ACTA Vs Anonymous

[Yelchor]

I have little insight in how Anonymous operates. Regardless of their intentions and methods freedom of speech and exchange of information should be a non-negotiable right protected by everyone. Without it goverments and corporations can keep us in the shadow while they operate freely outside the law.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but most of the Youtube videos here have been blocked for me or taken down. Mostly by Sony. Has it already started?

There should be more organisations like Wikileaks if you ask me. On a daily basis goverments and corporations hide information while trying to gain influence by propaganda, uncaring for the rights of the people or terrible consequences that may be caused by their doings.

We need to start working for a honest society!

 

[Isolda Sage]

Speaking as someone who HAS gotten violent over political issues ( and others );
I can say that if the "battle" isn't won first on a PR front, the forces one may face arrayed against them may be insurmountable.
To use an example if i may, the "South African" police and paramiltary organizations never LOST an engagement - but they lost the "war" because of world opinion.
This is why we riot when we know it is tactically a lost cause ( the 'win' is stealing a tactical victory and then leaving before it escalates to seeing if ex-marine snipers ara better than the police snipers ).
I know too many people more professional than I ever was, who work "Low Intensity Combat".
Trust me, trust them - you don't want to be on the side of an insurrection in the modern era.

The only way to win an "unwinnable" battle? Maneuver around it.
Understand that if you engage in violence without being seen as "right" and "in self-defense", you only harm your cause. So, back to my beginning - if you'd fight for your freedom you have to "win" the PR battle for "right" first.

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Here,here! Your point about the PR battle needing to be the first victory is a good one! I sure hope it goes down that way.

 

[ninjajoeman]

who ever wins the internet loses

I wouldn't think so. Anon may have very questionable tactics and judgements but they don't ruin the internet. In fact sometimes its fairly refreshing to see all the trolls and questionables from /b/ somewhat unite without any leader or official direction. I don't think anon has the firepower to do anything alone but they can certainly start the wheel rolling back this bill.

see I was doing the joke that whoever wins we loses but ok.

 

[Wicky_42]

Go go EU for actually standing up to ACTA's secrecy. The US ought to sit up and remember that Democracy isn't doing what the guys with money tell you to - that's tyranny. Or Monarchy, I guess...

 

[Badger Kyre]

Go go EU for actually standing up to ACTA's secrecy. The US ought to sit up and remember that Democracy isn't doing what the guys with money tell you to - that's tyranny. Or Monarchy, I guess...

It's actually "Oligarchy", which republics ( like the US and Rome )have a natural tendency to change into.
a democratically elected republic still has the political tendencies of a republic.

The salient point here is that even a democratically elected "elite" are in danger of perceiving themselves as such (elite) and of having interests more in common with "special interests" - other entities such as corporations or even other nations - than with their constituents.

 

[teh buttpickle]

Anybody know if the U.S. is for sure signing this, and if so, when?

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

If Anonymous is on it, we're in good hands... They know how to get shit done. Anyone against ACTA is a friend of mine.

 

[DaggerOfCompassion]

People overestimate the power of anon and /b/. Anon has died, we need to revive the old anon. Once that is done, ATCA cannot pass. At this moment all that stands left of "Anon" is /b/. i.e. a bunch of newfag scriptkiddies.

 

[ANImaniac89]

I'm not going to get that worried over ACTA just yet,yeah I am ageist it all the way but If ACTA does happen then We'll have so many other things to look forward to in our doomed future. like when the government starts forcefully implanting GPS chips in us by withholding food rations and tell me this is not within a possible realm of possibility in a post ACTA united world, I mean hell its the next logical step for them.

 

[Bigsmith]

I havent seen this video on The Escapist yet.

 

[EnACTA]

Despite the collective decisions and amorality contained in the actions of Anonymous, all aformentioned actions are notable examples of Internet freedom and freedom of Human choice/humour.

These things are to be furthered by (us.)

ACTA threatens all freedom of information sources located on the Web.

Even this website, could be threatened by ACTA; copyright holders need provide no proof of infringement/violation of said copyright belonging to said holder, they need only make three accusations that contain enough convincing lies to pass their case and have someone permanently b& from the Internet by their ISP, fined, and/or arrested/served jail time.

Thank you.

 

[EnACTA]

People overestimate the power of anon and /b/. Anon has died, we need to revive the old anon. Once that is done, ATCA cannot pass. At this moment all that stands left of "Anon" is /b/. i.e. a bunch of newfag scriptkiddies.

There is an astounding difference between the modern/current collective of /b/ and the collective that forms the insurgency; resources are split and interconnected through more than just trolls from 4chan.

 

[EnACTA]

Oh great, Anonymous are convincing the mainstream corporations even further that the internet cannot be trusted.

This is not the intention nor the goal of the "collective" (quote/unquote). The insurgency cares not how mainstream corporations perceive the atmosphere/personality of the Web.

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement is inimical to freedom of choice and information.
It is devoid of truth/good purpose in regards to the mainstream public/people.

We, as others, know that the mainstream public will not take censorship on such a massive scale quietly or lightly.

 

[EnACTA]

Hopefully this doesn't end like Chanology did...you know, with a couple thousand guys in Guy Fawkes masks standing in the rain for a few hours...and then doing nothing else...

If you've actually seen /b/ recently, most people don't seem to be up for any ACTA raids, though it could just be the summerfags.

I'm hoping they actually follow through with this attack on ACTA and don't stop after a few protests like they did with Scientology. It's not like they can make things any worse...right?

Also, you seem to have missed a fairly recent attack on this whole "Tea Party" business. The Escapist actually has an article by Andy Chalk on it.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102426-Anonymous-Punishes-the-Oregon-Tea-Party

This attack has nothing to do with the hordes of /b/; that is different from the insurgency itself.

Anonymous. The power of the internet that no one dares to fight. I like them, they're who people seem to turn to when someone threatens the internet. Look at the original ACTA thread, I can assure you at l person said Anonymous would sort out the problem. Whether they succeed or not is something I wish to see.

Well, the reason why I'm not sure if they can on their own, is largely because of the money involved. Let's say that they managed to do something even more effective than they did to Australia. Rather than taking down their internet for most practical purposes for an hour, they manage to pretty much immobilize the online activities of every nation on that list. Obama is getting non-stop Goatse in his private e-mail, federal coorespondance from all those nations winds up publically posted on 4chan, nearly every goverment official is getting their e-mail spam bombed, ad infinium.

None of that would stop them from passing the law, they don't need the internet to do it, and a lot of what this law does regulates physical trade as much as anything. The internet stuff is only one aspect of it (albiet a big one), and all these companies have tons of money they stand to make.

There are limits to how long Anonymous could keep everything locked down if they got that far, and in the end that level of harassment might be embarassing but is nothing compared to the fortunes at stake.

The only way I could see Anonymous winning is if it could somehow rally enough people to take IRL action against the goverment. Put the politicians in fear of their jobs if they don't stop the law, or repeal it, and that might work, of course they also might not care if they are getting big enough industry pay outs where they figure they can just retire to some cabin somewhere to live in the lap of luxury with no internet or whatever.

I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but from where I'm sitting this law seems to be so big in a corperate and monetary sense, that like similar things throughout history the only way to stop it would be armed insurrection... and by this I don't mean terrorism, I mean a literal "people storm the capitol, remove the officials, and hold a new election" type insurrection.

I could be wrong about this, as I have a tendency to overreact when I'm angry. As a group Anonymous seems a lot smarter than I am though, so I am hoping they already thought all of this through (including what I'm talking about) and had a game plan in mind before they basically declared war on the western world.

We are going further than trolling and personal disparagement in order to send the message that ACTA threatens personal freedom; we intend to send a message above all else, to the mainstream public with our efforts.

 

[Erttheking]

Anon, STOP! YOU ARE NOT FUCKING HELPING US AT ALL!

 

[JesterRaiin]

Anon, STOP! YOU ARE NOT FUCKING HELPING US AT ALL!

First of all, congrats on successful resurrection of dead thread.

Second...

Anonymous doesn't help ? Then who ? Who helps us - people threatened by ACTA ? And how ?

3/4 of world almost shat itself while trying to erect some barricades against SOPA, because USA, Internet censorships, "we the users", "we who are the Internet", "we", "us", "our" and stuff. There were plenty of high-fives, joy, happy parades and stuff. Good times.

However, i don't see legions rushing to fight against ACTA. There are no big campaigns, no Internet celebrities against ACTA, no stickers and groups supporting the struggle. I feel that with the exception of Anonymous and local users nobody does anything in this case.

Such is life in Soviet Europe...

 

[Erttheking]

Anon, STOP! YOU ARE NOT FUCKING HELPING US AT ALL!

First of all, congrats on successful resurrection of dead thread.

Second...

Anonymous doesn't help ? Then who ? Who helps us - people threatened by ACTA ? And how ?

3/4 of world almost shat itself while trying to erect some barricades against SOPA, because USA, Internet censorships, "we the users", "we who are the Internet", "we", "us", "our" and stuff. There were plenty of high-fives, joy, happy parades and stuff. Good times.

However, i don't see legions rushing to fight against ACTA. There are no big campaigns, no Internet celebrities against ACTA, no stickers and groups supporting the struggle. I feel that with the exception of Anonymous and local users nobody does anything in this case.

Such is life in Soviet Europe...

Buddy, attacking websites and the whatnot only proves to people that the internet is a cesspool of criminals that needs to be controlled, we took out SOPA and PIPA through LEGAL means, these self proclaimed heroes are being counter productive to our efforts. Also this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ&list=LL2kwv1foonXROwDo_85hFLg&index=1&feature=plpp_video

Also I searched for threads that were related to ACTA after someone commented on it in the SOPA thread, I didn't see the date.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Anon, STOP! YOU ARE NOT FUCKING HELPING US AT ALL!

First of all, congrats on successful resurrection of dead thread.

Second...

Anonymous doesn't help ? Then who ? Who helps us - people threatened by ACTA ? And how ?

3/4 of world almost shat itself while trying to erect some barricades against SOPA, because USA, Internet censorships, "we the users", "we who are the Internet", "we", "us", "our" and stuff. There were plenty of high-fives, joy, happy parades and stuff. Good times.

However, i don't see legions rushing to fight against ACTA. There are no big campaigns, no Internet celebrities against ACTA, no stickers and groups supporting the struggle. I feel that with the exception of Anonymous and local users nobody does anything in this case.

Such is life in Soviet Europe...

Buddy, attacking websites and the whatnot only proves to people that the internet is a cesspool of criminals that needs to be controlled, we took out SOPA and PIPA through LEGAL means, these self proclaimed heroes are being counter productive to our efforts. Also this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ&list=LL2kwv1foonXROwDo_85hFLg&index=1&feature=plpp_video

Also I searched for threads that were related to ACTA after someone commented on it in the SOPA thread, I didn't see the date.

Partner, your country was built on fire and revolution by no means legal. Your fatherland seldom hesitated to chose violence over diplomacy if it seemed like a better solution. Of all people in the world you should know that sometimes you fight from within the system and sometimes you attack the system itself.

As for ACTA - look at the dates. You're referring to things older than "last Thursday" meme.

There's no global campaign against ACTA.
And thank God for the small movements whatever they may be.

 

[Erttheking]

Anon, STOP! YOU ARE NOT FUCKING HELPING US AT ALL!

First of all, congrats on successful resurrection of dead thread.

Second...

Anonymous doesn't help ? Then who ? Who helps us - people threatened by ACTA ? And how ?

3/4 of world almost shat itself while trying to erect some barricades against SOPA, because USA, Internet censorships, "we the users", "we who are the Internet", "we", "us", "our" and stuff. There were plenty of high-fives, joy, happy parades and stuff. Good times.

However, i don't see legions rushing to fight against ACTA. There are no big campaigns, no Internet celebrities against ACTA, no stickers and groups supporting the struggle. I feel that with the exception of Anonymous and local users nobody does anything in this case.

Such is life in Soviet Europe...

Buddy, attacking websites and the whatnot only proves to people that the internet is a cesspool of criminals that needs to be controlled, we took out SOPA and PIPA through LEGAL means, these self proclaimed heroes are being counter productive to our efforts. Also this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ&list=LL2kwv1foonXROwDo_85hFLg&index=1&feature=plpp_video

Also I searched for threads that were related to ACTA after someone commented on it in the SOPA thread, I didn't see the date.

Partner, your country was built on fire and revolution by no means legal. Your fatherland seldom hesitated to chose violence over diplomacy if it seemed like a better solution. Of all people in the world you should know that sometimes you fight from within the system and sometimes you attack the system itself.

As for ACTA - look at the dates. You're referring to things older than "last Thursday" meme.

There's no global campaign against ACTA.
And thank God for the small movements whatever they may be.

In the American Revolution, they attempted every kind of peaceful movement possible before resorting to violence, and even then, in the crossfire, innocent people got hurt. SOPA got taken down peacefully, so can this, this site is starting to talk about it

 

[JesterRaiin]

Partner, your country was built on fire and revolution by no means legal. Your fatherland seldom hesitated to chose violence over diplomacy if it seemed like a better solution. Of all people in the world you should know that sometimes you fight from within the system and sometimes you attack the system itself.

As for ACTA - look at the dates. You're referring to things older than "last Thursday" meme.

There's no global campaign against ACTA.
And thank God for the small movements whatever they may be.

In the American Revolution, they attempted every kind of peaceful movement possible before resorting to violence, and even then, in the crossfire, innocent people got hurt. SOPA got taken down peacefully, so can this, this site is starting to talk about it

Sorry man, i have my experience with you guys forgetting about some less happy episodes from your own history, like, for example American Indian Wars or Civil War, but this doesn't mean there weren't any. As i said before - you've built your power on fire and revolution. Yes, before the Declaration there was the history too and it wasn't exactly nice...

If you know a little about history, then you should be aware that bloodshed is sometimes inevitable. Especially if one side doesn't want to talk, and that's exactly what's happening in this whole anti-piracy crusade. Pirates or law abiding users, we are all treated like scum here. I don't know how about you but i wouldn't call that the most professional approach.

What site you're referring to as "this" ? YT ? The Escapist ?
Once more check dates please.