, Nintendo created a (rather long) comic book//manga//whateveryouwannacallit that gave a LOT of insight on her past before that first mission in Zebes. And Samus speaks. And by the time the Chozo are done with her, she's strong, decided, protector of the weak, friend of her friends but favouring solo or small team ops, pretty much all we expected her to be during all those years of silence.

Unfortunately, the comic didn't ever make it outside of Japan, so it's not very widely known in the western world (which seems like 10 different kinds of stupid to me, considering she's a LOT more famous outside of Japan)

TL;DR: There IS knowledge of her personality. Other M is contrary to what we DO know of Samus.


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Ridley part, snipped for obvious reasons
No.
Not only has she faced worse than Ridley, she is TRAINED specifically for this: for killing space pirates. And of course, Ridley is her ever-persistent quarry. Not for her planet. But for her parents, which Ridley murdered in her face.
It is possible Samus may have some kind of unhealthy fixation on Ridley, but if that's the case, it'd be more of a "I'M GOING TO BLAST YOUR GUTS OUT OF YOU THEN SPREAD THEM FROM HERE TO NEXT STAR SYSTEM, YOU MO***R F****R". We're not taking about a helpless child, we're talking about a woman that blows up planets for a living that's basically canned in an overpowered suit of IMUNNAKILUALL.

Also, she accomplishes nothing? You mean, like, thwart Ridley's operations time and again, to the point of making the space pirates shitting-their-pants scared of her, to the point of nicknaming her "the hunter"?

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Adam is an asshole. Then why is Samus trusting him and respecting him?
He shows up in the comic as well. Nice guy (in the comic), can see them becoming friends, but he's a bit too obsessed/concerned with the chain of command.

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The part about her wanting to die. Jesus F Christ, did I just read that? *facepalm*
They didn't train her to kill. They trained her to PROTECT. To be the greatest child of the Chozo, to carry their wish of protecting the galaxy in their absence once they became extinct. To become their legacy.
She wasn't specifically meant to kill space pirates. She was trained to protect the weak and helpless.

Murdering space pirates is just a bonus on the side.

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The Varia stuff
Comic, once again, where she doesn't think twice about showing up to some sort of military graduation ceremony, helmed by Adam, in her combat suit to shoot down an attacker right in Adam's face. Which, by the way, she does on her own volition.


TheMaddestHatter said:
In the end, Other: M is a passable game that gives us valuable information about Samus. We don't like that information, but it's truth.
No. It's a horribly flawed game (story wise) that was put in the hands of the wrong game studio, that contradicts what was already established about Samus' character,and I really wouldn't put it past Nintendo to retcon it away as if it never happened, because even they admit that it was a huge mistake.
 

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Sebster 105 said:
Razhem said:
Sebster 105 said:
This is going to be good

On the subject of characters, Samus is unlikable because the voice acting is so dreadful. TES IV fell short because of this.
I'd dare say it may not have been her fault if she was told to act the most cold and emotionless way possible. You can have the best voice actor in the world, but if you are so restricted in how you can use your talent, the product will still be lacking.
He spoke in a monotone. They could've avioded that.

Samus has daddy issues, don't you think she'd speak... differently?
Oh no doubt, just saying that it may have not been the voice actress fault since she may have had very strict guidelines of how they wanted Samus to sound (monotone idiot)
 

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Razhem said:
Sebster 105 said:
Razhem said:
Sebster 105 said:
This is going to be good

On the subject of characters, Samus is unlikable because the voice acting is so dreadful. TES IV fell short because of this.
I'd dare say it may not have been her fault if she was told to act the most cold and emotionless way possible. You can have the best voice actor in the world, but if you are so restricted in how you can use your talent, the product will still be lacking.
He spoke in a monotone. They could've avioded that.

Samus has daddy issues, don't you think she'd speak... differently?
Oh no doubt, just saying that it may have not been the voice actress fault since she may have had very strict guidelines of how they wanted Samus to sound (monotone idiot)
I understand what you mean, that said the writing expresses they want her to have a personality. The voice doesn't express that.
 

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Sebster 105 said:
Razhem said:
Sebster 105 said:
Razhem said:
Sebster 105 said:
This is going to be good

On the subject of characters, Samus is unlikable because the voice acting is so dreadful. TES IV fell short because of this.
I'd dare say it may not have been her fault if she was told to act the most cold and emotionless way possible. You can have the best voice actor in the world, but if you are so restricted in how you can use your talent, the product will still be lacking.
He spoke in a monotone. They could've avioded that.

Samus has daddy issues, don't you think she'd speak... differently?
Oh no doubt, just saying that it may have not been the voice actress fault since she may have had very strict guidelines of how they wanted Samus to sound (monotone idiot)
I understand what you mean, that said the writing expresses they want her to have a personality. The voice doesn't express that.
Well, seeing how amazing the writing is, I'd just consider it an extra notch in the shit storm and call it a day...