ACTA Vs Anonymous

[Wardnath]

ACTA will lose.

Somehow, I doubt that.

My thoughts exactly. Every odious law needs an even more odious reason why "there ought to be a law" in order to pass public scrutiny, and Anonymous provides the ideal means to sanction a crackdown.

Anonymous, and 4chan, and Greater Internet Fuckwads in general are exactly why the Internet would probably benefit from a police state.

wat

 

[Life_Is_A_Mess]

ACTA will lose.

Somehow, I doubt that.

They can't be the kings of the world. If the Internetz fight back, we won't get sued on thousands of dollars/euros for downloading a music. I think ACTA don't know what they're dealing with. They only care about the money.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

ACTA will fail.
Anonymous will fail.

They call it a revoloution because it just goes round in circles.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Hopefully Anonymous will win this. Honestly, anyone siding with $cientology is literally asking for trouble. I can't wait to see the results of this!

 

[oranger]

My opinion on the subject is mixed.

I agree that something needs to be done here. The scary thing is that I do not think this battle can be won only over the Internet itself.

What's more, as strong as Anonymous might be, I notice that China seems to have so far failed to suffer their wrath very much at all given that they have been some of the worst offenders with information control. I'm guessing largely because there is little that can be done against China purely online, and what's more any actions from within China risk getting someone tortured and/or killed. The nations they are calling out are ones that arguably have civil liberties policies they can exploit, and where they know the techniques used to root them out will be limited. Perhaps I missed it, but I had been waiting to see if they would do anything to China the way they tried to make a point with Australia, but so far nothing has materialized.

That said, my own nation (the USA) seems to be involved and does need to be stopped, especially seeing is this is the exact opposite of what it's supposed to stand for.

I am hoping that at the very least Anonymous can rally the people of the US, either in sufficient numbers to cause the goverment to withdraw from this, or if the need arises and the goverment is unresponsive, to make use of our "right to keep and bear arms" since that is exactly what it's for. Forget impeachment, if down the road the only way to protect free speech in this country is for the people to march on their own elected officials and forcibly remove them, that's what needs to happen. Perhaps Anonymous will succeed in putting enough pressure on the goverment where it will not come to that though.

You would be surprised how many people fight the corruption that is the PRC anonymously. Its just that the PRC has unlimited money and slave labor to throw at opponents, and is very powerful.

 

[Double A]

Anonymous. We hate them, but we need them. Effective, powerful, And with some pretty respectable stated goals and causes... but they're kind of... well, scary. They see to be... well, inflated on their own power.

I find it a little depressing that we're falling back on these guys for help. I have no doubt they'll make a good stand, even if I do disagree with them. But why is Anonymous holding the flagstaff here? this will fuck over any number of regular, average Internet users, and nowadays that can include almost anyone in the Western World. Why isn't there some sort of furious bout of shit-flinging going down? Why aren't "regular" people standing up against this?

Anonymous. We hate them, but we need them. Effective, powerful, And with some pretty respectable stated goals and causes... but they're kind of... well, scary. They see to be... well, inflated on their own power.

I find it a little depressing that we're falling back on these guys for help. I have no doubt they'll make a good stand, even if I do disagree with them. But why is Anonymous holding the flagstaff here? this will fuck over any number of regular, average Internet users, and nowadays that can include almost anyone in the Western World. Why isn't there some sort of furious bout of shit-flinging going down? Why aren't "regular" people standing up against this?

I told a guy at school about this, and even said his Internet would cost more. He didn't pay attention at all.

About 30 minutes later in class (this was Honors US history, my first period) we were talking about the Constitution, and I said "privacy was a right." My history teacher told me, that if you take the Constitution literally, it isn't, only unreasonable searches were, but privacy was implied. Some time later, someone brought that right up, and I mentioned ACTA.

I don't think anyone but the really smart blind kid even paid attention to us talking. And this was the middle of class.

That's it, I'm buying a fucking Guy Fawkes mask and a Wrong Tee.

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

An anarchic conglomeration, decentralized, but galvanized by the singular cause of challenging legalistic/limited visions of correct human behavior?

Huh...

Let me think on that.

 

[Guttural Engagement]

As for my opinion on what ACTA actually is, a very clever large-scale trolling of the internet by my /b/rothers.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that too... and it sounds reasonable.

But if it is true...

Well, if it is true; I'm safe. Because Canada kicks ass, freedom of privacy and information and expression rights ftw.

 

[Double A]

As for my opinion on what ACTA actually is, a very clever large-scale trolling of the internet by my /b/rothers.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that too... and it sounds reasonable.

But if it is true...

Well, if it is true; I'm safe. Because Canada kicks ass, freedom of privacy and information and expression rights ftw.

Canada's in on it too.

Check Wikipedia. The article is locked, so it's not trollage.

 

[Badger Kyre]

As ridiculous as this may sound, who is Anonymous?

Here would be the short history/explanation.

I am watching this with keen interest - this is exactly what i was looking for.

Thank you profusely.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

As ridiculous as this may sound, who is Anonymous?

Here would be the short history/explanation.

I am watching this with keen interest - this is exactly what i was looking for.

Thank you profusely.

No problem man.

 

[BenzSmoke]

In my eyes the government has no right to pass ACTA without the consent of the governed.

 

[Mariakitten]

Oh Anonymous you never disappoint to deliver your own bizarre brand of internet vigilanteism.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Rofl Oprah got pwnd

But this situation is touchy. On the left we have the ACTA. On the left we have Anonymous. Do I want to surrender my right to privacy, or do I want to be stuck in with (essentialy) cyber terrorists?

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

But if there's one strength "Anonymous" has it is strength in numbers that puts the Zerg to shame. I only hope that this works in our favor. Unfortunately I'm yet to hear any actual plans to resist ACTA.

cyber bullying, protests, viral attack, maybe some real worl terroism as the date gets closer.

 

[Zer_]

I must side with Anonymous here. The Internet has always been a bastion of freedom, and taking that away is like taking the soul away from the internet.

 

[Del-Toro]

Atta boy anon.

Something tells me this isn't going to be passing in Canada. The current government is hanging by a thread as it is. If the canadian people found out that they passed a law like this, then the first party to promise to pull out of it would be elected in a heartbeat. How do they expect to enforce this law anyway? It's too many people to enforce against, and it's not as if the ISPs are going to being committing suicide anytime soon . I just don't buy that this is going to be going on. They don't even have enough police for this. Although I guess they can pull some off from finding the rapists and baby killers if they care this much about piracy.

This is why I'm a libertarian, we don't need a bigger, more intrusive government, and if people are going to be telling me that less government means more power for the corporations, think about this: if the government isn't as powerful, then there's less that a special interest can use it for and get from it. Think about it. I mean, just making the state more powerful isn't going to keep the shit disturbers away, because a government is made of people, and giving a person absolute power is a perfect way to corrupt absolutely. I'd rather have the organization of the state itself be a form of corruption damage control by being weak enough to keep the damage under control.

 

[Xiorell]

I aint reading the whole thread, i dont need to.

If you bunch of pussies want things to change, lets get violent about shit... Yeah, words do speak louder than actions.... SOMETIMES. Once in a while peopples gotta physical 'bout shit.

Anyone REALLY tries to take away my freedom, i am gonna rip out thier rib out through thier ass hole

 

[newwiseman]

I hope you all realize that regardless of this treaty being singed or not, the creation of an international treaty merely means that said signing governments will do their best to create national-local laws that are drafted to comply with the stated agreements.

There are already books full of international drug and copyright treaties that are little enforced if at all.

That said, what can the Anonymous masses really accomplish against companies and governments with large interests backing their ideals?

Against Scientology the goal was to annoy and push the bastards into a corner for their need to sue everyone and everything for publicly stating that their beliefs in a science fiction writer as a prophet are garbage.

Against Australia it was to let them know that we will, if nothing else, have our porn.

Here the goal is to let the world know that anonymity and free speech should go hand-in-hand and be protected.

What if anything will actually happen is anyone's guess, since anon is ultimately only as effective as its loudest member.

Any eventual action will likely fall between a synchronized international protest (Guy Fawkes mask optional) and large scale attacks on major ISPs, with billions lost from just halting internet traffic for as little as an hour in some areas.

As always none of this will matter with the coming of the zombies; but you already knew that.

 

[The King of Rock and Roll]

ACTA used eliminate freedom of speech.

It's super effective.

A wild Constitution appears.

ACTA fainted.

That's how it's going to go folks.