I like valve be I hate steam so fucking much. If it wasn't necessary for so many games I wouldn't use it. I try to get retail copies when ever I can.
Accpet Steam's New EULA or Say Goodbye To Your Steam Account UPDATED
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Actually, no, they don't. With almost every other seller of digital goods, I'm left with the product if I decide to part ways with them. I don't have to agree to a ToS update that iTunes, or the Amazon kindle reader send my way, and if I don't I still retain my songs, ebooks, movies. Why should it be that every other form of media lets me retain my goods, that I purchased, and not games? Steam is as much a 'service' as any of these other retailers are. By all means, bar me from your store, your community and future patches via your client, but not the files I've already paid for.Wolverine18 said:
I really don't think the act of owning a game license should be considered a service that's part of a subscription. Buying, downloading, patching and community/multi-player connectivity are services. If a person stops using a service that shouldn't invalidate their ownership of their licenses.
This whole matter bothers me about steam, I just keep using it because I feel it is unlikely to have any practical effect on me but other aspects of steam have practical benefits.
This whole matter bothers me about steam, I just keep using it because I feel it is unlikely to have any practical effect on me but other aspects of steam have practical benefits.
Fun Fact: I noticed that the original build of Skyrim (The one on Steam on release day, and I presume on hard copies) would run without communication with Steam if you directly ran Skyrim.exe instead of the skyrim launcher, meaning they effectively released a cracked version of the game. They patched it pretty quick, but not before I backed up a copy.Crono1973 said:
You can't take the Sky(rim) from me
This isn't really a huge new thing where they're pullinng anti consumer BS. You don't agree to the ToS, you don't use the service. Is this different for anything else?
You guys do know that even if they put that in their ToS it doesn't actually stop you from suing them with a class action suit. No term of service can limit your legal rights. In fact, both software licenses and terms of service are dubiously legal at best.
Just something to keep in mind should it come down to it.
Just something to keep in mind should it come down to it.
To be fair, if EA did this, the internet would be losing its collective shit.Wolverine18 said:
EDIT: In fact, when other companies did exactly this, people lost their collective shit.
Valve does it, and the reaction is "so?"
I think this is quite telling, but hey.
How does this work in the UK?
With them recently allowing digital copies to be "resold" as digital copies mean you own the object...how can Valve take away your access to that?
With them recently allowing digital copies to be "resold" as digital copies mean you own the object...how can Valve take away your access to that?
Jmp_man said:
Question. How much exposure to gaming sites have you for the past three or more years. Now days almost every non-indie new release has a form of online DRM even if you have the CD. Some games have a code you have to input. Steam and Origin are like that code, except that no code has to be in putted. They check your computer every time and you can't play a game without the program running.
OT: So they are changing their ToS. Does Valve have a lot of class action law suits against them? I mean they provide great service and from what I've heard their customer support is very good. I can't see them being sued for millions often. I mean I can understand Sony after the PSN outage last summer. But Valve seems to be pretty good about this stuff.
Unless the terms of service involve me donating my organs to them at a time of their convenience I don't really care.
There is also some Origin guy somewhere looking at all the cat pics I have on my PC.
There is also some Origin guy somewhere looking at all the cat pics I have on my PC.
As opposed to...Akalabeth said:
"OMG THIS GAME I PLAYED MORE THAN A DECADE AGO IS...FULL PRICE?"
Let's take a show of hands, how many people in this forum have taken part in a class action lawsuit against Steam? None? Interesting.
While I agree the entire thing is dumb and cannot see how it is legal (aside from the precedent), it won't have any impact on 99% of the people using Steam.
Same here. I honestly had no problem agreeing to the new EULA/TOS. If I ever need to sue Valve, I would rather it be done in small claims court, with Valve footing the bill, rather than worrying about (often frivolous) class-action suits. Besides, if Valve does do something extremely egregious and a large number of people decide to attempt to bring a class-action suit against them, the courts may still hear the case; regardless of the TOS.lacktheknack said:
Oh, and I also have both digital and physical back-ups of almost all of my Steam games.
You know...just in case.
Though, every time there's a big batch of updates and patches it can take a while to update all of my back-ups. Tis the only drawback.
Thankfully, Steams in-client back-up utility is quite handy. (and fairly quick)
While I definitely don't give Steam a free-pass on this, they've engendered enough good will over the years that I will "wait and see."Zachary Amaranth said:
Steam has been around for, what, a decade now? And I've personally never heard of any serious shenanigans on their part (feel free to tell me about any I missed) so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment. Though if this ToS turns into a giant clusterfuck, I'll be right there with my torch and pitchfork.
Origin, on the other hand, is new to the whole digital-marketplace landscape, and is just the fancy name for "EA Store." EA has a long reputation of dickishness, and driving great game franchises into mediocrity. They've earned no such good will from the gaming community, so ya ...
People will jump on EA's shit, while letting Steam slide (for now, at least.) Congratulations on figuring out one minor aspect of the human condition.
Man, it's almost like Valve are exactly the same as every other company and business ever.
Who'da thunk?
Actually, I would. Because every single time Valve do something that annoys their fanboys I delight in pointing out that there is no real appreciable difference between Valve and anyone else (EA, Activision etc) because they are all big businesses in it to make money, and they are all one wrong step away from earning the eternal ire of those same fanboys who would defend them to the death.
When Valve makes HL2:E3 and it isn't worth the development time... well.
'The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you.'
or, if you prefer something more recent
They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper.
Who'da thunk?
Actually, I would. Because every single time Valve do something that annoys their fanboys I delight in pointing out that there is no real appreciable difference between Valve and anyone else (EA, Activision etc) because they are all big businesses in it to make money, and they are all one wrong step away from earning the eternal ire of those same fanboys who would defend them to the death.
When Valve makes HL2:E3 and it isn't worth the development time... well.
'The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you.'
or, if you prefer something more recent
They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper.