Accpet Steam's New EULA or Say Goodbye To Your Steam Account UPDATED
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This has always been the case. Losing your games because you don't agree to their TOS is nothing new. As for the addition to the TOS, whether or not it's actually legally binding is pretty suspect. If the laws of the country you live in forbid that part of the agreement, this part comes in:yuval152 said:http://wegotthiscovered.com/news/valve-accept-steam-subscriber-agreement-disable-account/
So if you disagree with the new TOS your account will be deactivated with no refund.Valve is so awesome.
Although I don't mind accpeting the terms, some people might stop using steam becasue of this.
So what is your opinion about this?
And for discussion value do you it's morally right?and if yes/no then why? and also will this make you stop using steam?
In other words, it's not really worth worrying about.
Also, as always, the agreement itself isn't particularly enforceable.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/07/31/valve-updates-steam-subscriber-agreement-with-new-dispute-resolution-process-limits-class-actions/
This might be of some interest.
This might be of some interest.
If people don't like the terms they can still use Steam for the games they already own and just not buy any more games.
So let me get this straight. . .if you have been thinking about suing steam lately, this will piss you off.
If you're like me, and just want my games, this means absolutely nothing and no amount of fear mongering by valve haters is going to change that.
If you're like me, and just want my games, this means absolutely nothing and no amount of fear mongering by valve haters is going to change that.
As much as the advent of digital distribution has basically come, the intricacies of digital ownership and rights do still need to be straightened out across the board, I wouldn't say any of this is unique to Valve; the solution (and I use the term very lightly) is just to accept that piracy and illegal distribution will happen in any circumstance, even if you sell something for a dollar, people will still find a way to get it for free.
Doesn't seem to have affected GOG.com that much, but then again, it's a much smaller business.
This isn't going to stop me buying and playing stuff on Steam, but only properly reading the EULA recently, I'm going to be more inclined to buy physical copies, when possible.
Doesn't seem to have affected GOG.com that much, but then again, it's a much smaller business.
This isn't going to stop me buying and playing stuff on Steam, but only properly reading the EULA recently, I'm going to be more inclined to buy physical copies, when possible.
Oh christ, didn't notice that part.Dexter111 said:
Again, I'd like to see an official statement from Valve justifying that.
That's awful.
*shrug*Arraxis said:
Seems many people have more to lose from Steam if their account is terminated, I don't think anyone's really 'accepting' it, just that they want to play the games that they paid for and they can't if they refuse the agreement, as is the subscriber agreement; it's pretty much been in the agreement all along, just things like this draw attention back to it.
As I said before, EULAs could stand to be a bit more consumer-friendly, but there's no benefit to the businesses (or at least, the typical business model) in doing that, so it doesn't happen.
It's a pretty shitty state of affairs, but I don't think Valve are about to withdraw the service and close every user's account.
I don't think so anyway, personally, if I continue to be satisfied with the service, I'll continue to use it.
You mean a company that had already been harvesting game data for itself and other companies, to use to make thier games better, giving it to other companies is awful?PieBrotherTB said:
You mean they are holding games that the developer owns in a state that the developers allowed them to?Dexter111 said:
valve doing to property what the property owner said they could do?
THE OUTRAGE!!!
Depends whether it's only game data or not.SajuukKhar said:
EDIT - actually, in hindsight, you have a point. I concede to you.
Like with so many things; the legal framework and business model can only be properly tested in a disaster scenario. Until a big company goes to the wall and we have a bunch of consumers in this situation, I doubt anyone can anticipate the problems/reaction faced by the industry or their customers in such a scenario.
I just hope it ends up being someone like EA or Acti-zard who fall over so as to limit my personal exposure.
I just hope it ends up being someone like EA or Acti-zard who fall over so as to limit my personal exposure.
Thanks to PieBrotherTB for the link.[/quote]yuval152 said:
Valve has said before, in the case of bankruptcy, they will sever the steam client from your games. Unlike diablo III, almost all on steam don't 100% need steam to work, it's just you have to use it anyway. So there's no worry about losing all your games.