Activision I don't Want to Buy Your Damn Map-Packs!

[Gizmo007666]

Question: Have you actually experienced the issue the guy is talking about, otherwise you're kinda spouting nonsense.

Yes. I have; I didn't buy any of the Modern Warfare 2 maps and was removed from several lobbies.

They are doing nothing wrong. Play your game or don't.

As far as I've seen there is a great deal of difference in the map rotation issues in WaW and MW2, so comparing them really doesn't work. I've dealt with a lack of map packs in each of the cod's since 4 which are:
- in 4 there was no problem you would never see a map you didn't own.

- in WaW the map rotation was a horrible mess which sorted through all the available maps which often resulted in maps you didn't have appearing to kick you out of your lobby. This was a real problem given the dlc basically doubled the amount of maps available meaning I would put just under half lobbies entered would be dlc.

- in MW2 it was similar to MW where playing by yourself wouldn't show any dlc but I noticed a couple of times when I used the join friends feature it would put me in a lobby where the dlc could turn up. So it could happen but was a lot less often.

- in Blops they've got the same situation where I don't believe you will see the map packs in rotation unless you jump into a set up lobby (although have to admit, I haven't exactly played a great deal of Blops since the dlc so I could be wrong).

Basically the issue of map rotation between WaW and MW2 is a world of difference, unless you're playing on the pc in which case it may be a different case.

OT: Personally I believe that it was Treyarch doing a really poor job in programming the game rather than Activision going for more profits, based on the fact that the issue mainly appears in WaW. However it could be Activision told them to do it in order to test the response, given that I doubt it went down well this might of been a factor which lead them to charging a higher price for dlc instead.

 

[IzisviAziria]

Don't pay for the maps? Don't complain if someone wants to play the maps.

*shrug*

That's just it, I'm not playing on the play-list for the map-packs.

I still don't understand.

You don't want to pay for a service, some people do. When the people who do pay for that service wish to engage in it, you don't get to.

*shrug*

Are you being purposely belligerent? He's playing on the mode set specifically to NOT include the map packs, and yet he is still being booted from lobbies for not having them. Basically, the feature he's trying to use is not working properly, and in doing so, is making his game experience less enjoyable.

It's a problem that persists into future iterations of the game, and it's a shameless ploy to get people to buy map-packs. There are times when it's very difficult to find a good host connection, or with older games like COD4 and WaW, very difficult to find a game that hasn't been hacked. And on the rare times you do get into a good game, you shouldn't be stopped from enjoying it just because you haven't spent money on maps you don't want.

*edit* left some unnecessary quotes in there

 

[Gizmo007666]

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And? Don't like their service? Don't play the game.

I don't. My point was that imagine if whatever fps you're currently enjoying (if none then the last one) kicked you out of half the lobbies you entered unless you were willing to pay another amount which is more than you paid for the game itself. Other games can do it properly where you just don't have or see the content which you don't pay for why should this one force you?

 

[Yotta Flare]

It doesn't have to be illegal to be annoying. The point the OP was trying to make is that it is annoying that he has to be reminded constantly that he doesn't have the DLC for Activision's Madden FPS 2008 when it is silly that they are even trying to squeeze money out of it with Activision's Madden FPS 2011 right around the corner. I completely agree with him as well, there cant be much to gain from asking people to pay full price for old map packs. I do however see the small point Dulcinea is trying to make but the fact remains that if you buy the game you should be able to enjoy the content you payed for. Which does in fact include multiplayer, and it truly can't be that hard to just let the cool kids play on there cool maps and everyone else plays on the old maps. Sending a player back to the menu because he/she hasn't paid for the over priced dlc is annoying. Hell they could even advertise the map packs in the pre game lobby all they want as it to encourage people to buy there stuff because god knows they are already working on madden fps 2012.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Don't pay for the maps? Don't complain if someone wants to play the maps.

*shrug*

That's just it, I'm not playing on the play-list for the map-packs.

I still don't understand.

You don't want to pay for a service, some people do. When the people who do pay for that service wish to engage in it, you don't get to.

*shrug*

And there's a seperate play-list for those with the map-packs. New players shouldn't have to give extra money to any developer to be able to play the game they payed for. Constantly booting someone into the menus for not having the DLC map for a play-list that is supposed to be for new players. It's annoying and it really shouldn't be happening.

 

[Blatherscythe]

What pisses me off the most is the fact that I'm usually bumped back to the menu because I don't have this map, I'm not even playing on the map-pack play-list and this happens most of the time.

I understand you completely man. Plus, I really dislike it when I get online with friends, that if one friend does not have the map then everyone cannot play it or show friends a cool video we recorded that others have to miss out because of map-packs. Pretty unfair if you ask me.

Yeah, it's on games like Fable 3 even. If you don't have the exact same DLC as the person your playing with you cannot play with them. Or having weapons that require online interactions from friends, another ploy to sell more games. It's an infuriating advertisement, it punishes you or your friends who don't have the maps that got "randomly" rotated to a DLC map.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Its supporting a company really. How much do you really want to play those maps? If you care, you will purchase them.

Or you could play a game like TF2 on the computer, and get an infinite list of user supported maps, where the players who made the maps actually get paid for making said maps.

Your call I guess.

I'm really not feeling that supportive of Treyarc. In fact, all I feel is an urge to punch whomever came up with the idea in the stomach.

Also, I don't play Team Fortress 2. Apparently I'm missing out on a developer who doesn't treat new players like scum.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Wha? I don't even...

Yeah guessing you don't care if you bought a game at full price, enjoy it for a bit but than these maps you don't want to pay for come around. SO you don't buy them. Now you can't enjoy your game as much or even at all just because you don't feel like paying for another 1/4 or (if multiple map packs) 1/2 of a game. So you just throw away your 60$.

*shrug*

Just look at the post underneath the one you posted. I'm not going to give them money for acting so asinine.

 

[Mr Thin]

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And? Don't like their service? Don't play the game.

I don't. My point was that imagine if whatever fps you're currently enjoying (if none then the last one) kicked you out of half the lobbies you entered unless you were willing to pay another amount which is more than you paid for the game itself. Other games can do it properly where you just don't have or see the content which you don't pay for why should this one force you?

If you can show them to be breaking any laws, I'm all ears. Otherwise, they aren't doing anything wrong.

It doesn't have to be breaking a law to be wrong, and he never said they were.

The point is, despite not being in the playlist for people who have the maps, it's still expecting him to.

It's a broken feature, most likely left that way on purpose, and it's a legitimate complaint.

 

[Mr Thin]

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And? Don't like their service? Don't play the game.

I don't. My point was that imagine if whatever fps you're currently enjoying (if none then the last one) kicked you out of half the lobbies you entered unless you were willing to pay another amount which is more than you paid for the game itself. Other games can do it properly where you just don't have or see the content which you don't pay for why should this one force you?

If you can show them to be breaking any laws, I'm all ears. Otherwise, they aren't doing anything wrong.

It doesn't have to be breaking a law to be wrong, and he never said they were.

The point is, despite not being in the playlist for people who have the maps, it's still expecting him to.

It's a broken feature, most likely left that way on purpose, and it's a legitimate complaint.

Sounds to me like they are obviously trying to get you to buy the maps. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, they are. And I don't blame them. It's the way they're doing it that's the problem.

There are playlists for people who have the new maps, and playlists for those who don't. No matter which one you choose, the game will join you to servers using the new maps.

The game is deliberately abusing you for not buying the maps. It's just obnoxious, whether it's legal or not.

 

[Still Life]

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And? Don't like their service? Don't play the game.

I don't. My point was that imagine if whatever fps you're currently enjoying (if none then the last one) kicked you out of half the lobbies you entered unless you were willing to pay another amount which is more than you paid for the game itself. Other games can do it properly where you just don't have or see the content which you don't pay for why should this one force you?

If you can show them to be breaking any laws, I'm all ears. Otherwise, they aren't doing anything wrong.

It doesn't have to be breaking a law to be wrong, and he never said they were.

The point is, despite not being in the playlist for people who have the maps, it's still expecting him to.

It's a broken feature, most likely left that way on purpose, and it's a legitimate complaint.

Sounds to me like they are obviously trying to get you to buy the maps. Nothing wrong with that.

Well, invasive marketing can qualitatively diminish the value of a product/service. You could argue that it is unethical given the high stature of the franchise. However, with COD it isn't all that much of an issue (at least for the PC crowd) because there are plenty of servers up and running at the same time. The only time I had an issue was when servers weren't clearly marked and it never took long to get back into a game.

I kind of liked what IW did with MW2 map packs by giving them a separate play list. It was less of a 'jarring' experience to swing between the new maps and the old.

 

[Senor Smoke21]

Don't pay for the maps? Don't complain if someone wants to play the maps.

*shrug*

That's just it, I'm not playing on the play-list for the map-packs.

But after a certain amount of time or when a new pack is out, they get added to general roster of maps.

 

[Still Life]

Your only vote as a consumer is your 15 bucks. Don't buy them and they will respond to market pressure.

I like to think that buyers have a conscience and on a small scale: they generally do. However, with a franchise as monolithic as COD, your vote might as well be a grain of sand. Just look at what happened with the MW2 boycott.

 

[subtlefuge]

Your only vote as a consumer is your 15 bucks. Don't buy them and they will respond to market pressure.

I like to think that buyers have a conscience and on a small scale: they generally do. However, with a franchise as monolithic as COD, your vote might as well be a grain of sand. Just look at what happened with the MW2 boycott.

Your vote on anything is just a grain of sand, but that's not a good reason not to vote.

 

[Still Life]

Your only vote as a consumer is your 15 bucks. Don't buy them and they will respond to market pressure.

I like to think that buyers have a conscience and on a small scale: they generally do. However, with a franchise as monolithic as COD, your vote might as well be a grain of sand. Just look at what happened with the MW2 boycott.

Your vote on anything is just a grain of sand, but that's not a good reason not to vote.

I certainly agree. My money will be going to the competition this year.

It's ironic to see so many people moan about the 'over priced dlc', or the removal of 'features' followed by the proclamation of outrage, only to see many of those same people 'selling out'.

 

[vxicepickxv]

The game is deliberately abusing you for not buying the maps. It's just obnoxious, whether it's legal or not.

Eh. I'm fine with them doing it.

So, are you a shill, or are you just trolling?

To take something optional and put it on a mandatory list without handing it out is immoral and an obvious money grab. Just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it's okay.