After watching tonights Grey's Anatomy. Is a man allowed to defend himself against a woman?

[BloatedGuppy]

I still stand by it though. If a woman attacks a man, the man should defend himself.

Defend, yes, but there are a lot of ways to defend or defuse that don't involve using fists (which OP was specifically referring to). The "eye for an eye" sentiments in this thread are nothing short of disturbing.

The same mentality that applies to trained fighters vs untrained civilians should apply in any situation where you have a significant size or strength advantage over your assailant. I don't care if they punched first. If you haul off and seriously injure them, your stupid ass is going to jail, and it belongs there. It's not about patronizing women for being "the weaker sex". It's about common sense and social responsibility.

 

[Vale]

Having a weapon kind of sort of evens out the odds.
I'm unlikely to be attacked by a woman who's strong enough to be a legitimate threat with her bare hands (they exist, but let's face it, are an absolute minority), and as such if I were attacked, I would try not to hurt them too much. Same thing applies for a weak guy. Gender is irrelevant in this case, what matters is physical capability. If someone is strong enough to beat the shit out of me, I won't care what people might think, I'm gonna fight like my life depends on it (because it might).
On the other hand, if they drew a knife on me, I would definitely not hesitate to hurt them (assuming that running for the hills is not an option) badly enough to not have to fear further violence. If they pulled a gun, well, I guess I'm fucked, aren't I. Probably true for the knife (or really, most melee weapons) too, though.

 

[dumbseizure]

The amount of people who will happily hit a weaker person in the face while calming self defence is a little worrying though.

What?

It isn't like I would only punch someone weaker than me.

If some big 200 cm tall slab of meat went to punch me, I would still punch him back.

It isn't like the situation is "welp, I am about to get punched in the head by him, I won't fight back cause he is way too big, her on the other hand!".

Literally anyone who assaults me, I will punch back. Cause, surprisingly enough, one way to make sure you don't get assaulted again is to knock them down a peg.

 

[lacktheknack]

If someone physically attacks you, you're well within your rights to a proportionate defence. End of.

Jeez, if you thought that any other rule applied, the earth would already have been overrun by whichever clever despot was the first to think up the "army composed entirely of women" idea.

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OT: You should be able to if necessary, yes. I tend to have about 150 pounds on most girls, though, so I'm mostly limited to shoving.

 

[purplecactus]

I still stand by it though. If a woman attacks a man, the man should defend himself.

Defend, yes, but there are a lot of ways to defend or defuse that don't involve using fists (which OP was specifically referring to). The "eye for an eye" sentiments in this thread are nothing short of disturbing.

The same mentality that applies to trained fighters vs untrained civilians should apply in any situation where you have a significant size or strength advantage over your assailant. I don't care if they punched first. If you haul off and seriously injure them, your stupid ass is going to jail, and it belongs there. It's not about patronizing women for being "the weaker sex". It's about common sense and social responsibility.

I can see and understand where you're coming from, and I think our mentalities are a little too different to come to an agreement on this. Still, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not trying to say 'eye for an eye' is right, I'm speaking more in personal terms than I am in broad terms. I would hit someone back, yes, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do for everyone and in every situation. When I say defend, I do mean defend, and that doesn't need to mean lashing out in return. I just tend to think of hitting back before I think of how to avoid violence altogether.

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

No, he should just stand there and let himself get beaten up.

Jesus Christ, is this actually something to be debated?

I talked about this in my school during a lesson.

Everyone looked at me as if I was a potential domestic violence case, just because I said it was alright to defend yourself if a woman attacked you.

Yes, if its in self defense.

 

[Lilani]

In last nights episode one guy tells another guy that if a woman punches you (real violence, not a friendly punch on the shoulder) you either take it, or you walk away, but you are never allowed to hit her back and if you do hit her back and you end up in the hospital almost losing your life (as was the case in the episode) it's all your own fault.

I'm not gonna bore you with all the details of the episode that lead up to this, but suffice it to say this sort of double standard and, in my opinion, blatant misandry just makes me sick.

Am I wrong in feeling this way?

First of all, Grey's Anatomy is still making new episodes? I thought that finished years ago.

Secondly, this is the opinion of a fictional guy in a fictional show about fictional doctors doing fictional medically-related things to other fictional people. If I were you, I wouldn't question my plan for dealing with violence from others--male or female--because of a show like Grey's Anatomy.

 

[Tombsite]

The amount of people who will happily hit a weaker person in the face while calming self defence is a little worrying though.

What?

It isn't like I would only punch someone weaker than me.

If some big 200 cm tall slab of meat went to punch me, I would still punch him back.

It isn't like the situation is "welp, I am about to get punched in the head by him, I won't fight back cause he is way too big, her on the other hand!".

Literally anyone who assaults me, I will punch back. Cause, surprisingly enough, one way to make sure you don't get assaulted again is to knock them down a peg.

I didn't say that you (in fact I was speaking about no one in particular) would only hit someone weaker. But if you find yourself being attacked by a weaker person, you will have more options for how you can defend your self. It is then up to you to act with the smallest amount of force necessary to defend you and the people around you from harm. In many cases this means restraining rather than punching.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

As my old TKD instructor used to say "best defence, not to be there", that really goes for any attacker. So the Monty Python option is probably the best. If you really have no other option then yes.

 

[Arqus_Zed]

Yes, however, I see no need to retaliate with a punch or a kick.

Now, what I am going to say next might be considered "misogynistic" by some, but it remains the truth: In my personal life, I have never met a woman I wouldn't be able to overpower - purely physically speaking. So, if a situation as stated by the OP would ever occur, I could just hold her in a headlock till she cools down. (And to be honest, I think most men would be able to do that.)

 

[lacktheknack]

Yes, however, I see no need to retaliate with a punch or a kick.

Now, what I am going to say next might be considered "misogynistic" by some, but it remains the truth: In my personal life, I have never met a woman I wouldn't be able to overpower - purely physically speaking. So, if a situation as stated by the OP would ever occur, I could just hold her in a headlock till she cools down. (And to be honest, I think most men would be able to do that.)

I don't see why that's misogynistic.

In the last five years, I'm only met ONE woman who was taller than me (tall enough to be rejected from modelling because, while she was pretty gorgeous, she was too damn tall). Is that misogynistic somehow?

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

I do laugh a bit at the billy badasses here who proclaim "In self defense I'ma hit her full force" or "in the face". Self defense has taught me at least two things:
1. Full force is not always necessary force for self defense
2. Hitting in the face is almost always a good way to break your hand (metacarpal break, aka boxer's fracture)

Self defense is doing enough to keep the other person from harming you, with varying degrees, usually by being smart about where you hit them or what you do. Learn where to hit someone for maximum effect with minimum effort. It saves you and them a lot of damage, and is a more humane way of defending oneself than going all out. Overreaction isn't self defense its a loss of self-control.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

This concept of "chivalry" is almost as outdated as... watching Grey's Anatomy.

Ba dum tss.

OP: I'm gonna go with "always", even though I've allowed myself to get beaten/clawed by one-too-many psycho ex girlfriends. Or maybe because of it.

 

[BlackStar42]

"And don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back."

See, if you're going to take life lessons from a TV show, pick Firefly.

 

[KelDG]

If you don't defend yourself against a woman because she is a woman you are being sexist and you really don't want to piss the feminists off, they will go onto forums and make whiny threads about how you don't want to hit women..... wait, what?

 

[The Funslinger]

This concept of "chivalry" is almost as outdated as... watching Grey's Anatomy.

I don't think chivalry is entirely useless. But it's a politeness thing. You assault me, politeness goes out the window.

OT: Regardless of whether you're male, female, or Andy Biersack, if you take a swing at me...

 

[Colour Scientist]

I don't hit back anyway. I leverage limbs till they either calm the fuck down or I break something. Never throw a punch, such a waste of energy, and you lose the any kind of moral upperhand when it comes to the aftermath.

If you punch back then you're just another yob in a punch up. You leverage their punching arm so that they can't move, well then you're just defending yourself. If it gets broken in the struggle then that's their fault for struggling.


Defend yourself like a boss, look like a pro doing it and no one accuses you of scrapping like a child.

Yeah, I never got equating self-defence with a punch in the face.

I am a girl, I've had girls square up to me, I've defended myself against girls, I've never hit a girl.
If someone hits you and you think you can defuse the situation without starting a brawl, why not do that?
If a guy was hit by another guy and his first response was to deck him back, I'd think they were both wrong. The same if a girl hit a guy and he just punched her right off the bat. That's offensive, not defensive.

Why do these threads have to be "Er MA gerd, I can't punch girls, if they want equal rights I have to be able to beat them up, they're so privileged', it's retarded.

 

[Jadak]

. And I see a lot of people, mostly women, voicing their support for the stance that a man should never hit a woman, not even in defense.

Well, yeah.. Of course a woman would say that. Gives them the advantage.

 

[Mangod]

It has probably been mentioned befre, but I'll say it anyway; if someone, anyone, attacks you first, you have every right in the world, regardless of gender, race or religion, you have all the right to clean their clock. Just make sure you don't end up literally curbstomping them. That would be classified as in excess of what's necesary to defend yourself.