ACTA Vs Anonymous

[SnipErlite]

I'm no great fan of a lot of what anonymous does.

Well actually, quite a bit of it is funny.

And occasionally cruel. But mostly funny.

Yeah I support Anonymous in this...sometimes they do fight for justice

After all, who can actually fight the internet?

 

[Ekonk]

I have to admit I am slightly worried. Protests aren't very common nowadays. It's very likely that ACTA will have - apart from Anonymous - little to no opposing.

 

[Irridium]

I have to admit I am slightly worried. Protests aren't very common nowadays. It's very likely that ACTA will have - apart from Anonymous - little to no opposing.

Its also what the people pushing this are hoping, and trying to minimize any by keeping it such a secret.

 

[Xiorell]

ya know, I think a good "fuck off" to this ACTA thing might be

EVERYONE go off and serch for, and download EVERYTHING that has even slightly caught you're attention over the last... well forever.
This way, there'll be a fuck-ton of seeders for all torrents and thus faster DL times, governments wouldn't possibily lock us all up, if they did try, well we'd ALL be criminals and then we'd have far to much muscles power (literally, the millions of us vs any law enforcement groups, we'd rape them, even unarmed) for them to actually do anything about it, we'd also have the force to just overthrow these fucks for what We want, ya know, THE PEOPLE....
....and now I am really loosing my train of thought but I think you should get me.

"band together, and *****-slap these pricks" is the long and short of it.
I'll do it on my own if you gits won't help, then all internets shall belong to me alone.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

As ridiculous as this may sound, who is Anonymous?

Here would be the short history/explanation.

 

[Cazza]

What Anonymous really need to do to stop the ACTA is to turn known groups/parties like major business and countries againist the ACTA. Let them do the work by cause so much pressure on the ACTA to break down. Other wise they will be a small prick like a little needle instead of a huge blow from an axe.

 

[teqrevisited]

Anon has my full support. I don't want censorship in my internetz.

 

[Communist partisan]

I'm holding my thumbs for Anonymus and I'm on their side but I'm not a 4chaner or have any kind of bussnies whith Anonymus yust to be on the safe side so than shit hits the fan It won't invole me.

 

[omega 616]

Believe me, this thread is so much better when your listening to such an epic song ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc56moy0poA )

OT: I'd really hope that Anonymous wins this one too, as a internet user I think it goes without saying.

Surely, you mean (incase it doesn't work it's RATM - killing in the name of)

Any group that opposes Scientology has my support. I don't know a whole lot about it but it seems to be the very worst bits of religion, with religions polar opposites name, science.

The funny thing is, if everybody stopped paying tax, working and paying fines the entire system would crumble.

Like a commonly quoted film in this thread said "Governments should fear it's people, not people fearing it's government"

 

[Jack and Calumon]

Well, if Public Outcry becomes too great, this law will not become into power. I would post my hopes for them, but they wouldn't see them (/b/ dubbed The Escapist as "Bland.") However, this battle, as it is clear, is something that is about on the same scale as their Scientology battle. This means that they are definitely going to have to go and protest this in public. Peaceful protests mind you. Same as they did before. If they bring the police... well... then things start to go awry, and if the police use violence, that is going to be gold for Anonymous. This "War" they are starting is something which they must act fast. As an interested spectator for what these people do, I am curious about just how much of them are willing to pledge to this...

If there is one in Tamworth, I may just buy myself a few masks.

Calumon: If you leave, don't expect anything in the kitchen to be where it was.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

As much as their humour is distasteful and their morals may not be... existant... I'm siding with Anon here. I'm hoping they shut this thing down, because ACTA can't be good for anyone. I'm on a neutral ground with Anonymous, but ACTA already has me sided so heavily against it that I won't even pass judgment on Anons actions.

ACTA will destroy the internet, or at least the best thing about the internet. Fuck em up Anon, any way you can.

 

[chinangel]

this is anon's biggest undertaking in its history as far as I'm aware. Mostly because ACTA threatens its very existance. I highly doubt this acta thing will pass. It's just too....insane.

So, Go anon!

It doesn't have to pass anything. The secrecy that has surrounded the negotiations, the relative blackout of media coverage all seem very odd. I didn't initially trust the leaked documents a year ago because this just seemed so far off base, like a conspiracy thorists beliefs made real.

Normally in the US treaties usually follow a very different path to ratification. The State Department works with other offices related to the treaty to review the treaty and prepare a recommendation for the president. During this review they ordinarily meet with experts in the related fields for professional insights, and policy considerations.

Once the State Department passes their recommendation to the president they start to prepare the document for submission to the Senate. The presidents staff will then review the prepared documents and add any specific declarations or reservations that need to be made. Usually these are minor adjustments to the treaty to fit into the US legal system.

The documents are submitted to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the committee then sets up any necessary public reviews, hearings, and calling experts in, basically they decided what they need to do to review the treaty these actions are decided by the committee chair.

Now for all of you who are complaining that they can't ratify the treaty because it conflicts with the constitution, well sadly the US follows supremacy doctrine, the treaty outweighs any current laws on the books, and outweighs the constitution itself. In fact a part of the final part of the process is drafting the new legislation and final approval of those drafts.

Oh and the ATCA isn't the only threat rearing it's head. The United states is considering joining the Convention on the Rights of the Child again.

Edit: The real problem with that one is that it was submitted without reservations. It violates the constitution in big ways. The US actually had a huge hand creating the treaty, and signed it, but the Senate did not ratify it. The US did sign and ratify the optional protocols banning child pornography and child prostitution and the sale of children.

It's just that...well this is just too nuts to come to fruitation. THe reason for it is that it will effect about ninety percent (IMO) of computer users, everyone burns DVD's, everyone downloads music, everyone downloads pictures. This will be the equivalent of turning off the internet.

 

[David_G]

>My face when gamers and teenagers think they can change government policy without moving away from the computer

>Implying that the only people on the internet are teenagers
OK, my statement there was partially intended to be taken as a joke, but it's still true. The scientology protests weren't done from in front of the computer screen, people actually went out and did something. However I'm kinda skeptical about this because I've seen threads about this on 4chan and people don't seem interested about it.

 

[Guttural Engagement]

As a /b/tard myself, I'm with anonymous against ACTA. But seeing as how I live in canada, I'm REALLY, SERIOUSLY, NOT WORRIED.

Too many people are making a big deal out of it, any 1st world country would not let this go over in their country; because
1. It's their country and their laws, fuck ACTA if they don't want it
2. 1st world countries (Most of them) have freedom of expression rights, which override ALL of acta


And seriously, how BELIEVABLE does this sound? A global internet cencorship? Yeah it might go over in a few countries, like North Korea, or China, or Australia (They're upside-down, how could it NOT go over??!).

As for my opinion on what ACTA actually is, a very clever large-scale trolling of the internet by my /b/rothers.

 

[lacktheknack]

I'm actually quite afraid that someone's going to get murdered this time around.

I'm gonna duck and cover for a month... then look up. If ACTA got through, I'm off to Antarctica.

 

[manaman]

this is anon's biggest undertaking in its history as far as I'm aware. Mostly because ACTA threatens its very existance. I highly doubt this acta thing will pass. It's just too....insane.

So, Go anon!

It doesn't have to pass anything. The secrecy that has surrounded the negotiations, the relative blackout of media coverage all seem very odd. I didn't initially trust the leaked documents a year ago because this just seemed so far off base, like a conspiracy thorists beliefs made real.

Normally in the US treaties usually follow a very different path to ratification. The State Department works with other offices related to the treaty to review the treaty and prepare a recommendation for the president. During this review they ordinarily meet with experts in the related fields for professional insights, and policy considerations.

Once the State Department passes their recommendation to the president they start to prepare the document for submission to the Senate. The presidents staff will then review the prepared documents and add any specific declarations or reservations that need to be made. Usually these are minor adjustments to the treaty to fit into the US legal system.

The documents are submitted to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the committee then sets up any necessary public reviews, hearings, and calling experts in, basically they decided what they need to do to review the treaty these actions are decided by the committee chair.

Now for all of you who are complaining that they can't ratify the treaty because it conflicts with the constitution, well sadly the US follows supremacy doctrine, the treaty outweighs any current laws on the books, and outweighs the constitution itself. In fact a part of the final part of the process is drafting the new legislation and final approval of those drafts.

Oh and the ATCA isn't the only threat rearing it's head. The United states is considering joining the Convention on the Rights of the Child again.

Edit: The real problem with that one is that it was submitted without reservations. It violates the constitution in big ways. The US actually had a huge hand creating the treaty, and signed it, but the Senate did not ratify it. The US did sign and ratify the optional protocols banning child pornography and child prostitution and the sale of children.

It's just that...well this is just too nuts to come to fruitation. THe reason for it is that it will effect about ninety percent (IMO) of computer users, everyone burns DVD's, everyone downloads music, everyone downloads pictures. This will be the equivalent of turning off the internet.

You don't need to convince me. I was just enlightening you as to the treaty ratification process in the US. Obama signing it does not mean it's law, nor does the fact that it's a major violation of the constitution actually mean anything.

There was a public release of the treaty outline in April. That's how people know the three strikes part is removed. Still the treaty allows for punishment without trial, and without you being able to review the evidence against you. It allows for search and seizure without cause (this one is especially scary because they could easily just search anyone at any time under the guise of fulfilling this treaty.

It gives big buisness unprecedented new powers when dealing with copyright, and narrows the scope of fair use almost to the point of eliminating it. I basically forsakes the average citizen in the name of order. I feel that the rights of over a billion people especially those currently not violating copyright or counterfeiting anything in any meaningful way far out weighs the meager amount of money the entertainment industry loses each year to copyright violation. Not that I believe the various figures they give, but I figure as long as they are still turning a a good profit on their endeavors its not time to flog people in the public square.

 

[Daxus13]

Oh great, Anonymous are convincing the mainstream corporations even further that the internet cannot be trusted.

My thoughts exactly. Every odious law needs an even more odious reason why "there ought to be a law" in order to pass public scrutiny, and Anonymous provides the ideal means to sanction a crackdown.

Anonymous, and 4chan, and Greater Internet Fuckwads in general are exactly why the Internet would probably benefit from a police state.

Yes because complete and utter monitoring of your every moment is completely alright and not Orwellian at all.

In real life recent US rulings mean you can be tracked without warrant, in Ireland the Gards will rough you up for walking up the road with no consequences to them, and in UK police can kill a newspaper seller and walk away laughing with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Police do not need to create new laws for the "protection" of the few at the cost of the many, nor do they need more power to monitor our lives.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

Ave Legio

 

[Life_Is_A_Mess]

ACTA will lose. They think people are retarded. They don't know the power of the HAX.