ACTA Vs Anonymous

[SenseOfTumour]

To me there's way too much power in something that's seemingly wanting to be an overarching worldwide law.

Also I was watching some old discussions on youtube of US news, and New Orleans came up, and the fact that some of the media was concentrating on the minority of people who were looting stores, and that there was discussion as to whether the police should be allowed to shoot looters on sight. Now, there's thousands homeless and slowly starving who've lost everything, and top priority is protecting the stores (probably already wrecked) merchandise? That's more important than protecting and bringing aid to your own citizens?

I feel this is a similar deal.

With all that's wrong in the world, why now do we need to concentrate on bringing in a law to vastly overreact to the threat of piracy. There's really no other issues higher up the agenda that could be worked on? Sure, sales are down, in the middle of a global recession, and maybe music execs are having to cut down to only a single line of coke at lunch, but I think the comic Alun Cochrane said it best.

'I'm not so sure the decline in sales is even due to the recession, I think, and it's not a widely supported view, I know, but I think, maybe we've all just realised that we've got enough shit. Yes, there's book on how to dress nicely by Gok Wan, dont need it, don't need celeb biographies, don't need a cd of bad cover versions by talent show winners, dont need it, not buying it. That's maybe why global sales are down.'

This law has WAY too much power, and has way too much potential to be abused, and this time they can't even claim that they need more power because otherwise the terrorists win. Also I have to ask, isn't there already laws against piracy? Laws that are utterly destroying individuals who get caught, leaving them with lifetime debts in the hundreds of thousands? Now I'm not saying it should go unpunished, I'm saying if you steal a CD, or download it, the punishment should be similar. I don't see a guy caught by the guard at Walmart having to pay $300,000 for it. But they want MORE power and to be able to give out stronger penalties.

As for Anon, they've got some pretty skilled hackers right? Surely all we need is for them to get into those people's PC who are helping to pass this act, and then deliver the evidence of 3 transgressions of this act to the media, to show just how borderline retarded this is. I only say borderline, beecause actual retards are not as nasty and malicious as this bill and its creators.

It needs to be exposed as corporations buying world leaders to write the law books how they want it, and I don't care how 'tin hat conspiracy theory' that sounds.

 

[ninjajoeman]

who ever wins the internet loses

 

[Distazo]

who ever wins the internet loses

I wouldn't think so. Anon may have very questionable tactics and judgements but they don't ruin the internet. In fact sometimes its fairly refreshing to see all the trolls and questionables from /b/ somewhat unite without any leader or official direction. I don't think anon has the firepower to do anything alone but they can certainly start the wheel rolling back this bill.

 

[AbsoluteVirtue18]

I don't like censorship, but I 'effing hate Anon. So, in all honesty, I wish they would back off.

 

[SimuLord]

Oh great, Anonymous are convincing the mainstream corporations even further that the internet cannot be trusted.

My thoughts exactly. Every odious law needs an even more odious reason why "there ought to be a law" in order to pass public scrutiny, and Anonymous provides the ideal means to sanction a crackdown.

Anonymous, and 4chan, and Greater Internet Fuckwads in general are exactly why the Internet would probably benefit from a police state.

 

[Riccan]

Ok, we have an idiotic law being opposed by idiots. ACTA goes against many laws that are already established. Compounding apon that is the possibility of riots over something like this. Anonymous is nothing more than a nusiance compared to governments, unless they spread the information. This could lead to governments actually wanting to push ahead with such a law to combat anonymous out of some form of damaged pride. Unless people do something outside the internet, or people that have power within the governments do something, we are fucked.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Oh great, Anonymous are convincing the mainstream corporations even further that the internet cannot be trusted.

I pray that Anon does follow through, though. Might actually work for the best.

I still see great potential for disaster here. The moderates in Anon may be trying to fight it legally but the more radical groups could end up committing acts that discredit everyone fighting for Anonymous.

I support their cause but I will not support the more violent methods. I will sign any petition handed in front of me against this act though. I don't want to lose the freedom of the internet I enjoy now.

 

[FightThePower]

Just to point out, the 'three strikes' rule has been taken out of ACTA because the EU didn't like it. I'm behind Anonymous all the way though, even without the three strikes rule it's completely Drakonian.

 

[Callate]

Well, I'm definitely on Anonymous' side on this one. The management of ACTA has been despicable and undemocratic in the extreme. But realistically, what are they going to do? Thus far Anonymous hasn't even made any significant progress against the Church of Scientology, and they're a much easier and goofier target than the United States government.

The best anyone can hope for is a truly grassroots distribution of information regarding ACTA. An organization like Wikileaks could be very helpful in such a regard. If enough people get genuinely incensed, it may be possible to stress the point that trying to end run around whole countries laws' and democratic processes for the sake of a few narrow business interests will be counterprodutive.

Best of luck, Anon, but you're not going to pull this off alone.

 

[Timotei]

Having participated in the Great Habbo Raid of 2007 and the Great Battletoads Raid of 2009, my opinion of Anonymous is fairly well tilted toward the "dark side". I can see how such a thing would easily stir the proverbial soup, and I cannot help but feel a sense of pity for the parties involved with ACTA.

Most of what Anonymous has done in the past was done for the lulz. Can't even imagine what they'd do when they perceive a real threat to their existence

 

[Drexlor]

I just hope that something can take down ACTA.

 

[manaman]

this is anon's biggest undertaking in its history as far as I'm aware. Mostly because ACTA threatens its very existance. I highly doubt this acta thing will pass. It's just too....insane.

So, Go anon!

It doesn't have to pass anything. The secrecy that has surrounded the negotiations, the relative blackout of media coverage all seem very odd. I didn't initially trust the leaked documents a year ago because this just seemed so far off base, like a conspiracy thorists beliefs made real.

Normally in the US treaties usually follow a very different path to ratification. The State Department works with other offices related to the treaty to review the treaty and prepare a recommendation for the president. During this review they ordinarily meet with experts in the related fields for professional insights, and policy considerations.

Once the State Department passes their recommendation to the president they start to prepare the document for submission to the Senate. The presidents staff will then review the prepared documents and add any specific declarations or reservations that need to be made. Usually these are minor adjustments to the treaty to fit into the US legal system.

The documents are submitted to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the committee then sets up any necessary public reviews, hearings, and calling experts in, basically they decided what they need to do to review the treaty these actions are decided by the committee chair.

Now for all of you who are complaining that they can't ratify the treaty because it conflicts with the constitution, well sadly the US follows supremacy doctrine, the treaty outweighs any current laws on the books, and outweighs the constitution itself. In fact a part of the final part of the process is drafting the new legislation and final approval of those drafts.

Oh and the ATCA isn't the only threat rearing it's head. The United states is considering joining the Convention on the Rights of the Child again.

Edit: The real problem with that one is that it was submitted without reservations. It violates the constitution in big ways. The US actually had a huge hand creating the treaty, and signed it, but the Senate did not ratify it. The US did sign and ratify the optional protocols banning child pornography and child prostitution and the sale of children.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Despite how much I like to take an hour out of my day to decipher official speak, can someone sum up this little resolution?

As for Anonymous... The collective unconscious of the internet can do whatever they like but will have to acknowledge that the being the subconscious, the conscious reality of the whole of society is not listening to them. They are at most a niggling annoyance upon society until they pull off some crazy shit like no one has ever seen before.

 

[Skeleton Jelly]

I don't really want this bill the pass, but I'm a regular at 4chan and I can't see them actually succeeding in stopping anything.

Well if they do put their efforts into it, I'm still wanting to know just HOW exactly are they going to stop Scientology and the bill from passing?

Make a petition? Oh well, I hope they succeed either way.

 

[Jenova65]

Anyone else get the feeling we are asking the Krogans for help against the Rachni..............

 

[PatrickXD]

I highly doubted this ACTA thing would pass over a year ago, when information was first leaked. Now it's set to pass next month, Anonymous had better do something fast.

 

[silvermorning624]

=D I quite like the sound of that. They have to tip-toe carefully now, the government now has Oprah!!!!! It was a poor joke, child abuse is not funny. What's more it is likely that Anonymous(and when I speak of one I speak of all, for they are one and the same. The actions of one reflect the actions of all, just like in any organization.) did not even post such a remark, it was some troll doing their business of being a troll. What i don't like is how effective and casually they could start slipping in comments against Anonymous. Little snide remarks about how they are the corrupt ones. If you will notice these are the same tactics used by the Cult of Scientology, when they claimed Anonymous was going to use violence to complete their ends. In truth, they were pointing the finger right back at themselves. A person will throw their weakness in the face of another and claim thee other is to blame. I ask you, should our freedoms be monitored? Should we have to look over our shoulder to make sure we are not offending the "wrong" people? Freedom should be just that.

 

[BlueInkAlchemist]

I know Anonymous doesn't pick sides. I know Anonymous doesn't like us. But they like governments, oppressors, and big rich dumbasses even less. Siding with them, desus and pedobears and all, feels like choosing Chaotic Neutral over Lawful Evil.

 

[etherlance]

could someone please explain to me what it is exactly that Anonymous actually do?