ACTA Vs Anonymous

[mrpenguinismyhomeboy]

I like Anonymous, and this whole ACTA thing is awful, so I fully support them. I've always loved it, the whole speech synthesizer videos that are "declaring attacks" on people and stuff, it just seems so awesome, like theirs finally something going to happen, finally, something our generation can be proud of, our fight against tyranny and oppression, it all is very inspiring.

On the other hand, they are very scary people, and powerful people, who often act on a whim. But unlike their other raids, this one seems like they are legitimately scared for themselves and they actually care about this, and aren't just trying to fuck with people.

 

[HT_Black]

Eh, Anonymous is too soft for my tastes. Sure, Wise Beard Man might've been right about the CoS (and y'know...wise), but I've always preferred the "molotov gun" approach. I'm not suggesting that ACTA is worthy of a suicide bombing, but I think it will take a bit more force than a nonviolent protest to get the RIAA and co. to back down. I mean, money makes their worlds go 'round, and their ears are deaf to anything contrary. Unless Anon can muster up something that really catches their eye, this will do fuck-all.

However, should it be passed, make no mistake: it'll be time to make this world burn.

You know how riots start? They tend to begin when small groups of protesters become violent and start attacking the police, enforcers of laws passed by the government. Usually, if enough people believe in the cause a domino effect starts. Case and point:

Right on.

 

[chinangel]

this is anon's biggest undertaking in its history as far as I'm aware. Mostly because ACTA threatens its very existance. I highly doubt this acta thing will pass. It's just too....insane.

So, Go anon!

 

[Fenolio]

"We are legion, for we are many."
Gives me chills. (In a good way)
Hope this ACTA thing fails.

 

[Sonicron]

Not really a fan of the 4chan bunch (well, what appears to be the majority of them, anyway), but I'm with them on this one. ACTA is a threat that could fuck almost any one of us over in ways previously thought 100% impossible, and someone needs to fight back. If they have the knowledge and the means to do so, more power to them.
Besides, their group consciousness (like almost any other) is more or less akin to an animal reacting on instinct, and this animal - with all its vicious digital claws and fangs - is being backed into a corner, and I rather doubt it's just going to curl up and die.

 

[Hiphophippo]

Spoiler: To learn what must be done we must turn to the wisdom of age.

But no, really...three cheers for fucking Anon. Keeping the internet safe (citation needed) since forever.

 

[Doclector]

"We are legion, for we are many."
Gives me chills. (In a good way)
Hope this ACTA thing fails.

Indeed, it is quite creepy.

"Expect us" almost makes you think of an anon in full V get-up seeping up from under the bed of some RIAA manager.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

I really do not like anonymous but I suppose they are the lesser of two evils.

Agreed.
I'm not letting the G-Man into my bloody computer. I'm against censorship. If I don't like something I just ignore it, not erase it. ACTA is bullshit to the max and very unconstitutional.

 

[Arkham]

I hate referring to /b/ and the connected communities collectively because I never felt like we were well organized. Usually people worked towards a common goal which was simply to create chaos, confusion, and piss people off. (Not all that hard to do, really.) One thing that put me off about the so-called collective was the Chanology raid. I felt like so many people were protesting for all the wrong reasons. This was shortly before I left the community.

But if there's one strength "Anonymous" has it is strength in numbers that puts the Zerg to shame. I only hope that this works in our favor. Unfortunately I'm yet to hear any actual plans to resist ACTA.

 

[reyttm4]

Believe me, this thread is so much better when your listening to such an epic song ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc56moy0poA )

OT: I'd really hope that Anonymous wins this one too, as a internet user I think it goes without saying.

 

[XT inc]

all that needs to be said is that if it passes everyone with a pc will be sued or jailed or banned from the net. There will be no economy because the entirety of the new generations will be jailed paying for copies of movies/music etc. They wasted money on stoners in jail what will they do when everyone is a criminal.

 

[Dr. wonderful]

Snip

Yeah, you made it sound too epic. We are going to lose

 

[Therumancer]

My opinion on the subject is mixed.

I agree that something needs to be done here. The scary thing is that I do not think this battle can be won only over the Internet itself.

What's more, as strong as Anonymous might be, I notice that China seems to have so far failed to suffer their wrath very much at all given that they have been some of the worst offenders with information control. I'm guessing largely because there is little that can be done against China purely online, and what's more any actions from within China risk getting someone tortured and/or killed. The nations they are calling out are ones that arguably have civil liberties policies they can exploit, and where they know the techniques used to root them out will be limited. Perhaps I missed it, but I had been waiting to see if they would do anything to China the way they tried to make a point with Australia, but so far nothing has materialized.

That said, my own nation (the USA) seems to be involved and does need to be stopped, especially seeing is this is the exact opposite of what it's supposed to stand for.

I am hoping that at the very least Anonymous can rally the people of the US, either in sufficient numbers to cause the goverment to withdraw from this, or if the need arises and the goverment is unresponsive, to make use of our "right to keep and bear arms" since that is exactly what it's for. Forget impeachment, if down the road the only way to protect free speech in this country is for the people to march on their own elected officials and forcibly remove them, that's what needs to happen. Perhaps Anonymous will succeed in putting enough pressure on the goverment where it will not come to that though.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Anonymous. The power of the internet that no one dares to fight. I like them, they're who people seem to turn to when someone threatens the internet. Look at the original ACTA thread, I can assure you at l person said Anonymous would sort out the problem. Whether they succeed or not is something I wish to see.

 

[Irridium]

4Chan actually counted to 10 for this. Shit be serious.

I've spread the word onto many sights, and I suggest sending stuff on ACTA to the news stations. FOX especially, since they'll gladly eat this up.

This has to be stopped. Its just straight up bullshit and its wrong. People like the Church of fucking Scientology and the RIAA should not and ever be in control of the internet. Neither should governments.

Alert the news stations, spread this around, tell everyone. Get the word out.

Further sites/readings:

http://ifmovement.org/
http://www.anti-acta.com/
http://www.eff.org/issues/acta
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4040/1282637685775.png

 

[Flig]

Hopefully this doesn't end like Chanology did...you know, with a couple thousand guys in Guy Fawkes masks standing in the rain for a few hours...and then doing nothing else...

If you've actually seen /b/ recently, most people don't seem to be up for any ACTA raids, though it could just be the summerfags.

I'm hoping they actually follow through with this attack on ACTA and don't stop after a few protests like they did with Scientology. It's not like they can make things any worse...right?

Also, you seem to have missed a fairly recent attack on this whole "Tea Party" business. The Escapist actually has an article by Andy Chalk on it.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102426-Anonymous-Punishes-the-Oregon-Tea-Party

 

[Therumancer]

Oh great, Anonymous are convincing the mainstream corporations even further that the internet cannot be trusted.

But that's the entire point, it's not supposed to be trusted by them. Freedom of information is the anti-thesis of everything the corperate mentality believe in. For them to "trust" anything they need to at least have indirect control over it. Laws like the ones presented exist because of their fear of things like an uncontrolled Internet.

To be fair, I don't agree with Anonymous 100% on everything they do and stand for. There are some good points to this bill, among other things it seems to open the door for tools that could be used against China and it's robber economy of patent violations and knock-offs. However it's not addressing those kinds of things specifically despite what the bill is titled, this is set up where it's going to snowball into a lot of other direction and be used as a punkhammer for corperations and the goverment to more or less step on anything they don't want to hear or see in the internet.... and once it applies to the internet, I think it will be used to enforce more control IRL.

Anonymous is right on this one, because it's not like they are going to stop if a couple of people ask nicely. There is too much money involved.

 

[Irridium]

I'm probably going to lose whatever soul I have left by saying this, but...

I'm siding with Anonymous on this one. I hate censorship in any form, and if they are fighting the ACTA, I'm behind them. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" seems to be the wisest advice to follow at the current time. Of course, one would argue the wisdom of siding with Anonymous...But I really do hate censorship and the fact that the ACTA would allow governments to search my computer without my permission.

That's unconstitutional.

Spoiler: 4th Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It is unconstitutional, but ACTA is an international agreement, meaning its above any national law.