ACTA Passed, we failed.

[TheVioletBandit]

Obama proves irreversibly and forever that he is a real piece of shit who just doesn't give a fuck and has SIGNED ACTA: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/10/us-signs-international-anti-piracy-accord.ars

This just in, Syzygy23 proves irreversibly and forever that hyperbole is the only way to go, right away, about everything, forever.

Yes, assuredly, Obama signing a bill you don't agree with (or, possibly, understand) is proof that he is subhuman filth. There is no middle ground. He did something you (possibly) disagree with, therefore he does not give a fuck and is a real piece of shit.

Assuredly.

(you don't actually know what ACTA is or does, do you)

Obama signed into law the NDAA bill so he's definitely a piece of shit, also he's a POLITICIAN which is just a synonym for piece of shit. If you think he's you new best friend ever and that you need to rush to his add whenever he's criticized, wake up! the romance is over, he's just another pig in the white house. Democrats, republicans, both are just turds in a quickly flushing bole. Calling them a piece of shit isn't so much an insult as it is a sad fact.

Because hyperbole is the only way to discuss politics. Seriously, zero middle ground, it is absolutely necessary to leap straight to 'he is a piece of shit' every single time.

Oh and should anyone attempting to be a voice of reason dare to sound like they might possibly be defending said pieces of shit, the only logical response is to mock them.

Because reason is for suckers, I always say.

Nah, you're right. Wild, virulent hyperbole is the only way to go.

(Do I need to point out that you've misspelled words like 'aid', 'bowl' and 'your'? And that doing so sort of makes me take your wild hyperbole even less seriously? I don't really need to say that, right? That would just be tacky of me. Yeah.)

Ouch, someone really hates the word hyperbole, or loves it? Either way talking about my poor spelling cut me deep (Way to go straight for the throat "Mr. Voice of Reason"). I actually wasn't even mocking you in my last comment, I was simply disagreeing with you. Also, to imply that I think "reason is for suckers" because of the one comment I have made to you on the internet seems a little unreasonable, where is the "middle ground" you spoke of?

Now, In regards to my atrocious spelling habits lets conduct an experiment.

A. 2+2=4
B. two plus two equals four
C. tu plas tu ekwals four

Now although the spelling in sentence C is very poor(far worse in fact than my spelling errors)and is different than both A and B it's obvious correctness isn't negated by this fact. It is I think a type of shallowness and blind arrogance to completely disregard a statements meaning in light of its appearance. Readability I think is the single factor of any importance in regards to spelling, and although my spelling and grammar are far from perfect I believe it's still readable and doesn't warrant insult.

It's a question of intelligence. If you're not smart enough to know how to spell basic words, or use a spellchecker, it casts a light of general ignorance on what you say. Not to say that stupid people aren't allowed to have opinions but, well... stupid is as stupid types.

So there has never been an intelligent person to speak broken English, or make a few grammatical errors when writing English? heaven forbid not speaking English at all! If you don't write or speak English are you technically brain dead? By the way how well do you speak and write Mandarin, Finnish or Arabic? Perfect I'm sure, otherwise your own logic would portray you in a negative light.

Different guy here, but generally speaking. I think he's talking about people who's first language is English.

Obviously if English is a second language to someone it's a completely different scenario but people do judge others based on the quality of their words. Unfortunately over the net, that means people get called out on making silly errors that wouldn't have otherwise been noticed if simply spoken.

Like saying "your" instead of "you're", or mixing up plurals and possessives.

Personally, I don't judge someone on their spelling unless it's absolutely appalling. You know, the type of people who use text speak for everything. But ridiculously convoluted text speak, or putting a 'q' instead of a 'g' because that curls just gay or whatever.

That's about the only time it becomes an issue for me.

I absolutely agree with you and dislike text speak myself. Like I said in a post above "Readability I think is the single factor of any importance in regards to spelling, and although my spelling and grammar are far from perfect I believe it's still readable and doesn't warrant insult.[/quote]" I think that terrible convoluted spelling that make a post unreadable is ridiculous, but I think to say someone is stupid because of a few spelling mistakes is just as ridiculous and that's the problem I have with the other people who have chimed in on this topic. Thank you for being a reasonable person though.

 

[Aerosteam]

Iv'e never heard of ACTA before, so I guess it isn't a very big deal.

Does the second 'A' in ACTA stand for 'act'?

Hmm... act within acta... we must go deeper... sort of.

 

[Wintermoot]

Lol, dude, the treaty is about HARDWARE PIRACY, like DVD-bootlegging. This isn't SOPA. The internet will be fine.

Edit: Actually, it seems to cover software as well, but not in any way that wasn't already enforced. What's the big deal?

ACTA checks what kind of data goes to and from your PC even if you don,t do anything illegal it,s still a scary thought other people know what you are doing on the net

Doesn't EA Do that anyway?

Eh, Doesn't bother me.

As my freinds say i have "More money than sense" because i pay for all my stuff legally. So they aint got nothing on me yo'


....Right?

don,t you find it scary the government knows what you are doing on the web?
I like having privacy and anonymity on the internet and I don,t want some people that don,t know what they are doing mess around with that.
with EA you have the option of installing Origin with ACTA you have no choice.

 

[Max Wilco]

I know it's been said before, but the one thing that worries me about ACTA is that it could stop or restrict the sale of generic drugs and medications. Keep in mind that not everyone can afford brand-name drugs, so they rely on the generic products to get their medication. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue, but from what I've read about, it seems like ACTA could potentially deprive people of the medication they need.

 

[latiasracer]

Lol, dude, the treaty is about HARDWARE PIRACY, like DVD-bootlegging. This isn't SOPA. The internet will be fine.

Edit: Actually, it seems to cover software as well, but not in any way that wasn't already enforced. What's the big deal?

ACTA checks what kind of data goes to and from your PC even if you don,t do anything illegal it,s still a scary thought other people know what you are doing on the net

Doesn't EA Do that anyway?

Eh, Doesn't bother me.

As my freinds say i have "More money than sense" because i pay for all my stuff legally. So they aint got nothing on me yo'


....Right?

don,t you find it scary the government knows what you are doing on the web?
I like having privacy and anonymity on the internet and I don,t want some people that don,t know what they are doing mess around with that.
with EA you have the option of installing Origin with ACTA you have no choice.

True... And no it doesn't really. Im don't do anything of interest, Aside from this and Facebook

 

[AlexWinter]

I'm not worried about ACTA because no one else is.

If I haven't heard of it, it's probably not a big deal.

It's called trusting the people that govern Earth.

 

[Grunt_Man11]

Here's a fantastic post on reddit that should clear up what ACTA actually does and how it'll affect you. Apply critical thinking and you're educated.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/or8ag/ive_read_the_final_version_of_acta_heres_what_you/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzS5rSvZXe8 perhaps this will convince those who are "apathetic." What people don't seem to understand is that much of the piracy is in fact supported and distributed by media companies themselves. Yet they are never held responsible for their own actions. Companies like CBS are some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen in a long time.

I hope you haven't been getting all your information from a Youtube video, made up your mind, then found other people who reaffirm that opinion (likely others who have seen the video) and taken that it's fact. Do try to look at both sides of the debate, will you? Jumping to conclusions based on half the story is... well it's not exactly smart.

And if you found out about this via Youtube and made your mind up on the spot then I beg you to stop doing that.

So, that's ACTA. It's a treaty, and not a bill. It's also not as bad as people are making it out to be.

Oh, I think this is an important part of the article to point out.

Key point here. The treaty clearly states that it does not, and can not, make countries infringe their own civil liberties and rights in pursuance of the agreement. Again, it is up to the public to make sure their legislators deal with this fairly.

See? Now can we all calm down? Of course, be sure to read the entire article because it does address, (calmly I might add), potential issues that might occur.

Thank you Andy of Comix Inc for having the guts to actually think and get the whole story, instead of succumbing to fear-mongering and sensationalism.

 

[Vegosiux]

It's called trusting the people that govern Earth.

Now why would you want to do a silly thing like that?

I sure wouldn't trust myself to govern Earth and I'm one of the most trustworthy people I know...

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Obama proves irreversibly and forever that he is a real piece of shit who just doesn't give a fuck and has SIGNED ACTA: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/10/us-signs-international-anti-piracy-accord.ars

I know Ireland has signed ACTA too, haven't heard about any other countries as of yet, but it's so late in the game by now that even if we knew we couldn't stop it.

So congratulations everyone! Our combined apathy and inattentiveness has completely fuced over the internet we love and enjoy.

All we can hope to do now is damage control, and stop the Trans-Pacific Parternership, WHICH IS EVEN WORSE THAN ACTA: http://www.ustr.gov/tpp
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110105/02301112524/son-acta-worse-meet-tpp-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement.shtml

And, although it goes without saying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA

It is not over here in the States! D:

IT HAS TO PASS CONGRESS TO BE LAW HERE!!!!!!

WE SHALL FIGHT IT IN THE HOUSE! WE WILL FIGHT IT IN THE SENATE!

But sadly... I cannot say the same for the other nations, I don't know how treaties become law in those nations.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

"Oh noes, teh guvermunts iz tryin to taek awai mah toruntz n ileegul downlodes, FUCKING PANIC IN THE STREETS."

This is what you are doing. Stop it. Now. You look incredibly silly. And it's not because of your hat. It's because you're a douche.

Actually you look quite ridiculous if think this is just about the internet and how how little you know about the 3 year running trade agreement.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

This bill can't mean much. It would have been on the news, we would have had more internet blackouts and I'm pretty sure anonymous would have something to say about it too .

They already have against Irish sites.

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Jesus fucking Christ, son, you are actually accusing him of being paid off because he does not feel ACTA is the end of the world?

He does not agree with you and fall into perfect lockstep with your wild and unfocused, thoroughly unresearched and sadly fucking ignorant hyperbole, therefore he is a shill for the MPAA?

Really?

Really?

Here, let's play a game.

Why don't you explain to me what you think ACTA is and does.

I am... fascinated to hear this. Riveted. On the edge of my fucking seat.

before you start typing, though, please keep in mind that I have actually read it. (have you?)

Proceed.

ACTA is the latest attempt by major companies to control and censor what they don't understand and refuse to adapt to. In this case, the internet.

In this case, it is to lobby a gateway treaty to introduce another bill so that it can reach farther places. After the right laws are in place, they'll be able to legally overpower any website that challenges them or gains any support against them. Widening the gap between the lower and higher classes.

It is hardly a new attempt. You know this has been going on for 3 years and it is more than just an internet agreement.

Here's a fantastic post on reddit that should clear up what ACTA actually does and how it'll affect you. Apply critical thinking and you're educated.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/or8ag/ive_read_the_final_version_of_acta_heres_what_you/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzS5rSvZXe8 perhaps this will convince those who are "apathetic." What people don't seem to understand is that much of the piracy is in fact supported and distributed by media companies themselves. Yet they are never held responsible for their own actions. Companies like CBS are some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen in a long time.

I hope you haven't been getting all your information from a Youtube video, made up your mind, then found other people who reaffirm that opinion (likely others who have seen the video) and taken that it's fact. Do try to look at both sides of the debate, will you? Jumping to conclusions based on half the story is... well it's not exactly smart.

And if you found out about this via Youtube and made your mind up on the spot then I beg you to stop doing that.

So, that's ACTA. It's a treaty, and not a bill. It's also not as bad as people are making it out to be.

Oh, I think this is an important part of the article to point out.

Key point here. The treaty clearly states that it does not, and can not, make countries infringe their own civil liberties and rights in pursuance of the agreement. Again, it is up to the public to make sure their legislators deal with this fairly.

See? Now can we all calm down? Of course, be sure to read the entire article because it does address, (calmly I might add), potential issues that might occur.

Thank you Andy of Comix Inc for having the guts to actually think and get the whole story, instead of succumbing to fear-mongering and sensationalism.

This is more than just an internet thing as people keep pointing out and scaremongering aside this has the potential for real impact in the pharmaceutical industry as well as having laws actually introduced so it can be enforced. The fact that this has been all hush hush should be enough of a warning to know it is not in our best interests.

Also no need to circle jerk just because you found someone on the internet that agrees with you does not make you or them the bastion of sense. There are real pros and cons to this people fail to see.

 

[Grunt_Man11]

This is more than just an internet thing as people keep pointing out and scaremongering aside this has the potential for real impact in the pharmaceutical industry as well as having laws actually introduced so it can be enforced. The fact that this has been all hush hush should be enough of a warning to know it is not in our best interests.

Also no need to circle jerk just because you found someone on the internet that agrees with you does not make you or them the bastion of sense. There are real pros and cons to this people fail to see.

That's why I encourage reading the whole article. It addresses all concerns the treaty possesses, but does so in a way that doesn't involve rabid, "OMFG, teh interwebs iz ded!!!!!1111111 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!111111", ignorance.

ACTA is not as bad, for the internet, as SOPA was. However, there's nothing wrong with vigilance, (especially since, as you and others have stated, ACTA goes beyond the virtual realm of the internet). Just don't let it de-evolve into sensational paranoia.

I'm just asking people like the OP to calm down and think a little before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Jodah]

ive been mentioning in all the stop acta threads that people are 3 months to late to stop it but apparently people would just prefer to ignore that little stumbling block

Yeah, I've given up on ACTA. I've moved on to the bill that is disguised as a child porn bill.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

So, i personally just need to know this, after reading the Reddit post and getting a good feel for it. Am I, someone who might want to travel on a flight across the border or something, at a high risk of them searching my computer and iPod? Am I going to get massively screwed every time I wanna leave the country?

It completely depends on the laws of the country you travel to. If you just assume that the laws will be the same as in your home country, you are opening yourself to a world of hurt.

Uh, say I wanna fly to the States, while I live in Canada?

 

[newwiseman]

I thought we covered the "Treaties Are Not Laws" lesson in this class before I left for summer.

 

[Keava]

This bill can't mean much. It would have been on the news, we would have had more internet blackouts and I'm pretty sure anonymous would have something to say about it too .

That's because ACTA was kept in secret from public opinion and various NGOs throughout the whole process, and only got revealed by Wikileaks year ago. After initial outrage from big part of internet, they returned to working on it in same manner as before.
The whole signing process was voted for in EU in last year, the report on it was published on 48th page of a report about state of fishing in EU, so no one even looked there.

Anonymous does something about that. There is a relatievely new post on AnonOps, they recently DDoSed few sites as well. Thing is governments like to keep it quiet and media follow.

No. ACTA is not same as SOPA. It's very different but still very dangerous way of influencing law by big companies. It's another attempt of controlling trade and exchange by few big players on the market. It's also another attempt of tracking what people do on the internet, among other things.

 

[Hunter15]

Gentleman
its been an honor to blog and comment with you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLcZ5Rk3Lg&feature=related

 

[Tommeh Brownleh]

Honestly I can't really fight this battle anymore. The media companies are refusing to adapt, and politely asking isn't going to work. They have enough money to shove these through as quickly as possible, and if this doesn't work, they're pulling every dirty trick in the book with the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act. We may be in the right here, but being on the good guy's side doesn't always mean you'll win. I give up.