Activison= Evil Douchebags

[FamoFunk]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

 

[Woodsey]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

 

[Sejs Cube]

Oh man! Business decisions! They're *evil*!

Pfffft.

 

[FamoFunk]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

The fact they have CoD and WoW makes me think they really couldn't give a shit about anything else.
As long as they're making profit somewhere, they don't give a damn where or what it's from.

 

[Carlston]

Activision has now adapted the

EA business plan. Make 3 games over and over every year. Do not take chances, let the up and comers burn...

 

[Woodsey]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

The fact they have CoD and WoW makes me think they really couldn't give a shit about anything else.
As long as they're making profit somewhere, they don't give a damn where or what it's from.

They've certainly not tried to hide that - I'm just saying, in the long run, better business sense, to me, would to have good community relations and sustainable franchises, as well as teams with fresh ideas.

Better to be in second place (and making millions), and still be around in 15-20 years.

 

[Sejs Cube]

Man, that's a real shame to hear about True Crime: Hong Kong. Saw their presentation at the VFS 2011 game dev expo and they looked like they had put a lot of work and thought into the project. Then to get it axed so late in the game... ouch.

 

[BENZOOKA]

It's all in the moolah, baby. Some just don't give a shit about anything else.

 

[migo]

When a company makes a decision you don't agree with, in order to make more money. They are not evil!
They are being a company, you know, the whole basis of the western economy.

Yes, there are game companies out there, that act a bit more subtle on their goals, but can we please stop calling it "evil".

Actually, if profit, and nothing else, is what motivates you, you pretty much are evil. If you do horrible stuff without getting any profit, then you're just insane.

 

[migo]

Activision has now adapted the

EA business plan. Make 3 games over and over every year. Do not take chances, let the up and comers burn...

That's not EA's business plan anymore though, just their sports division.

 

[Carlston]

Activision has now adapted the

EA business plan. Make 3 games over and over every year. Do not take chances, let the up and comers burn...

That's not EA's business plan anymore though, just their sports division.

True, but they have had this pattern after losing Origin in 90's. Sports only, trickle money for non sports games, get a hit like Sims or first few call of duties...leech. When dried out, back to only sports.

I understand in this biz it's all about the bottom line... but I could do less with 400 million dollar to make games and settle for one with 1/4th the budget that was actually fun to play.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Because Guitar Hero sucked? Why wouldn't they cancel that game? Just pick up a PC version of GH 3 and then add the songs you want. After GH 3, there was no need to every buy another GH.

 

[pyrosaw]

You HAVEN'T been boycotting Activision? And you just realized they beat franchise's until there black and blue? What rock have you been living under?

 

[Continuity]

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

 

[squid5580]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

 

[Woodsey]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

We will have the eighth CoD game this year. Valve's biggest franchise hasn't seen a release in 4 years. Do you REALLY want to try and claim they, of the two, are the ones who milk stuff?

And yes, nothing apart from Portal 2 in a month or two. Bear in mind this is an independent dev studio of 250 people, not a publisher which eats up a bunch of dev studios at once.

And no, apart from controlling the largest share of the games downloads market, having HL2 the highest rated PC game on Metacritic, having HL2 (not including the Orange Box sales) sell 12 million copies (which is rather exceptional for a game that most only bought on one platform) , Valve haven't achieved anything at all.

Good business sense is not just about a cash and grab.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

Yeah, and why do you think Steam does so well?

I'll give you a hint, it's because it's good (in both meanings of the word).

Activision pretty much suck,but they don't even get close to those bastards at EA.

The bastards that fund(ed) Battlefied, Mirror's Edge, Dragon Age, Mass Effect and TOR, and distributed the likes of Crysis, as well as Valve's console side of things?

 

[squid5580]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

We will have the eighth CoD game this year. Valve's biggest franchise hasn't seen a release in 4 years. Do you REALLY want to try and claim they, of the two, are the ones who milk stuff?

And yes, nothing apart from Portal 2 in a month or two. Bear in mind this is an independent dev studio of 250 people, not a publisher which eats up a bunch of dev studios at once.

And no, apart from controlling the largest share of the games downloads market, having HL2 the highest rated PC game on Metacritic, having HL2 (not including the Orange Box or digital downloads) sell 12 million copies, Valve haven't achieved anything at all.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

Yeah, and why do you think Steam does so well?

I'll give you a hint, it's because it's good (in both meanings of the word).

Right we haven't seen HL ep 3 yet have we? It sounds more like they are using it for free marketing than actually working on it at this point. They would be better off never releasing it so it keeps the HL series on our minds. Meanwhile we get 2 sequels that we really didn't need instead. I mean sure L4D2 was better than the first but it still came out a year after the first one. If we don't see L4D3 by the end of the year then you may have a leg to stand on. But as it stands right now 1 year brings us 1 sequel from Valve. Sound familiar?

BTW I never said Valve didn't accomplish anything. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Woodsey]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

We will have the eighth CoD game this year. Valve's biggest franchise hasn't seen a release in 4 years. Do you REALLY want to try and claim they, of the two, are the ones who milk stuff?

And yes, nothing apart from Portal 2 in a month or two. Bear in mind this is an independent dev studio of 250 people, not a publisher which eats up a bunch of dev studios at once.

And no, apart from controlling the largest share of the games downloads market, having HL2 the highest rated PC game on Metacritic, having HL2 (not including the Orange Box or digital downloads) sell 12 million copies, Valve haven't achieved anything at all.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

Yeah, and why do you think Steam does so well?

I'll give you a hint, it's because it's good (in both meanings of the word).

Right we haven't seen HL ep 3 yet have we? It sounds more like they are using it for free marketing than actually working on it at this point. They would be better off never releasing it so it keeps the HL series on our minds. Meanwhile we get 2 sequels that we really didn't need instead. I mean sure L4D2 was better than the first but it still came out a year after the first one. If we don't see L4D3 by the end of the year then you may have a leg to stand on. But as it stands right now 1 year brings us 1 sequel from Valve. Sound familiar?

They did that once, and even they admitted they didn't handle that right, AND they continued to support the first game with content.

What you're saying then, is that if Valve don't release a title, it's free marketing (nevermind the praise they've gotten for everything else), which makes them dicks, and if they do release something, they're money whores?

Words fail me.