Agreeing with the "villain"

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Dom Uk

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When you've been playing through a game have you ever found yourself agreeing with the person you're supposed to see as a villain?

Two examples of this stick out for me from Star Ocean:TLH and Fable 2:

Faize and Lucien respectively

For me, their intentions were to create a better life for everyone and despite the fact that they went about it badly, their intentions themselves were good.

I couldn't force myself to dislike either of the characters because I agreed that they wanted to do good, rather than evil.

Have any of you experienced anything like this?
 

little.09

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good and bad are only a matter of perspective and i agreed with anyone in Kane and lynch that wanted Kane dead
 

Cody211282

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magus in chrono trigger after you find out why he is doing everything

Edit: Also the villian on The Rock, if anyone ever saw the movie
 

Panzer_God

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The Chechnian dude in Air Force One and most movie terrorists.
 

AmrasCalmacil

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Yes. Often about use of Search Bars.

But on topic: I don't actually think I've ever agreed with the villain, I've seen where they've gone wrong, i.e. Mithos in Tales of Symphonia, and can sympathise with some of them i.e. Dagoth Ur or John DeFoe, but no. I've never agreed with the villain. Unless the villain is me.
 

Jirlond

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Oh man - u shuda mentioned what game the spoilers were for! I didnt know mentioned ST4 character was da bad guy!

SAY HELLO TO DA BAD GUY!

It's my weakness to click!

OT: Revolver Ocelot - yup! he was cool!
 

Dom Uk

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AmrasCalmacil said:
Yes. Often about use of Search Bars.

But on topic: I don't actually think I've ever agreed with the villain, I've seen where they've gone wrong, i.e. Mithos in Tales of Symphonia, and can sympathise with some of them i.e. Dagoth Ur or John DeFoe, but no. I've never agreed with the villain. Unless the villain is me.

I searched for this and didn't come up with anything, if I found anything similar I wouldn't have posted it.
 

Kiutu

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Those are my favorite villians. My least favorite villian though now are villains they WANT you to agree with but fail at it. Looking at you Prototype.
 

Zacharine

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Magus of Chrono Trigger. And Pre-game Revan and Malak of KOTOR. Also the brother-races Ur-Quan and the Kohr-Ah of Star Control 2. After all
An Ur-Quan scout mission discovered the Dnyarri and unwillingly brought thousands of Dnyarri to the heart of the Sentient Milieu, a peaceful interplanetary organization of species. The Dnyarri used their psychic powers to dominate the minds of the Milieu. The Taalo were immune, so the Dnyarri compelled the other races of the Milieu to annihilate them. The Ur-Quan were the favored slaves of the Dnyarri, and the most susceptible to their psychic powers. The Dnyarri began to genetically experiment and separated the Brown Ur-Quan into two sub-species: the Green Ur-Quan were scientists and politicians and the Black Ur-Quan were basic soldiers and laborers. As far as anyone knows, the original Brown Ur-Quan became extinct.

Over thousands of years, the Dnyarri eventually became lax in their mental domination. A green Ur-Quan scientist named Kzer-Za noticed that the Dnyarri "detached" psychic control from an Ur-Quan suffering near-lethal pain. Using one of the few moments of mental freedom the Dnyarri gave their slaves, he injected his body with a lethal and painful poison, and used the mental freedom to broadcast the news across the empire. Dnyarri slaves everywhere began burning themselves and hacking their own bodies to give them the freedom needed to kill the nearest Dnyarri. This was refined into a brain implant known as an Excruciator which causes enough pain to force a Dnyarri to detach, but leaves the Ur-Quan's body whole and functional.

Now free, the Ur-Quan decided that extinction was too good for the Dnyarri. Instead the Dnyarri were genetically modified into dumb "Talking Pets", retaining psychic powers only to allow translation and communication with alien species, something the Ur-Quan now considered demeaning. The two sub-species of the Ur-Quan developed doctrines to ensure they would not be slaves again. The green Ur-Quan, renamed the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za in honor of the scientist who freed them, devised the "Path of Now and Forever", which states that all non-Ur-Quan sentient life be slaves to the Ur-Quan either as battle thralls, or forever be imprisoned on their homeworlds under impenetrable force-fields. The Black Ur-Quan, renamed the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah after their new leader, felt that only their "Eternal Doctrine", the annihilation of non-Ur-Quan life, would keep them safe from slavery. This led to a war between the Kohr-Ah and the Kzer-Za known as The Doctrinal Conflict, which devastated both sides. The Kzer-Za eventually triumphed through the discovery of an enormous Precursor Battleship named the Sa-Matra. Defeated, the Kohr-Ah were sent in the opposite direction of the galaxy as the Kzer-Za, with the understanding that when the two species met again, they would fight The Doctrinal Conflict once more, with the victor claiming the Sa-Matra.

That second Doctrinal Conflict is ongoing during the Star Control 2. You can't but help feel sympathy towards the two brother races, seeing as a single live Dnyarri, restored to full health, is at the moment enslaving an entire race called the Umgah. So really, the Ur-Quan just don't want to be slaves any more, having experienced the cruetly of a psychic master-race, and to be honest their treatment of their slave races and battle thralls is quite fair and surprisingly benevolent. Some races, such as the Spathi, even welcomed the chance to live under a permanent and unpenetrable shield, free from the worries (and dangers) of the galaxy.
 

lostclause

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I'm surprised that bioshock hasn't been mentioned so being the drooling fanboy that I am I'll bring it up. Who can't sympathise with Ryan and Fontaine? This is also part of the reason I'm raging against bioshock 2 having multiplayer.
 

Jirlond

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I usually tend to agree with any villian who wants to kill humanity to save the earth!

the day the earth stood still re-make would have been awesome is keanu reeves did kill the human race.
 

Sensenmann

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The bad guys in film, The Cave. They were right, humans are pretty edible...

I don't think Jack in Fable TLC even had a point other than be as massive a jerk as possible.
 

Knight Templar

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I am certain there was another thread like this...

Anywho I agree with you about Fable 2.
The person who is using you as their puppet (Theresa) is clearly evil, the person you are fighting thinks he is doing the right thing, and doing it for the force of good.

I really wonder why anybody thought it would be a good idea to play as the minion of a evil and blind zombie.
 

shwnbob

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Probably with President Eden in Fallout 3 all he wants is to purify the land of radiation. A few people will die but you can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.
 

Samurai Goomba

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Delita from Final Fantasy Tactics had a strange tendency to stab people in the gut, but I still felt the way he handled things was sometimes inevitable. He was a man ruled by his times.

And I think some of the last bosses from Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter were really easy to relate to.
In a way, YOUR characters are the "bad" guys in that game.