I hated FF10 with a passion, but I kinda liked FF12. That's probably just because I'm gay for graphics. I agree that Vaan and Penelo could've been cut out entirely though, they bored me to no end.
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Different strokes for different folks.
The way I see it is that they could keep churning out what is in effect the same game over and over - same controls, same art direction, same systems - or they could try and do something new with each FF they release.
Sometimes they'll get it just perfect. Other times there'll be issues. I'm one of those older fangirls that adores VI, VII and VIII. Still play them to this day. But given a choice between the way random encounters were handled in say VII (swirly cutaway to the battle screen) and how it was done in XII (exploring and fighting all done on the same screen) then I'd go with the newer one. It's an improvement. But like I said, they don't always get it right; the magic system in VIII was bobbins compared to the Materia in VII.
But you don't gain a better game unless you at least try and experiment. Whilst I might not like everything they've put in the games over the years, I do appreciate the fact that they've tried to innovate.
The way I see it is that they could keep churning out what is in effect the same game over and over - same controls, same art direction, same systems - or they could try and do something new with each FF they release.
Sometimes they'll get it just perfect. Other times there'll be issues. I'm one of those older fangirls that adores VI, VII and VIII. Still play them to this day. But given a choice between the way random encounters were handled in say VII (swirly cutaway to the battle screen) and how it was done in XII (exploring and fighting all done on the same screen) then I'd go with the newer one. It's an improvement. But like I said, they don't always get it right; the magic system in VIII was bobbins compared to the Materia in VII.
But you don't gain a better game unless you at least try and experiment. Whilst I might not like everything they've put in the games over the years, I do appreciate the fact that they've tried to innovate.
Don't be ridiculous. If you don't like traditional JRPGs then there's Demon's Souls, TWEWY etc that follow a totally different formula.Ulvai said:
I personally really liked FF12 and thought that 13 was a decent addition to the series just rather average like 10 and 5, certainly not bad on the level of 10-2 or 11. I haven't tried 14 but it certainly seems to have the same problems as 11 had, namely Squeenix can't make multiplayer games for shit.
(keeping my reply short as possible here, seeing as alot of escapists are really sensitive about the amount of Final Fantasy material is posted per week).Gizmo1990 said:
I Agree with you.
If you didn't like the battle system in it, then it's hard to like the game really. Not that I'm saying it's a bad battle system, just wasn't my thing. The pacing on the story was pretty poor, often having to pass through multiple equally large areas before you'd finally get to the next plot point. Meaning your stuck just trolling through dungeons(Or doing the optional marks/fetch quests, which are also generally fighting) for hours on end until you finally get to the next plot point, and so you just get bored if you don't like the battle system.Blitzwing said:
That's my take on why I didn't like it, anyway.
XIII has the same problem, the gameplay is largely based around the combat system for both the main story and optional quests, and so again if you don't like the battle system, you're screwed. Personally I actually really liked the battle system of XIII, but that seems to be a minority opinion.
I completely boggled at the desicion to make FF13-2 I mean they do know that no one liked it...right?
In what universe can people be so utterly self congratulatory they act to ignore the opinion of those consuming their product. If your a chef and someone says they don't like broccoli you don't pile more on thier plate...
The only reason I forgave the linearity of FF-10 was becuase I liked the characters FF13 does not even have that saving grace.
In what universe can people be so utterly self congratulatory they act to ignore the opinion of those consuming their product. If your a chef and someone says they don't like broccoli you don't pile more on thier plate...
The only reason I forgave the linearity of FF-10 was becuase I liked the characters FF13 does not even have that saving grace.
correction: no one in NA or Europe liked it. apparently it was quite popular in Japan.xXxJessicaxXx said:
personally, my favorite was FFVIII, or the first Tactics, if you wanna include that one. FFX was ok, but it's kinda sad when the minigame is more fun than the main game (yeah, over 100 hours spent on Blitzball here). also, adding voices was a terrible idea, imo, since they're all horrible. FFXI was a pretty good mmo if you could handle the slow pace. FFXII...let's just say i agree with those who wish Vaan and Penelo were completely cut from the game; imo, Vaan is worse than Squall, Tidus, and every whiny little brat in history combined. FFXIII had the same problem, except with ALL of its characters.
Eh, it's just that there are certain people in Square-Enix who shouldn't be working on these games, and they're missing some of the people who made the games good in the first place. If they can solve at least one of those problems, we may still see good Final Fantasy games in the future. Whether they carry the FF name or not is irrelevant, these games have never had anything to do with one another anyway.
I'm still optimistic about Type-0 and Versus XIII.
[sub]Also my first was VII and my favorite is IX.[/sub]
I'm still optimistic about Type-0 and Versus XIII.
[sub]Also my first was VII and my favorite is IX.[/sub]
Well, the first FF you play isn't gonna be your favorite. I started with V when I was 5 so and played every single one a number of times now. VII is my favorite but I love a number of them.
My favorite five are, in order, VII, X (Blitzball certainly helped. Best Minigame in the FF series for me. But I genuinely like the main story), VIII, V, IX.
Honestly though, while FFXIII is a bit iffy in any respect it was still a decent enough game if you let yourself get sucked in. It's changes weren't welcomed and I understand that and I think too many changes were made between the normal FF type of game to this one. I will fully admit that to me, Hope is the worst character in Final Fantasy History though. There was absolutely nothing likable about that kid and I wanted him to die every single second of the game.
I did like Vanille though where most don't and also liked Sazh. The parts with the two of them together were the best parts of the game.
My favorite five are, in order, VII, X (Blitzball certainly helped. Best Minigame in the FF series for me. But I genuinely like the main story), VIII, V, IX.
Honestly though, while FFXIII is a bit iffy in any respect it was still a decent enough game if you let yourself get sucked in. It's changes weren't welcomed and I understand that and I think too many changes were made between the normal FF type of game to this one. I will fully admit that to me, Hope is the worst character in Final Fantasy History though. There was absolutely nothing likable about that kid and I wanted him to die every single second of the game.
I did like Vanille though where most don't and also liked Sazh. The parts with the two of them together were the best parts of the game.
Hamauzu isn't bad, though. FFXIII had a lot of faults, but music wasn't one of them.VikingSteve said:
A better example is Hironobu Sakaguchi. He did the concepts for I, II, IV, V, VI, VII and IX (i.e. the good ones), was the executive producer of X and is no longer working for Square. Coincidence? Well, maybe. I'm going to say it isn't one anyway.
[sub]He also has a rad mustache.[/sub]
Hello everyone, I'm new here. Here's my 0.03$ on the topic.
I'm almost 30, for a few years now I've been bored with jrpgs. I passionately hate everything moe and japanese over-melodramatisation. I'm all in for a good tear jerker, but it has to be done in style, not like every low-budget harem anime out there. That said, earlier FFs have had their share of this. Maybe it's just that it was only a part of the games, it was shown lightheartedly, using simple sprites and kind of like in a puppet theatre... and it wasn't dubbed, but I still like every FF up to IX (and XII).
It kinda saddens me that S-E projects a good story for adolescents, but can't make it appeal to other groups. I've seen a lot of Japanese series for adolescents made with such style and written so well, that it didn't matter I wasn't part of the target group. I understand Japanese culture, I get that they like when the characters act like whiny little brats, I just don't get why FF has to be a vessel for this. They can afford to hire writers that could write dialogue that appeals to both groups, so why don't they do that?
Let's leave the stories aside, stories are a personal matter and no one expects a jrpg to be really mature, so if you want a great story, I suggest a book. For me, what matters the most, are the characters, the dialogues and good atmosphere. FFXII's story is polarising (I liked it), but I think no one can deny that the dialogues are well-written. FFXIII on the other hand is written very simplistically, the characters repeat themselves, they use simple grunts and fail at expressing themselves. It's FFX all over again.
I hear FFXII wasn't a big hit in Japan, so maybe that's part of the problem, I assume the political games that were the heart of FFXII weren't liked by the core audience, so they went back to god-slaying melodrama. Too bad they threw out the baby with the bath water.
Also, FFXII's English dubbing is light years ahead of FFXIII's. What was S-E USA thinking...
I finished FFXIII only because of the fantastic battle system. I didn't feel anything when the credits rolled. For example, the idea of Fang and Vanille and their final deeds is really good, but the way it's shown, the dialogues that accompany it and the behaviour of other characters take everything from it, making it an empty shell of a good idea. Maybe younger people and those really obsessed with Japanese culture like these kinds of dramatisation, but for me it's just bad direction.
All that aside, I've been playing Radiant Historia lately. It has the melodrama, weird character choices, all that jrpg mumbo-jumbo, but it's also very well written, which makes it a great game in my opinion. That, and a good battle system. For me, it's one of the best jrpgs in recent years, if not the best. Why can't S-E make a FF game with this kind of writing? It's just beyond me. I guess I'm simply in the minority, judging from FFXIII's sales.
Also, on topic of FFXII, I agree - Vaan should be cut out. But he's not the real hero, cutscenes focusing on him are few and far between and they are eclipsed by everything related to other characters and the overall story, so I didn't feel he was much of an issue. He just tagged along for the ride.
And on the topic of the Return of the Jedi - FF games are all a blatant rip off of other pop culture ideas. None of them really come with fresh ideas and I don't care about that as long as the execution is good. If you're bothered with that I suggest time-traveling, because most of everything that comes out today is in one way or another based on past ideas.
Also, Star Wars was just Frank Herbert's Dune.
I'm almost 30, for a few years now I've been bored with jrpgs. I passionately hate everything moe and japanese over-melodramatisation. I'm all in for a good tear jerker, but it has to be done in style, not like every low-budget harem anime out there. That said, earlier FFs have had their share of this. Maybe it's just that it was only a part of the games, it was shown lightheartedly, using simple sprites and kind of like in a puppet theatre... and it wasn't dubbed, but I still like every FF up to IX (and XII).
It kinda saddens me that S-E projects a good story for adolescents, but can't make it appeal to other groups. I've seen a lot of Japanese series for adolescents made with such style and written so well, that it didn't matter I wasn't part of the target group. I understand Japanese culture, I get that they like when the characters act like whiny little brats, I just don't get why FF has to be a vessel for this. They can afford to hire writers that could write dialogue that appeals to both groups, so why don't they do that?
Let's leave the stories aside, stories are a personal matter and no one expects a jrpg to be really mature, so if you want a great story, I suggest a book. For me, what matters the most, are the characters, the dialogues and good atmosphere. FFXII's story is polarising (I liked it), but I think no one can deny that the dialogues are well-written. FFXIII on the other hand is written very simplistically, the characters repeat themselves, they use simple grunts and fail at expressing themselves. It's FFX all over again.
I hear FFXII wasn't a big hit in Japan, so maybe that's part of the problem, I assume the political games that were the heart of FFXII weren't liked by the core audience, so they went back to god-slaying melodrama. Too bad they threw out the baby with the bath water.
Also, FFXII's English dubbing is light years ahead of FFXIII's. What was S-E USA thinking...
I finished FFXIII only because of the fantastic battle system. I didn't feel anything when the credits rolled. For example, the idea of Fang and Vanille and their final deeds is really good, but the way it's shown, the dialogues that accompany it and the behaviour of other characters take everything from it, making it an empty shell of a good idea. Maybe younger people and those really obsessed with Japanese culture like these kinds of dramatisation, but for me it's just bad direction.
All that aside, I've been playing Radiant Historia lately. It has the melodrama, weird character choices, all that jrpg mumbo-jumbo, but it's also very well written, which makes it a great game in my opinion. That, and a good battle system. For me, it's one of the best jrpgs in recent years, if not the best. Why can't S-E make a FF game with this kind of writing? It's just beyond me. I guess I'm simply in the minority, judging from FFXIII's sales.
Also, on topic of FFXII, I agree - Vaan should be cut out. But he's not the real hero, cutscenes focusing on him are few and far between and they are eclipsed by everything related to other characters and the overall story, so I didn't feel he was much of an issue. He just tagged along for the ride.
And on the topic of the Return of the Jedi - FF games are all a blatant rip off of other pop culture ideas. None of them really come with fresh ideas and I don't care about that as long as the execution is good. If you're bothered with that I suggest time-traveling, because most of everything that comes out today is in one way or another based on past ideas.
Also, Star Wars was just Frank Herbert's Dune.