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Look at 90% of the posts in this thread. most of them either don't understand what ACTA is or are conspiracy theorists. "Trusting DA GUBMNT" isn't going to happen.
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Look at 90% of the posts in this thread. most of them either don't understand what ACTA is or are conspiracy theorists. "Trusting DA GUBMNT" isn't going to happen.
If this was an issue of corporations controlling free speech, I'd be against it. Of course I would. But this isn't. It's countries of the world slamming down on illegal trade practices . How is... how is this bad?! THERE'S NO CENSORSHIP INVOLVED! IN THE SLIGHTEST!! THE MPAA...EverythingIncredible said:
...yes. I'm rolling around in checks right now. The MPAA paid me really well, to speak out for this treaty that doesn't affect them in the slightest.
Umm... yes. Copyright law (for individuals) is good. Very good. As someone who creates my own material, I like actually owning my IP. It's where my income comes from. So I can afford to eat 'n shit.w00tage said:
Copyright for corporations might not be so hot, but that's something we'll have to deal with, and when they lash out as with SOPA and PIPA, we slap them back down. International copyright law is great. Mostly. By breaking down borders it means that the few people who don't already abide to trade laws (mostly places like China and Korea), it simply means they have an obligation to do something about infingements. That's a good thing.
Look? Guys? Will you all please calm down. Some of you are calm. That's awesome. You're all brilliant. Some of you are predicting the doom of everything you hold precious, though.
I want you all to do several things for me.
One: read the treaty itself. Throw out everything you already know if you haven't read it; just throw it all away, and read the treaty. It's likely not as bad as you think of it.
Two: If someone disagrees with your point on it, reason with them. I was accused of being bribed by the MPAA, a corporation that I associate with Dick Dastardly. That wasn't good reasoning. That was delusion. I didn't enjoy that, and their opinion was rendered void thusly.
Three: Please... stop assuming everything is evil. People are assuming that SOPA/PIPA are following onto ACTA, like it's a trend of four-lettered ending-in-"A" laws that will impede on their freedoms. SOPA and PIPA were bad apples that were going to ruin the internet forever. ACTA... not so much. It's not brilliant, it makes things harsher on law abiding citizens and it's worded vaguely enough to make that an issue. But it's not evil.
...I know, I KNOW, that people saying dumb, uneducated things on the internet is the norm. But we are discussing international politics here. Would it kill you to do your own research that didn't involve watching bloggers talk about it on Youtube? Some of you have, of course, and are siding against ACTA for well thought-out, good reasons. Others have taken a neutral stance. Some agree with it. I'm neutral to the treaty for now, of course; until its affects are actually become near enough to be called "impending" with a straight face, I'll watch and see where it goes. It's nowhere near finalized and the sentiments behind it are fair.
But I can see reasons to be both for and against this treaty, and the way it was handled and presented. If you don't, however, take some initiative and do your own research, make up your own mind, you'll come off as a screaming lunatic. This isn't a LOT that I ask. It's mostly common sense. We're discussing a fairly serious topic here and those of you who are screaming from the rooftops will only go to exasperate the desperation further. We need to be cool and calm and collected. I do hope you can deal with that.
To everyone who's done their research and is speaking from an educated viewpoint: thank you so, so much, for treating this important topic with the respect and care it deserves.
I want you all to do several things for me.
One: read the treaty itself. Throw out everything you already know if you haven't read it; just throw it all away, and read the treaty. It's likely not as bad as you think of it.
Two: If someone disagrees with your point on it, reason with them. I was accused of being bribed by the MPAA, a corporation that I associate with Dick Dastardly. That wasn't good reasoning. That was delusion. I didn't enjoy that, and their opinion was rendered void thusly.
Three: Please... stop assuming everything is evil. People are assuming that SOPA/PIPA are following onto ACTA, like it's a trend of four-lettered ending-in-"A" laws that will impede on their freedoms. SOPA and PIPA were bad apples that were going to ruin the internet forever. ACTA... not so much. It's not brilliant, it makes things harsher on law abiding citizens and it's worded vaguely enough to make that an issue. But it's not evil.
...I know, I KNOW, that people saying dumb, uneducated things on the internet is the norm. But we are discussing international politics here. Would it kill you to do your own research that didn't involve watching bloggers talk about it on Youtube? Some of you have, of course, and are siding against ACTA for well thought-out, good reasons. Others have taken a neutral stance. Some agree with it. I'm neutral to the treaty for now, of course; until its affects are actually become near enough to be called "impending" with a straight face, I'll watch and see where it goes. It's nowhere near finalized and the sentiments behind it are fair.
But I can see reasons to be both for and against this treaty, and the way it was handled and presented. If you don't, however, take some initiative and do your own research, make up your own mind, you'll come off as a screaming lunatic. This isn't a LOT that I ask. It's mostly common sense. We're discussing a fairly serious topic here and those of you who are screaming from the rooftops will only go to exasperate the desperation further. We need to be cool and calm and collected. I do hope you can deal with that.
To everyone who's done their research and is speaking from an educated viewpoint: thank you so, so much, for treating this important topic with the respect and care it deserves.
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And actually Sentence C is complete gibberish. Tu, plas, ekwals aren't real words, therefore there was nothing correct about sentence C.TheVioletBandit said:
And I'm going to have with [user]xvbones[/user] on this one; it's the constant boy-cries-wolf that has people not caring about politics. They just get so tired of dealing with people over exaggerating the impact of legislation that it's not worth it to pay attention since life won't be changed for the most part. Why do you think it took so long for SOPA protests to get started? Because people had just been bombarded by over-zealous fools who didn't know what they were talking about, and how the new NDAA is going to turn America into a fascist police state when SURPRISE! Nothing happened[footnote]Just like with the Patriot Act[/footnote].
Well. Fuck.
This is just saddening news, our rights are being taken away from us slowly.
NDAA, ACTA, what next?
This is just saddening news, our rights are being taken away from us slowly.
NDAA, ACTA, what next?
What with SOPA etc messing with the internet and Cameron doing his best to close libraries all over the UK, anyone like to join my conspiracy theory that world leaders know that a dumb, uneducated population is more easily controlled and, on a side note, that's how Simon Cowell, Piers Morgan and Jeremy Kyle get so much airtime despite no-one I know having a good word for any of them?Akimoto said:
What concerns me most about SOPA, and in fact most new laws is they keep seeming to push them thru with gaping holes in, meaning they can just screw around and do what they like.
Look how the 'necessary powers' brought in by anti terrorism laws were being used on peaceful protests for example, or even just on groups of 3 teenagers to make them move along.
The terrorists supposedly hate us for our freedoms, damn, we should send em a map with Sweden and Holland marked on it, we'd never hear from them again.
ACTA's good. Jesus people stop getting your opinions from conspiracy theory videos. It in itself doesn't even do anything more than our current copyright laws do. This is a good first step in trying to combat piracy on the global scale it runs.
I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.
You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.
I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.
You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.
Maybe you and a lot of people don't understand what this could potentially mean. ACTA basically means they find copyright they have the right to shut down detain and fine the people who caused it and also the people who allowed it to happen. Youtube is full of copyright do you guys not understand that they can use ACTA to arrest people who put up games ect on youtube? What about megaupload, how do you think the FBI got the right to shut them down. They were a major piracy source and they where charged and fined for it they are also going through and looking at the files and uploaders and may be potentially charging them. Lets face it this way, ACTA will equal the end of all file sharing sites the end to youtube and video sites and they will also charge anything copyrighted. Google will most likely have censors in places so they won't get charged. Copyrighted photos being posted on facebook could result in charges. Your ISP will have to watch you a lot more now and report following violations to where you will get charged fined and possibly arrested. SO how the hell is ACTA not bad? someone explain how its not bad because all you guys think about is "Oh piracy being handled not the end of interwebz, TY GOVERNMENT" no did you guys take the time to think of these possible outcomes? Idc if this is my first post here this needs to be said because no one else thought of how this effected the whole internet entirely. So even if we are late this still could be a potential end to the internet in less the governments done all this just to troll us, which i highly doubt. So tell me again where is the goodnesss in this bill? Oh thats right no where -_- please think of what this bill is taking from us before you pronounce it good. For those who read this thank those who don't are missing out on what this could do if the government fully enforces this.Awexsome said:
But we do need your poop, because the milk from the cow was only paid for temporarily you see. And it also contained cameras, and you agreed to being spied upon by drinking the milk, and now we can sell that data to whomsoever we wish.Akimoto said:
If my country signs it consider me onboard.SenseOfTumour said:
.. you just had to bring that up. Now I can never look at poop normally. But as for milk being temporary, what shall we call the new law? I suggest Milk And Dairy Consumption Act Temporary Status or MADCATS.maxmanrules said:
Cookies for those who get it.
He signed it, doesn't mean it passed.
Last I checked Obama over stepped his bounds when he did anyway, and has the senate pissed. Besides there is no way American companies would allow China free reign to police copy right laws.
As with Sopa, one the majority of the public gets wind of this the response will be to loud to ignore.
Last I checked Obama over stepped his bounds when he did anyway, and has the senate pissed. Besides there is no way American companies would allow China free reign to police copy right laws.
As with Sopa, one the majority of the public gets wind of this the response will be to loud to ignore.
Obviously the guy in charge of looking at it for the EU thinks it's a good thing, not....
"In an unprecedented move, the French European Parliament member assigned to monitor the treaty proceedings, Kader Arif, resigned in protest at the signings, and issued a strongly worded rebuke, saying that the EU was trying to have as little public debate on ACTA as possible, and that right-wing groups were trying to ram it into law with no oversight.
?This agreement might have major consequences on citizens' lives, and still, everything is being done to prevent the European Parliament from having its say in this matter. That is why today, as I release this report for which I was in charge, I want to send a strong signal and alert the public opinion about this unacceptable situation. I will not take part in this masquerade,? he said."
From: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/27/eu_signs_acta/
"In an unprecedented move, the French European Parliament member assigned to monitor the treaty proceedings, Kader Arif, resigned in protest at the signings, and issued a strongly worded rebuke, saying that the EU was trying to have as little public debate on ACTA as possible, and that right-wing groups were trying to ram it into law with no oversight.
?This agreement might have major consequences on citizens' lives, and still, everything is being done to prevent the European Parliament from having its say in this matter. That is why today, as I release this report for which I was in charge, I want to send a strong signal and alert the public opinion about this unacceptable situation. I will not take part in this masquerade,? he said."
From: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/27/eu_signs_acta/
Ok i said prove me wrong you have yet to do this and you call it a conspiracy theory? i figured this out on my own with a little thought. Why do you think megaupload was shut down? when it happened i heard about this a few days later I still know mediafire ect are gonna end if megaupload was taken down. With megaupload megavideo ect was taken so how could youtube not be a possible one that will be taken down due to copyright such as anime ect. If these companies want it bad enough they are going to take down anything that belongs to them. Anime is a major pirated thing seeing as its posted in many different video sites. Youtube has so many videos and anime related copyright how could that not be a possible target for ACTA? If you don't think so look at how many AMV's are on youtube thats double copyright music and anime footage. anyway heres the facts i came up with and the real possibilities of this bill and you can't say my fact is wrong because how else could they just suddenly take out megaupload after all this time then a mysterious new bill arises as the new sopa/pipa replacement. Please disprove my theory and logic and I'll let this go.Awexsome said:
