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Nihilm

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well either ban tobacco everywhere or make all the actually fun drugs legal.

Legal age to do something doesn't really matter, because time has shown nobody really cares.
 

DanielBrown

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The age restriction doesn't really matter anyway. I started with snuff(or dip, as you might call it) when I was 13 years old. When I was 15 I also started smoking. Some tobacco shops sold to me after a slight bit of manipulation and others didn't care as long as they made the extra money.

Most people don't start with tobacco the day the turn 18, but rather due to peer pressure when they're around 15, unfortunetly. If I could change something about my past it would be starting with tobacco. Don't know how many times I've tried quitting. These days I just cant be arsed to even try.
 

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I fucking hate cigarettes, the putrid smell that comes from it, and the fact that it gives cancer to people who don't even smoke. I agree with other people in this thread that there should at least be a age restriction of at least 18. However, I also think it should be illegal to fucking smoke in public. If smokers want to kill themselves, fine, but do the world a favor go smoke where can't do any harm.

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I kind of realize that it looks like I'm saying all smokers are bad people. That's not what I'm trying to say. Unfortunately, a lot of my family smokes, but they do it away from everyone else so they aren't rude. I'm mainly talking about the assholes who smoke on densely populated streets with 50 people behind them.
 

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brandon237 said:
SilentCom said:
True about tobacco slowing growth, however children are exposed to second hand smoke and will often smoke before 18 due to peer pressure. Also, is it really so bad if some people are a little shorter? I'm not trying to advocate tobacco products but merely try to further discussion.
I am sorry to say this, but if someone smokes because of peer pressure then they are somewhere between a weak-willed husk and plain pathetic. If you do not want to smoke (knowing the risks) and do so anyway out of peer-pressure then you have no respect for yourself.

Personally, I'm all for the banning of tobacco in public areas (including out-door areas, the wind is not enough) and think that keeping the legal age to 18 here is a good idea.
Woah! That was... so offensive and uneducated.
Peer pressure isn't as easy as just saying "no", whatever after school specials have taught you, especially for kids. I'm not just talking about there being some psychological press, I mean that it's in the very basic instincts of humanity to fit in a group. This is extra true for kids, where being able to do as you are told is vital to survival. Peer pressure affects EVERYONE, and to say that anyone that does something stupid because of peer pressure is weak is... I don't even know how to say it... offensive and uneducated I've already mentioned, but .. no.. just no.
I can't even get my arguments straight because what you're saying disturbs me deeply.
 

Brandon237

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Varya said:
brandon237 said:
SilentCom said:
True about tobacco slowing growth, however children are exposed to second hand smoke and will often smoke before 18 due to peer pressure. Also, is it really so bad if some people are a little shorter? I'm not trying to advocate tobacco products but merely try to further discussion.
I am sorry to say this, but if someone smokes because of peer pressure then they are somewhere between a weak-willed husk and plain pathetic. If you do not want to smoke (knowing the risks) and do so anyway out of peer-pressure then you have no respect for yourself.

Personally, I'm all for the banning of tobacco in public areas (including out-door areas, the wind is not enough) and think that keeping the legal age to 18 here is a good idea.
Woah! That was... so offensive and uneducated.
Peer pressure isn't as easy as just saying "no", whatever after school specials have taught you, especially for kids. I'm not just talking about there being some psychological press, I mean that it's in the very basic instincts of humanity to fit in a group. This is extra true for kids, where being able to do as you are told is vital to survival. Peer pressure affects EVERYONE, and to say that anyone that does something stupid because of peer pressure is weak is... I don't even know how to say it... offensive and uneducated I've already mentioned, but .. no.. just no.
I can't even get my arguments straight because what you're saying disturbs me deeply.
Seriously?
I'm 16 and been offered a great many things, and by offered I mean "There are five of us here, we are literally the most popular and influential people in this grade and some of us are your friends, you are having this naow".

If some average bastard like me from the bottom of the world can do it time and again, then so can other people.

If you give up your own morals / health / safety et cetera because a group told you to, then they aren't worth the effort. Sure, if you yourself want to or don't mind doing something they ask because that is not against who you are, go nuts, but otherwise, I stand by that statement, you are just being weak.
 

JochemDude

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16 restriction here, but you aren't allowed to smoke anywhere except certain designated places and in the clear sky. I don't really care, I mean I tried it and liked it, but let's just say I didn't find it worth the shitload of money that it needs. I'll just stick with some pot once every month.
 

Varya

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brandon237 said:
Varya said:
brandon237 said:
SilentCom said:
True about tobacco slowing growth, however children are exposed to second hand smoke and will often smoke before 18 due to peer pressure. Also, is it really so bad if some people are a little shorter? I'm not trying to advocate tobacco products but merely try to further discussion.
I am sorry to say this, but if someone smokes because of peer pressure then they are somewhere between a weak-willed husk and plain pathetic. If you do not want to smoke (knowing the risks) and do so anyway out of peer-pressure then you have no respect for yourself.

Personally, I'm all for the banning of tobacco in public areas (including out-door areas, the wind is not enough) and think that keeping the legal age to 18 here is a good idea.
Woah! That was... so offensive and uneducated.
Peer pressure isn't as easy as just saying "no", whatever after school specials have taught you, especially for kids. I'm not just talking about there being some psychological press, I mean that it's in the very basic instincts of humanity to fit in a group. This is extra true for kids, where being able to do as you are told is vital to survival. Peer pressure affects EVERYONE, and to say that anyone that does something stupid because of peer pressure is weak is... I don't even know how to say it... offensive and uneducated I've already mentioned, but .. no.. just no.
I can't even get my arguments straight because what you're saying disturbs me deeply.
Seriously?
I'm 16 and been offered a great many things, and by offered I mean "There are five of us here, we are literally the most popular and influential people in this grade and some of us are your friends, you are having this naow".

If some average bastard like me from the bottom of the world can do it time and again, then so can other people.

If you give up your own morals / health / safety et cetera because a group told you to, then they aren't worth the effort. Sure, if you yourself want to or don't mind doing something they ask because that is not against who you are, go nuts, but otherwise, I stand by that statement, you are just being weak.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were 16, clearly you've got the world figured out.
Listen. I'm not saying it's not possible to say no, or even that you shouldn't, but giving in to peer pressure can't simply explained away as "weak"
I'm real happy that you stood up for yourself, when I was your age, I did to, but in many instances things aren't that easy. I was lucky, I have ADD, so my social skills are a bit off, which means fitting in wasn't even on the radar for me a lot of times. But just because I as in that situation, doesn't mean I don't recognizes that this is a problem for many. Peer pressure is something we have built in, it's basic instinct, "stick with the group". On a primal level, doing what the rest of the group does means survival. If doing minor stupid things means inclusion, and thereby protection, minor stupid thing seems like the right thing to do.
Lastly, I don't think for a second that just because you've said no to smoking, you've never given in to peer pressure. It's in everything we do. It's why we have fashion, pop music national symbols. It's how we identify our self as a group. Sometimes it's harmless, sometimes it's less so, but we've all given in to it. If you think differently, you're fooling yourself.
 

Brandon237

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Varya said:
brandon237 said:
Varya said:
brandon237 said:
SilentCom said:
True about tobacco slowing growth, however children are exposed to second hand smoke and will often smoke before 18 due to peer pressure. Also, is it really so bad if some people are a little shorter? I'm not trying to advocate tobacco products but merely try to further discussion.
I am sorry to say this, but if someone smokes because of peer pressure then they are somewhere between a weak-willed husk and plain pathetic. If you do not want to smoke (knowing the risks) and do so anyway out of peer-pressure then you have no respect for yourself.

Personally, I'm all for the banning of tobacco in public areas (including out-door areas, the wind is not enough) and think that keeping the legal age to 18 here is a good idea.
Woah! That was... so offensive and uneducated.
Peer pressure isn't as easy as just saying "no", whatever after school specials have taught you, especially for kids. I'm not just talking about there being some psychological press, I mean that it's in the very basic instincts of humanity to fit in a group. This is extra true for kids, where being able to do as you are told is vital to survival. Peer pressure affects EVERYONE, and to say that anyone that does something stupid because of peer pressure is weak is... I don't even know how to say it... offensive and uneducated I've already mentioned, but .. no.. just no.
I can't even get my arguments straight because what you're saying disturbs me deeply.
Seriously?
I'm 16 and been offered a great many things, and by offered I mean "There are five of us here, we are literally the most popular and influential people in this grade and some of us are your friends, you are having this naow".

If some average bastard like me from the bottom of the world can do it time and again, then so can other people.

If you give up your own morals / health / safety et cetera because a group told you to, then they aren't worth the effort. Sure, if you yourself want to or don't mind doing something they ask because that is not against who you are, go nuts, but otherwise, I stand by that statement, you are just being weak.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were 16, clearly you've got the world figured out.
Listen. I'm not saying it's not possible to say no, or even that you shouldn't, but giving in to peer pressure can't simply explained away as "weak"
I'm real happy that you stood up for yourself, when I was your age, I did to, but in many instances things aren't that easy. I was lucky, I have ADD, so my social skills are a bit off, which means fitting in wasn't even on the radar for me a lot of times. But just because I as in that situation, doesn't mean I don't recognizes that this is a problem for many. Peer pressure is something we have built in, it's basic instinct, "stick with the group". On a primal level, doing what the rest of the group does means survival. If doing minor stupid things means inclusion, and thereby protection, minor stupid thing seems like the right thing to do.
Lastly, I don't think for a second that just because you've said no to smoking, you've never given in to peer pressure. It's in everything we do. It's why we have fashion, pop music national symbols. It's how we identify our self as a group. Sometimes it's harmless, sometimes it's less so, but we've all given in to it. If you think differently, you're fooling yourself.
But we live in a civilised age, following instinct is normally the worst way to deal with modern society. Admittedly yes, society is moving too forward too fast the individuals within it to keep up, but I personally still think it is weak of someone to to give into something they are against.

And no, I don't have the world figured out, but then again no-one does. What some years of extra experience mean vary from person to person, I have a cousin in his late twenties, and he is a lost, confused drug addict who has no will left to stand up for anything. Age and wisdom are not always directly related.

I also highly doubt I have never given in to it, but I have never done so in memory where it compromised my morals. And the err... rewards offered were a hell of a lot more tempting than a cigarette...