Accpet Steam's New EULA or Say Goodbye To Your Steam Account UPDATED

[Epona]

http://wegotthiscovered.com/news/valve-accept-steam-subscriber-agreement-disable-account/

So if you disagree.

That's how EVERY online service works.

I already know that I'm just posting news for people to disccuss about.

Help me understand...what is the discussion value of a company using the identical process of every other company?

Maybe you could add some discussion yourself to explain what it is you expect people to discuss. This seems a lot like "the sky is blue...discuss".

Does every other company take away what you have already paid for?

They aren't taking them away. They are saying you can't use their service if you don't agree to their service terms. And yes, every company does that if they have TOS and you don't agree to them.

If I don't agree to the next PSN EULA, will my games stop working?

 

[yeti585]

Here's an idea, instead of deactivating accounts, let's deactivate steam and programs like it (I'm looking at you origin... wait, am I? I've never actually used origin, but if it is like steam in certain regards it is getting the stare of death right now.). I don't like how these programs have a monopoly on big PC titles. I'd rather go out to the store and buy a game on CD.

[sup]Plus, us being able to play the games we shelled out money for relies on the continued success of not only steam, but Valve as a company.[/sup]

 

[Epona]

Here's an idea, instead of deactivating accounts, let's deactivate steam and programs like it (I'm looking at you origin... wait, am I? I've never actually used origin, but if it is like steam in certain regards it is getting the stare of death right now.). I don't like how these programs have a monopoly on big PC titles. I'd rather go out to the store and buy a game on CD.

[sup]Plus, us being able to play the games we shelled out money for relies on the continued success of not only steam, but Valve as a company.[/sup]

Even buying physical copies doesn't help consumers if the game still has to be registered via Steam or Origin and does an online check everytime you start the game.

I have a physical copy of Portal 2 and Skyrim but without Steam, they won't work at all.

 

[Dendio]

This is why Good Old Games advertises their DRM free NO strings attached content

 

[yeti585]

Here's an idea, instead of deactivating accounts, let's deactivate steam and programs like it (I'm looking at you origin... wait, am I? I've never actually used origin, but if it is like steam in certain regards it is getting the stare of death right now.). I don't like how these programs have a monopoly on big PC titles. I'd rather go out to the store and buy a game on CD.

[sup]Plus, us being able to play the games we shelled out money for relies on the continued success of not only steam, but Valve as a company.[/sup]

Even buying physical copies doesn't help consumers if the game still has to be registered via Steam or Origin and does an online check everytime you start the game.

I have a physical copy of Portal 2 and Skyrim but without Steam, they won't work at all.

I had disks like that in the back of my mind when I wrote that reply, so I shall add them now. "How about we deactivate steam and services like it (and make games run without having to have these services)"

Captcha: panic stations
I guess captcha is going to lose his steam account.

 

[Dendio]

Regardless of how this ends up working out, this is a good example of why gamers should not be excited for the upcoming all-digital distribution revolution, that video game publishers are pushing for. Often you are not buying a game, but simply a license to play a game. The problem with that (as evidenced by Steam?s new subscriber agreement) is that the license can be taken away from you, at any time, for any reason, and without compensation.

I really don't like the idea of buying the "license" instead of the actual game. I can't think of many other things I pay good money for that can be taken away from me at the sellers whim.

 

[Jmp_man]

Here's an idea, instead of deactivating accounts, let's deactivate steam and programs like it (I'm looking at you origin... wait, am I? I've never actually used origin, but if it is like steam in certain regards it is getting the stare of death right now.). I don't like how these programs have a monopoly on big PC titles. I'd rather go out to the store and buy a game on CD.

[sup]Plus, us being able to play the games we shelled out money for relies on the continued success of not only steam, but Valve as a company.[/sup]

Even buying physical copies doesn't help consumers if the game still has to be registered via Steam or Origin and does an online check everytime you start the game.

I have a physical copy of Portal 2 and Skyrim but without Steam, they won't work at all.

Hold on, hold on, hold on...

You can't play your PHYSICAL COPY of Skyrim w/out Steam? If that's true than something is messed up around here.

If I don't agree to the next PSN EULA, will my games stop working?

Not quite...

14. CHANGES TO THESE CONDITIONS

We may make changes to these Conditions from time to time. You will be notified of material changes by a posting as you sign in to Sony Entertainment Network, by PSN message or by email to your current email address as registered on your Sony Entertainment Network account. To access a printable, current copy of these Conditions, go to http://eu.playstation.com/legal or www.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com. Please check regularly to ensure that you are aware of any changes. Your continued use of Sony Entertainment Network (via a Master Account or Sub Account) after any changes signifies acceptance of these changes by you and any Sub Account holders. If you do not accept changes to these Conditions you must stop using Sony Entertainment Network. If you are a Master Account holder and there are funds in your wallet prior to your refusal to accept changes to the Conditions, you must contact us and we will terminate your account (and any associated Sub Accounts) and refund any unused wallet funds. You will not be able to access Sony Entertainment Network.

We may assign our rights and obligations under these Conditions without your consent provided that such assignment does not adversely affect your rights under these Conditions.

Source: http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/ps3-eula/psn/e/e_tosua_en.html

Basically by continuing to use their service after they change their EULA you are automatically agreeing to their changes.
(Basically it's self policing I guess...)

 

[Guilherme Zoldan]

What a lot of people dont realize is that Steam is rather draconian DRM. Its just that they have such great customer service that it doesnt feel like it...until they decide to not let you play your own games.

 

[Awexsome]

I agree that unless the change to the ToS were unreasonable this shouldn't be a problem.

However the point I think OP was going for was clear. Steam puts in unfavorable ToS... people blame the user for signing up for it in the first place. If this was about EA doing something like this it would be more fuel for the anti-origin witch hunt.

 

[Epona]

Here's an idea, instead of deactivating accounts, let's deactivate steam and programs like it (I'm looking at you origin... wait, am I? I've never actually used origin, but if it is like steam in certain regards it is getting the stare of death right now.). I don't like how these programs have a monopoly on big PC titles. I'd rather go out to the store and buy a game on CD.

[sup]Plus, us being able to play the games we shelled out money for relies on the continued success of not only steam, but Valve as a company.[/sup]

Even buying physical copies doesn't help consumers if the game still has to be registered via Steam or Origin and does an online check everytime you start the game.

I have a physical copy of Portal 2 and Skyrim but without Steam, they won't work at all.

Hold on, hold on, hold on...

You can't play your PHYSICAL COPY of Skyrim w/out Steam? If that's true than something is messed up around here.

If I don't agree to the next PSN EULA, will my games stop working?

Not quite...

14. CHANGES TO THESE CONDITIONS

We may make changes to these Conditions from time to time. You will be notified of material changes by a posting as you sign in to Sony Entertainment Network, by PSN message or by email to your current email address as registered on your Sony Entertainment Network account. To access a printable, current copy of these Conditions, go to http://eu.playstation.com/legal or www.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com. Please check regularly to ensure that you are aware of any changes. Your continued use of Sony Entertainment Network (via a Master Account or Sub Account) after any changes signifies acceptance of these changes by you and any Sub Account holders. If you do not accept changes to these Conditions you must stop using Sony Entertainment Network. If you are a Master Account holder and there are funds in your wallet prior to your refusal to accept changes to the Conditions, you must contact us and we will terminate your account (and any associated Sub Accounts) and refund any unused wallet funds. You will not be able to access Sony Entertainment Network.

We may assign our rights and obligations under these Conditions without your consent provided that such assignment does not adversely affect your rights under these Conditions.

Source: http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/ps3-eula/psn/e/e_tosua_en.html

Basically by continuing to use their service after they change their EULA you are automatically agreeing to their changes.
(Basically it's self policing I guess...)

However, use of PSN (SEN) is not required for my downloaded games to work, is it?

 

[Keltrick]

http://wegotthiscovered.com/news/valve-accept-steam-subscriber-agreement-disable-account/

So if you disagree.

That's how EVERY online service works.

I already know that I'm just posting news for people to disccuss about.

Help me understand...what is the discussion value of a company using the identical process of every other company?

Maybe you could add some discussion yourself to explain what it is you expect people to discuss. This seems a lot like "the sky is blue...discuss".

I have to completely and utterly disagree.

Many people see steam as a service that blurs the line between a product for sale, and a service you pay to have access too. When netflix does this, it's different. Its all streamed content, that I didn't have permanent access to to begin with, and they don't present it as such.

With steam you 'buy' steam games. The thought that one day they can change the ToS to something outlandish, and as a result I either bend over and take whatever they want to force on me, or I lose a considerable investment, is what makes for a good discussion.

If you don't see the topic of discussion, then you must be actively trying not to. If you don't think its worth you're time to talk about thats one thing, but its a huge cry from 'the sky is blue, discuss". There is conflict of interest and a situation that is more or less unique here. Not many services work quite like Steam. Heck, even iTunes lets me keep my mp3s if I don't want to agree to an update.

 

[lacktheknack]

If you didnt agree to the original TOS in the first place you wouldnt even be using Steam.

If you've accepted the old TOS and then changed your mind, they wouldve taken away your account too.

People are actually outraged about this?

People are outraged by the newest amendment to the ToS, because they view it as "reducing consumer rights", although it conveniently doubles as "Valve covering their asses". Google it if you care.

I agreed to the terms, because I didn't have a problem with them. If Steam pushed something I didn't like, I would have no issues whatsoever with no longer using them. I've always been aware that not accepting the ToS would mean losing my games. I've been starting to hoard physical/DRM free copies of my games anyways.

 

[Sexy Devil]

Well... I don't agree with completely shutting down your account, but it's your choice whether to use Steam or not. Using Steam requires agreeing to their TOS. If you don't like it, don't use it. That simple.

The issue is that they're essentially holding your games hostage to make you accept. This is exactly why I've been against digital distribution since day 1 and only really buy stuff on Steam during the Steam sale. Thank Christ I'm scared to accept new things. For the record I accepted the new TOS but I'm not happy about it.

 

[Guybythestreet]

The question isn't whether you have to click "I accept", but rather or not they can legally uphold their TOS. If I pay you for, say, a year of internet access, with the agreement that I'd have access for exactly 12 months, and you later say "Well, we're changing our contracts so now it's only good for 6 months", do you figure that would hold up in court?

Steam can *say* "You can't sue us", but if I do, what are they going to do to stop me? Cut off my steam service? If I'm suing them I'm probably well past the point of caring about that.

Except now you can't sue, you can only go into small claims/arbitration. Wonder how this effects games that you've bought a physical copy of but require steam to play, like DoW2.

On the fence about how I feel about this, no real way I can see for a consumer to defend this with any amount of self-interest, objectively it's a good way to keep customers who may be thinking of jumping ship from the service, no one's gonna leave if their library is being held hostage, and in a month or two they'll forget being strong armed.

No he can sue, it is just against the terms of service. If he found a reason to sue steam he could do it but he would lose his account.

 

[Keltrick]

Mispost, Sorry.

 

[Epona]

http://wegotthiscovered.com/news/valve-accept-steam-subscriber-agreement-disable-account/

So if you disagree.

That's how EVERY online service works.

I already know that I'm just posting news for people to disccuss about.

Help me understand...what is the discussion value of a company using the identical process of every other company?

Maybe you could add some discussion yourself to explain what it is you expect people to discuss. This seems a lot like "the sky is blue...discuss".

Does every other company take away what you have already paid for?

They aren't taking them away. They are saying you can't use their service if you don't agree to their service terms. And yes, every company does that if they have TOS and you don't agree to them.

If I don't agree to the next PSN EULA, will my games stop working?

No, actually, they don't. If you buy something digital from most online retailers, you keep the content. You may not be able to do business with them, but if I pay for a movie, an ebook, a song ... all these OTHER forms of media, the files stay with me, and Im not locked out from them.

Exactly!

People need to stop pretending that EVERY OTHER DD service is like this. It isn't and I'll bet that if this went to court, Valve would lose. How do they treat people who are banned because of cheating? Do they lose all of their games?

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