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gamebrain89

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I am going to throw my two cents in here. As a responsible gun owner, I.E., guns kept under lock and key, ammo stored else where also under lock and key, I do agree that yes, more should be done. Mandatory background checks on EVERY perchase, be it from a gun shop, show or Wal-Mart, should be done. And if those checks are not done, heavy fines should be laid on the dealers. I was required to pass a background check when I bought my rifle and should I want to buy a pistol when I turn twenty-one I expect to have to pass another. Wyoming may be the least restrictive, but gun ownership is part of our culture. We hunt, we target shoot, and yes, some carry guns for protection. That is not something you can just "take away". Guns are ingrained in the American culture, and most if not all will not give that up without a fight. Look at Prohibition. People would not give up alcohol, what makes you think they would give up gun ownership?

Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
Very nicely worded arguement, sums up my feelings rather nicely.
 

samsprinkle

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I hold my 2nd ammendment right to "bear arms" huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh! get it?
 

Rajin Cajun

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
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SimuLord said:
Everywhere American cities and states have passed private concealed-carry permit laws, the violent crime rate has gone down because criminals now have to weigh the probability that their victim may be armed and within his rights to shoot and consider if the crime is worth that risk of death that comes from not knowing who's packing.
Yet the safest town in America is in a state with almost no concealed carry; so is the fourth most dangerous--in fact, THEY ARE IN THE SAME STATE, ONLY 70 MILES APART

http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/real_estate/best_worst/index.html
http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/real_estate/best_worst/2.html

Now that we're in a recession, let's see just how those statistics hold up. Ever think about whether a lot of those stats correlate with things like the tech bubble and the housing bubble, and other upswings in the economy as well as they do with the passage of those laws?

Fact is,
LMAO Those stats fuckin failed with Orem in third which is allowed Open Carry. You can carry a gun in Utah in the Open and not be arrested for it nor do you need a permit unlike a concealed carry. So now that you castrated your stats please stand down Euro.
I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here.
Your stats disproved everything you stated since the number three city allows open carry. That means you can carry a firearm in a holster as long as it is visible the State of Utah allows open carry without license. Thus your belief strict gun laws make safer cities was disproved.
My belief was not that "strict gun laws make safer cities was disproved." My belief was that, um, "the issue of guns and crime deterrence is a much more complex issue than looking at a few cities and states that have passed private concealed-carry permit laws. There's no easy answer like 'pass private concealed-carry permit laws and crime will go down'. The answer is a lot more nuanced than that" which is why I bothered to write it in that post you replied to.

I don't understand how a person who read my entire post--you know, that didn't stop the second they read a response less enthusiastic about the issue than 'WOOHOO GUNNNSSS!' and decided on that basis that the person must believe there's an "easy answer" like "strict gun laws make safer cities"--could have missed that...
Whoops my bad I really shouldn't post when I am doing something else. :S
 

SkinnySlim

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I happened to over hear a conversation a few weeks ago while in a local sporting goods store between several folks freaking out over Obama being elected. One of them, who I believe was the firearms manager, said that some governments overseas (Australia/U.K./or somewhere) had simply taxed ammunition something like 500% in order to choke firearms ownership out. I was wondering if anyone had any idea if this was true. I know that gun sales and ammunition sales are through the roof right now because of the fear of an Obama administration, so I was curious if his guy was talking out of his ass or not.

This is always an interesting debate, but I have to pose another question. Are there any of you out there who are anti-gun ownership that have any background with firearms at all? Same also goes for the reverse, pro gun with no background with firearms. I'm not saying that your opinion doesn't count, I just want to know what kind of perspective you are coming from...
 

Rajin Cajun

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SkinnySlim said:
I happened to over hear a conversation a few weeks ago while in a local sporting goods store between several folks freaking out over Obama being elected. One of them, who I believe was the firearms manager, said that some governments overseas (Australia/U.K./or somewhere) had simply taxed ammunition something like 500% in order to choke firearms ownership out. I was wondering if anyone had any idea if this was true. I know that gun sales and ammunition sales are through the roof right now because of the fear of an Obama administration, so I was curious if his guy was talking out of his ass or not.

This is always an interesting debate, but I have to pose another question. Are there any of you out there who are anti-gun ownership that have any background with firearms at all? Same also goes for the reverse, pro gun with no background with firearms. I'm not saying that your opinion doesn't count, I just want to know what kind of perspective you are coming from...
Hmm not sure though I do know the Damn Russkies have been charging an arm and a leg for 7.62x54R for a long while. It was about a buck a cartridge last time I purchased from the Russkies. Good quality ammo but highly corrosive though I trusted it more then the self pack I am forced to purchase now because most gun stores are refusing to import Russian Munitions.
 

SkinnySlim

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Yeah, I have some buddies that have bought some of these $100 russian rifles lately, and they have been complaining about that too. I think most of the price increase is just due to the general cost of metals right now. Hell, a box of .357 mag set me back $55 last week, and two years ago it was in the upper $20's. It's only going to get worse. I've been buying a little bit every pay day to help ease the sticker shock...
 

dangerousdave_42

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SkinnySlim said:
Yeah, I have some buddies that have bought some of these $100 russian rifles lately, and they have been complaining about that too. I think most of the price increase is just due to the general cost of metals right now. Hell, a box of .357 mag set me back $55 last week, and two years ago it was in the upper $20's. It's only going to get worse. I've been buying a little bit every pay day to help ease the sticker shock...
I hear ya the cheap .44 mags at walmart are going for $35-40 range thats why I bought a .22