Accpet Steam's New EULA or Say Goodbye To Your Steam Account UPDATED

[Syzygy23]

http://wegotthiscovered.com/news/valve-accept-steam-subscriber-agreement-disable-account/

So if you disagree.

That's how EVERY online service works.

I already know that I'm just posting news for people to disccuss about.

Help me understand...what is the discussion value of a company using the identical process of every other company?

Maybe you could add some discussion yourself to explain what it is you expect people to discuss. This seems a lot like "the sky is blue...discuss".

In this new TOS valve takes away your right to sue them, but I figured that people will be talking about the whole forced to agree the terms or goodbye to your steam account.

Do you have any suggetions?

Well, first of all, who would want to sue Valve? What have they done or plan to do that warrants a lawsuit against them?

Nothing.

Hell, I don't think even EA has done anything worth suing over.
Ok, well, maybe if you were banned from playing games you payed for already because a moderator-bot X-9000 misread something you posted on their forums and banned you, but I'm sure they fix that kind of thing when it happens.

 

[Tranquility]

When Origin does it's Satan's work though.

That's what pisses me off, the horrible double standard.

Not really a double standard.

EA is the literal reincarnation of Satan.

 

[KeyMaster45]

*snip*

Both you and that website you got your info from need to read the CS rep's response more carefully. What they say is that asking them to close your account is an option if you don't wish to accept their agreements. In fact asking them to close your account is an option at any point in time should you feel you and the service need to go your separate ways. However, like most online services if you don't accept the ToS then you won't be allowed to use it.

This isn't something new with Valve, sounds like people looking for something to be upset about since EA hasn't flung shit at the wall in a few weeks.

 

[Phlakes]

...Oh no. That's so terrible that I have to click an accept button and not be able to sue them for things that I shouldn't be able to sue them for. I mean it's not like they're in turn providing me with one of the best digital services in existence. I guess it's not cool to not hate them, though. Fuck the system, right guys?

 

[Pink Gregory]

This is a shame, really; won't stop me using Steam, I like Steam; but it's a shame that there's the tiiiny likelihood of something going tits up and the consumer being powerless about it.

I hope that Valve (or the part of it that runs steam anyway) will release an official statement regarding this backlash, as some things do need to be addressed.

http://www.destructoid.com/steam-says-you-can-t-mass-sue-valve-anymore-232319.phtml

 

[Souleks]

This isn't something new with Valve, sounds like people looking for something to be upset about since EA hasn't flung shit at the wall in a few weeks.

I think raging about EA is all most of us use this forum for.
Its always EA this or Bioware that with some splashes of Bethesda...
I miss the waifu thread....

OT:
I already signed away my right to sue EA I really don't care if Valve wants it either hell they can drain my bank account as long as they give me a copy of half-life 3.

 

[Pink Gregory]

-snipped for cleanliness-

 

[Atmos Duality]

I liken people actually reading a TOS for the first time as losing their virginity.
It's awkward, and you feel kind of dirty afterward, no matter how good the sex actually was.

Of course, we're also seeing what happens when you watch strong-company/brand loyalty get challenged. Steam is a juggernaut, and I've maintained that it's only a matter of time before they leverage their stranglehold on PC gaming.

Based on their latest TOS...that is not today.
It's...pretty basic stuff. Updates based on waves made in the legal fields.
As usual, lawyers (and bankers) rule the fucking world.

(The "You can't sue us via class-action" is a smokescreen. It's not upheld everywhere.)

EDIT: It is upheld in the United States, and since it's a recent ruling, it probably won't be overturn for years. At least, until someone gets royally fucked over by it.

*sigh*
That's just dandy.

Well, Gabe Newell, you officially made the jump from "wary respect" to "Shitlist".
The question I will never get a answer fro: Why are you suddenly so eager to employ the draconian bullshit now?

I thought consumer trust was one of your biggest selling points.
Guess not. Then again, when you have a virtual monopoly on mainstream PC gaming, it doesn't really matter.

Basically, I hate Origin because it represents everything I hate about EA today. Or rather, what EA has become since 2007/2008.

Correction: Since EVER.
They've acted like egotistical shitstains since well before 2007.
Check out when they were sued by their own employees for years of inhuman schedules, mandates and labor violations.

It's just now they look even worse because they're part of an oligopoly (less competition, more concentrated news), and they're desperately trying to remain relevant while their company sinks. They're at their lowest point in over 12 years right now.
So they'll stir the shit-pot if it means getting the market's attention.

Kind of pathetic, really.

 

[Pink Gregory]

Also, there are a few more reasons to 'rage' against EA than Valve; EA taking in all that is a malaise about current AAA games development (which is probably the beef that most of us here have more than any other), only if Valve had already sold preorders to Half Life 3 or whatever could they really match up.

Not meaning to detract from the seriousness of the new Steam ToS, of course.

Of course, we're also seeing what happens when you watch strong-company/brand loyalty get challenged. Steam is a juggernaut, and I've maintained that it's only a matter of time before they leverage their stranglehold on PC gaming.

I hear that, it'll be a good day indeed, although I have to wonder what a new service would have to do (beyond DRM-Free, not gon' happen I think) to actually give people a reason to use them rather than Steam; GOG.com already covers the bases of older titles/indie titles, many of which Steam doesn't have on its catalogue, and Origin could have competed if only someone had latched on to the rather basic premise of, y'know, NOT selling digital games at boxed-retail prices.

 

[Twilight_guy]

They had the power do this at any time to anyone before and have had it for a while. As a matter of fact not accepting their TOS has always meant losing all your games. Steam is nice, but its always a way to easy screw you, whether you've been aware of it or not. People are up in arms now, but where was this outrage before? Did everyone suddenly just realize how Steam works all of the sudden? The general argument around here about anything is "You're wrong, because I know more then you and here's why" and yet nobody knew about this. Really? Ah well,. maybe people will do more research into the services they use now, and maybe the sky will turn red and I'll shot flying pigs out of my noes.

 

[Pearwood]

I paid for those games. They are mine to keep.

Technically that's not piracy. So long as you can produce the receipt it'd be thrown out of court even if you sent a load of emails to their legal department saying "Haha I'm illegally downloading your game".

And speaking of things that'll be laughed out of court - ToS agreements. The kind of money some people have on their account goes beyond just being fit for small claims court.

 

[SmegInThePants]

they should just make it so you can't buy *new* games unless you accept the new additions, but still allow you to use all your already-purchased games indefinitely. how hard is that.

 

[Doclector]

Erm...how do you accept the new terms? I think I remember accepting something a while ago, but I'm not sure. How/when does it come up, and how long do I have to accept it?

 

[Pink Gregory]

They had the power do this at any time to anyone before and have had it for a while. As a matter of fact not accepting their TOS has always meant losing all your games. Steam is nice, but its always a way to easy screw you, whether you've been aware of it or not. People are up in arms now, but where was this outrage before? Did everyone suddenly just realize how Steam works all of the sudden? The general argument around here about anything is "You're wrong, because I know more then you and here's why" and yet nobody knew about this. Really? Ah well,. maybe people will do more research into the services they use now, and maybe the sky will turn red and I'll shot flying pigs out of my noes.

EULAs aren't exactly written in layman's terms, it's hardly impenetrable, but still; stuff like this just draws more people's attention to it.

 

[Ledan]

It's good to be within the EU, where we have maringally more protection than other first world countries. You can't give away your rights. Within the EU I can always sue them for breaching my rights, even if I've agreed not to give away my right to see them in court.

Of course, I'm moving to NA in a few weeks -_-.

 

[Versuvius]

In the EU ToS are not legally binding and cannot make you give up consumer rights. If they do this you can just take them to court for breaking the law. Don't know how this shit flies in the US, sucks to be them i guess. This means nothing, it's worth less than the data it uses, it, means, Nothing.