A reversed theory about violent videogames.

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AuntyEthel

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I don't think someone who is psychotic enough to murder people for fun would derive an iota of pleasure out of merely clicking on a 3d modelled character. I've never seen a connection. The difference in actually pulling the trigger/stabbing the knife/pushing in the drill to pressing a button on a controller is so vast that they don't relate in my mind at all.
 

Fronken

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fluffylandmine said:
Magnaflame said:
Yeah, Pong is all about hitting stuff with bats, it's suuuuuuuuper violent.

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[Jack Thompson impression] Pong is a violent, barbaric simulation of two children thowing about a smaller child as if he were a ragdoll! [/jack thompson impression]
Thats actually pretty good ^^, and on topic, the "important" people and the people in charge of the rest of us dont have any need to check their facts, cause there's no pressure on them doing so, they get away with everything just because they make more money than the rest of us.

Violent video games does not cause kids to become more violent, kids/teens who go on shooting sprees and stuff like that dont have a completely functional brain, blaiming video games is just the easy way out cause no one really investigates it, and the "important" people once again get away with this, they are to naive to realise that the reason is a mental abnormality (psycho), which was due to show itself no matter what they did, doesnt matter if a child/teen only studies and goes to church or if he plays violent video games and watches extreme movies, he's gonna snap no matter what, only thing we can do is pray they get caught before they do.
 

Black yeoman

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I have heard suggestion that games are good relief for violence, yes, the stress ball analogy was very apt.
 

WolfLordAndy

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I stand by my personal theory "Games don't make people violent, being bad at them does."

Reason being, the frustration from dieing/losing/lagging/etc often makes normal people annoyed enough to throw a controller, or yell at the tv, so in a somewhat more disturbed person, who knows. They might just go out and beat someone up.

Can't really blame the game for that tho. As they could have just watched a sports match and seen their team lose and do the same.
 

DirkGently

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I can't believe enlightened folks such as ourselves are still discussing this kind of stuff. Haven't there been 9000 topics on the matter already?
 

DYin01

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''The general consensus by everyone important is that violent videogames make people violent, correct?''

No, not correct. When I ask my friends (who are mostly gamers to a certain degree, so I'm biased as can be) they all say the opposite. That the entire violent gaming thing is bollocks.

I actually did research on violent videogames and wether it has effect on people or not for school. I found a lot of scientific tests on the subject. Most of them say that violent games have no direct effect on the player.
Little kids are a different story. They don't become violent. They just mimmick everything they see. It's not like they think violent. 'Monkey see monkey do'.
 

Vladamir69

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i believe that it does neither. i think that it hardens us to the world around us making us completely emotionless to certain situations that would otherwise provoke a feeling. think about it if you took a person from 1950 and showed them god of war they poop their pants. the same could be said if you took a kid who played violent video games and showed him a dead body he wouldn't flinch and the boy who didn't play any games would most likely throw up
 
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I'm going to quote Yahtzee here: "Pressing a button to fire a gun is about as far removed from the workings of an actual gun as my ass is from the dark side of Europa."
 

mark_n_b

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Magnaflame said:
The general consensus by everyone important is that violent videogames make people violent, correct?
That's a bit glib, and effectively it is incorrect. While there is a camp that does believe that, there is also the belief that video games, TV, movies... passive movies violent or not establish unusual physical scenarios that result in aggressive and hyper active behaviour, there is a camp that believes that video games do not alter psychology significantly enough one way or the other (this is the media unfriendly "general consesus" that people rarely think about) and there is a pretty large camp that believes violent people are predisposed to playing violent video games (as you move on to suggest):
It's seems like a sound theory right? Well isn't it much more likely that violent people play violent videogames instead?
It's adorable how you think you're on the cutting edge, the primary issue in the debate over the psychological impact of violent video games is that of causality, are people violent before or after they play violent video games.

Think about it, instead of sating your insane thirst for blood again and leaving more evidence, you play a violent videogame.
And other examples of word combination that make no sense. when did I sate my thirst for blood the first time? And what is this about evidence? Are you saying as a normal person if I committed a violent act I wouldn't play violent video games as they are evidence of my overtly violent nature? That is what I came up with, but that's dumb, so I'm guessing you were trying to say something else.
Killing fake people as a normal person wouldn't make you more aggressive, it doesn't make sense
The thing is it makes perfect sense, it is quite a reasonable assumption to make, and a lot of money and time has been spent checking the veracity of just that claim, so I'm not sure how you can justify it not making sense
but an insane person killing fake people might have thoughts, or ideas, they might want to kill more.
This is a common argument for people who propose game banning and censorship. i.e. Even if it has little impact on average citizens if it impacts and drives those predisposed to violence to violent acts isn't that reason enough to keep these games off the market shelves? Violent media does not provide cathartic release, but it reinforces violent psychology, proven fact, it is the reason child pornography, even cartoon depictions of child pornography, are illegal.

So what side of the fence are you on?

Mull this over, argue, I'll be back.
and that's an entirely inane way to end an OP, don't do that anymore.
 

Avatar Roku

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You should check this out. [http://files.g4tv.com/videoDB/035/792/video35792/go_soapbox_violence_pod.mp4]
 

Hookman

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A good theory but why does everyone seem to forget about the most violent media of all. TV! Switch on the tv at any time of the day,you will always find something violent.
Be it the news,tv shows or films you will find violence...So why does noone blame tv for violence!
 

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by all accounts i should be insane by now. why ive even had my own family tell me i would make a great serial killer (encouragement?) and i play violent video games. weird... im going to blame them for me NOT having killed anybody yet. saying they have the OPPOSITE effect of what the idiots making decisions say they have.
 

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GameDevigner said:
One of the best books on the subject "Grand Theft Childhood" revealed that there is a certain bell-curve of violent behavior when it came to videogames. The two groups that showed the most risk of violent behavior either played violent videogames (almost exclusively) or played little to none.

http://www.grandtheftchildhood.com/GTC/Myths.html
http://kotaku.com/380761/kids-who-dont-play-video-games-are-at-risk
This is me speaking up as to the merits of the book above - the authors came to my campus to present their results and have a Q & A, and it strains the mind wondering why their conclusions aren't accepted as common sense.
 

Reborious

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Playing violent games is far different from life. I remember reading that it's been proven that individual draw a very clear line between reality and virtuality.

Although, as we move closer to full game realism, I'm wondering if GTA7 will have us standing in a VR chamber, awinging our arms to beat a prostitute for our money back...

That would be bad.