Yeah, but I have been applying places for years. Even McDonald's AND Burger King rejected me... TWICE. How sad is that? lol And I can't get a job without experience, or get experience without a job -.-Rationalization said:
Advice on Anti-Depressants
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I should have been dead so many years ago, I'm on an anti-depressant and I drive. Caffeine is a psychoactive drug, our country should be in rubble!Josh Kurber said:You can. But in his inbox he will still see your quoteRationalization said:
Uh ya, it is going to take a bit of trail and error. My GF went though this a while back, took about year and a half. Just make sure you tell you doctor if you are haveing any symptoms.
Josh,
As other people have said above there is no 'right medication'. Dosage and type are both variables that have to be worked out for the individual. And then there's working out what form of chemical imbalance needs to be corrected for you specifically. The first 'experimentation' (for lack of a better word)can suck but it's important to stick with it and follow what your doctor suggests.
I'd also strongly reccomend speaking to a psych about your issues, at first it feels A) stupid and B) like it is going nowhere but you do see help coming through it.
And, as you say you've had some suicidal thoughts, I can't advocate speaking to others enough. There's a lot of people who care about you out there who'd hate to see you harm yourself.
It Gets Better.
As other people have said above there is no 'right medication'. Dosage and type are both variables that have to be worked out for the individual. And then there's working out what form of chemical imbalance needs to be corrected for you specifically. The first 'experimentation' (for lack of a better word)can suck but it's important to stick with it and follow what your doctor suggests.
I'd also strongly reccomend speaking to a psych about your issues, at first it feels A) stupid and B) like it is going nowhere but you do see help coming through it.
And, as you say you've had some suicidal thoughts, I can't advocate speaking to others enough. There's a lot of people who care about you out there who'd hate to see you harm yourself.
It Gets Better.
Oddly enough, Prozac actually does list anorexia as a possible side effect (I'm not sure if that's referring to loss of appetite or the actual condition though.)Josh Kurber said:
Oh, and occasionally the inability to have an orgasm. Fun times.
I don't think most of the side affects are overly common, so I wouldn't worry too much about those. They wouldn't get approved for use if most of the people using them didn't sleep for the next 3 days.
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Since they were only commenting on the fact that you listed antibiotics, I feel I should point out that antibiotics in no way substitute your immune system. It's like having 4 legs on a chair instead of three. The other don't get weaker just cause you give the whole thing more support.Tankichi said:
There is also no way for depression, anxiety, insomnia, bipolar disorder, or any other mental conditions to become stronger or more prevalent in society no matter how many people take medication for it.
Viruses can mutate. Chemical imbalances can't.
I used Zoloft, Wellbutrin, and Effexor for when I had it. Not at once though, one after the other when neither proved successful.
They all made me worse off than I was previously, so I cut the prescription, and got better over time.
Depression is a normal part of life; however, there is a...disease, I suppose? that will make it so some sort of chemical that your body runs off of to make you feel happy and content, is completely off. Anti-depressants fill the gap made by this chemical unbalancing, and help you deal with your life a little better. My mother has it, and she takes pills to help her live her life.
First, you should probably determine whether or not you have this disease before you get any pills to help with it. Don't listen to your counselor or psychatrist on that matter. Ever.
If you do have the "disease"? Then get the pills, you'll actually need them. If not, then the pills will only make you feel even worse than you are now.
For once, I can give advice based off of personal experience!
They all made me worse off than I was previously, so I cut the prescription, and got better over time.
Depression is a normal part of life; however, there is a...disease, I suppose? that will make it so some sort of chemical that your body runs off of to make you feel happy and content, is completely off. Anti-depressants fill the gap made by this chemical unbalancing, and help you deal with your life a little better. My mother has it, and she takes pills to help her live her life.
First, you should probably determine whether or not you have this disease before you get any pills to help with it. Don't listen to your counselor or psychatrist on that matter. Ever.
If you do have the "disease"? Then get the pills, you'll actually need them. If not, then the pills will only make you feel even worse than you are now.
For once, I can give advice based off of personal experience!
Look up what "addiction" actually is before you hand out medical advice to someone on the subject.guardian001 said:
Anti-Anxiety medication such as lorazepam and Diazepam are extremely addictive. In fact it is the worst chemical to withdraw from. However...anti-depressant meds such as prozac and celexa produce no immediate "high", do not affect dopamine levels whatsoever, and are simply too slow-acting to produce any sort of addiction to the substance. Make no mistake...addiction and withdrawal are too entirely separate things.
I don't comment on here much, but I just had to this time. I noticed something that I don't think anyone else did, how young you are. You were born a year after me so you're 17? That is WAAAAY too young for some of the problems you're having, but, my life is very similar to yours right now, so I'm going to be your personal depression coach, if that isn't creepy.
First, a little info on me:
I'm 18, and I would say that I've been clinically depressed for about 1.5-2 years, but I've been unhappy for maybe 3.
I do not take any pills, and I do not want to, personally, I feel like I would have problems with admitting that I need them and what that would do to my confidence in myself.
I have never dated anyone, never even kissed a girl, and I am extremely lonely. Rejections from 3 different big time crushes, and the emotional fallout and loneliness are the main causes of my depression.
My dad passed away a couple weeks ago, it hasn't hit me yet, I am generally desensitized from the depression, but also, seeing as I have not experienced many, major tragedies take a long time to hit me.
I do have a job, but it sucks, you're not missing out on much, I don't see why that is such a big deal to you.
My point is that you, me, us... we're teenagers, we are emotional wrecks. I have no friends who are depressed, but they are perfect Christians living perfect Christian lives in their perfect Christian homes, or they are constantly high. My mom was depressed as a teen, though, a lot of people were. So, you seem to have a big, legitimate problem here, the same as mine, and I want to help, as in getting you through this, because even if pills make you feel better, they're not going to fix anything.
First thing I can say now is your ex is the source, that is so obviously clear to me.
But, it's 5:30am where I am and I need to go to bed, but I want you to bring up your concerns to me one at a time, and we will deal with them, on here or in PM, anything from your ex, lack of a job, you mentioned weight loss, self-esteem, anything. And I will attack later using only what I have learned, and still am learning, through personal experience.
First, a little info on me:
I'm 18, and I would say that I've been clinically depressed for about 1.5-2 years, but I've been unhappy for maybe 3.
I do not take any pills, and I do not want to, personally, I feel like I would have problems with admitting that I need them and what that would do to my confidence in myself.
I have never dated anyone, never even kissed a girl, and I am extremely lonely. Rejections from 3 different big time crushes, and the emotional fallout and loneliness are the main causes of my depression.
My dad passed away a couple weeks ago, it hasn't hit me yet, I am generally desensitized from the depression, but also, seeing as I have not experienced many, major tragedies take a long time to hit me.
I do have a job, but it sucks, you're not missing out on much, I don't see why that is such a big deal to you.
My point is that you, me, us... we're teenagers, we are emotional wrecks. I have no friends who are depressed, but they are perfect Christians living perfect Christian lives in their perfect Christian homes, or they are constantly high. My mom was depressed as a teen, though, a lot of people were. So, you seem to have a big, legitimate problem here, the same as mine, and I want to help, as in getting you through this, because even if pills make you feel better, they're not going to fix anything.
First thing I can say now is your ex is the source, that is so obviously clear to me.
But, it's 5:30am where I am and I need to go to bed, but I want you to bring up your concerns to me one at a time, and we will deal with them, on here or in PM, anything from your ex, lack of a job, you mentioned weight loss, self-esteem, anything. And I will attack later using only what I have learned, and still am learning, through personal experience.
I'm not really going to say yes or no in a straight blunt way and I'm going to make this as impersonal as possible because for a lot of people this is surely a heated topic.
I can only advise from what I have previously been through - and even then I'm going to gloss over the details because frankly, I'm not one to opening up to it.
I have a rather... messed up history. I have spend 12 years trying to get out of bad habits and trying to work on feeling 'better'. I was always very, VERY good at not showing people anything that was negative, and I basically got taken to the doctor after my mother discovered 'her precious teenage daughter' was doing nasty horrible things to herself. The reasons why I will leave out because, well, why should I tell you lot? haha.
Anyway, they were going to put me on anti-depressants and I refused point blank. I told them if they prescribed me pills, I wasn't going to take them. I then got put on a 6 year therapy and CBT (cognitive-behavoural therapy) course which was more effective.
As far as I'm aware, and have discussed with my therapist, is that there are two 'main' types of depression which basically consist of a) an emotional depression, something I was going through and could be dealt with through a lengthy consultation period of however many years an b) a chemical depression, where my language fails and all I can describe it as is "where something just doesn't go right in your brain". I didn't have this. This is what the pills are meant to help 'control'.
So my doctors first reaction was "she's depressed, lets pill her up, great idea, that'll solve it, NEXT" I would still be in the same bad place as before, but you know... more 'levelled'. I wouldn't have even progressed anywhere, I wouldn't have ever understood why I do certain things, or better yet, have even started to overcome them.
I see anti-depressants as a big, massive NO-NO. I really do. You think that a little chemicals put into your body are going to really change the bad things that happen and how you relax? You want to feel numb?
At the end of the day - do whatever you want to do, because the reality is you've probably decided anyway. This advice, and everyone elses opinion and advice is only really here if you want to listen to it.
I can only advise from what I have previously been through - and even then I'm going to gloss over the details because frankly, I'm not one to opening up to it.
I have a rather... messed up history. I have spend 12 years trying to get out of bad habits and trying to work on feeling 'better'. I was always very, VERY good at not showing people anything that was negative, and I basically got taken to the doctor after my mother discovered 'her precious teenage daughter' was doing nasty horrible things to herself. The reasons why I will leave out because, well, why should I tell you lot? haha.
Anyway, they were going to put me on anti-depressants and I refused point blank. I told them if they prescribed me pills, I wasn't going to take them. I then got put on a 6 year therapy and CBT (cognitive-behavoural therapy) course which was more effective.
As far as I'm aware, and have discussed with my therapist, is that there are two 'main' types of depression which basically consist of a) an emotional depression, something I was going through and could be dealt with through a lengthy consultation period of however many years an b) a chemical depression, where my language fails and all I can describe it as is "where something just doesn't go right in your brain". I didn't have this. This is what the pills are meant to help 'control'.
So my doctors first reaction was "she's depressed, lets pill her up, great idea, that'll solve it, NEXT" I would still be in the same bad place as before, but you know... more 'levelled'. I wouldn't have even progressed anywhere, I wouldn't have ever understood why I do certain things, or better yet, have even started to overcome them.
I see anti-depressants as a big, massive NO-NO. I really do. You think that a little chemicals put into your body are going to really change the bad things that happen and how you relax? You want to feel numb?
At the end of the day - do whatever you want to do, because the reality is you've probably decided anyway. This advice, and everyone elses opinion and advice is only really here if you want to listen to it.
i haven't had the best run with psychotropic drugs, i've been clinically diagnosed with anxiety and depression for 5 years and have been on and off drugs the whole time and have nothing to show for it.
that being said, i've met a decent amount of people for whom medications have been a complete godsend. night and day difference.
if you do decide to try out meds, just keep in mind that most are very slow acting, and can take anywhere from 2 weeks to a month to get up to therapeutic dose. also, if you have to switch drugs, you aren't supposed to outright stop, as there can be withdrawal symptoms, you'll have to taper completely off before you can start a new drug. patience really becomes the name of the game with most psychotropes.
i'd be wary about using any benzodiazepines. they make you feel amazing but they're highly addictive, you eventually build up a tolerance, and withdrawal from them is quite an experience.
make sure the psychiatrist you chose to go to is someone that you feel very comfortable talking to, because it's real important that he/she knows about ANY changes in your physiology that you notice once you start taking the drug (even the embarrassing ones)
keep in mind as well that the amount of people in the united states that take some form of antidepressant or anxiolytic is staggering. so all types of people have taken them or are currently on them, from lowly line-cooks like myself to doctors, lawyers, CEOs, mechanics, pharmacists, journalists, you name it. so don't let anyone kid you into thinking that they're somehow going to drastically limit your career choices by taking them. and anyone who looks down on you for taking/having taken them is a mouth-breathing troglodyte.
so anyway i would go ahead and talk to your doctor and give them a shot. it may be a total gamechanger for you. as someone who has routinely failed at doing so, i can't stress enough to you how important it is that you follow your doctor's prescription to the tee. no skipping doses, no altering doses etc.
best of luck
that being said, i've met a decent amount of people for whom medications have been a complete godsend. night and day difference.
if you do decide to try out meds, just keep in mind that most are very slow acting, and can take anywhere from 2 weeks to a month to get up to therapeutic dose. also, if you have to switch drugs, you aren't supposed to outright stop, as there can be withdrawal symptoms, you'll have to taper completely off before you can start a new drug. patience really becomes the name of the game with most psychotropes.
i'd be wary about using any benzodiazepines. they make you feel amazing but they're highly addictive, you eventually build up a tolerance, and withdrawal from them is quite an experience.
make sure the psychiatrist you chose to go to is someone that you feel very comfortable talking to, because it's real important that he/she knows about ANY changes in your physiology that you notice once you start taking the drug (even the embarrassing ones)
keep in mind as well that the amount of people in the united states that take some form of antidepressant or anxiolytic is staggering. so all types of people have taken them or are currently on them, from lowly line-cooks like myself to doctors, lawyers, CEOs, mechanics, pharmacists, journalists, you name it. so don't let anyone kid you into thinking that they're somehow going to drastically limit your career choices by taking them. and anyone who looks down on you for taking/having taken them is a mouth-breathing troglodyte.
so anyway i would go ahead and talk to your doctor and give them a shot. it may be a total gamechanger for you. as someone who has routinely failed at doing so, i can't stress enough to you how important it is that you follow your doctor's prescription to the tee. no skipping doses, no altering doses etc.
best of luck
I'm sorry to have misunderstood whatever you're saying, but you must see that your point was quite amibigious?Tankichi said:
Seriously this could be intrepreted a multitude of ways.
Likewise this statement is very anti drugs and while it is true that by not being exposed to as many germs etc, we are developing more immuno-compromised conditions, peanut allergies being one of them. But at the same time, that's not how people work evolutionally, we don't just become immune to an infection, a majority dies if it's untreated, a large amount is made seriously ill and few resistant surive untouched. I'd rather we just survived in general.Tankichi said:
But straight up Malaria, Tuberculosis, Syphilis, these are just a few of the disease which without modern anti-biotics we'd still be either dying or living horribly impaired lives with. Small pox, without it's vaccination thousands or even millions would be dying also. Yes perhaps drugs are over-prescribed these days, but they are still our friends and we'd be dying like animals without them.
I admit, I only used your name because I was too lazy to go quote and edit another post.Josh Kurber said:
When you talk about venting, do you mean professionally? Just being clear.
Pot, meet kettle. I'm not the one trying to supplant experts. Perhaps you should scan your PHD. Oh, right.TestECull said:
I'm not the one telling him what he does or doesn't need. I've discussed things anecdotally, and suggested both he seek professional opinion and ignore your tripe. Even if I was a PHD, I wouldn't diagnose over the internet, or give actual medical device. You know, the stuff you're doing.
Don't call me out for what you're practicing. It's dishonest.
Well, try the anti-depressants, if they make you happy they make you happy, if the side effects are too bad or you don't like the way you feel after taking them, stop taking them.
Form your own opinion from your own experience, it's not like they are going to kill you. Personally, I when I took them I had to go to an AA type meeting and that was enough to scare me away from them and I didn't like the way I would feel when I was on them, but, every person is different, try them and find out if its for you.
Form your own opinion from your own experience, it's not like they are going to kill you. Personally, I when I took them I had to go to an AA type meeting and that was enough to scare me away from them and I didn't like the way I would feel when I was on them, but, every person is different, try them and find out if its for you.
I just LOVE the fact that your avatar is Dr. House. That's priceless!darthzew said:
But back OT, indeed, your doctor is the one who will be able to help you with the right drug. People here on this forum will be able to tell about their experience, but what's right for one isn't absolutely right for another. That's also why your doctor will most probably want to hear from you from time to time, even after he's given your a prescription.
They're not happy pills. When I was on Sertraline I didn't feel depressed, but I didn't feel anything. I couldn't be happy, sad or angry. I wasn't crying as much as I used to, but I wasn't doing anything else either.
I may have had just a bad reaction to it though or the doctors got it wrong, it's not the first time doctors have failed me.
They made my skin turn grey too o.o I stopped taking them after a while and 'just got on with it' is the best way to put it.
I may have had just a bad reaction to it though or the doctors got it wrong, it's not the first time doctors have failed me.
They made my skin turn grey too o.o I stopped taking them after a while and 'just got on with it' is the best way to put it.
