agreeing with Yahtzee: hating on Borderlands

[Sangnz]

Borderlands is one of those games that can be fun in the begining but seriously once you have played through it once you have have seen and done it all (if you are like me and explore everything) and after that its only fun in short bursts with friends. Even if you didnt explore everything first time around there won't really be enough left to keep you going through a second play through unless you give it a break inbetween play throughs.
The core of the game is gear period, a never end quest to find the next increment in your penis extension of choise. The story is pants, most of the boss fights are fairly meh (the last boss fight is terrible). On the upside the character design is great the game is fast paced and fun but at the end of the day it is a grind fest in search of a better gun.

 

[Kurokami]

I thought Borderlands was quite a good game. It took the standard wasteland-based FPS and cranked it up to eleven with amusing characters, a colorful world, and great gameplay.

I can see where Yahtzee is coming from, but I don't agree with his opinion entirely.

I must have played a different borderlands to you, cause the world was... well Grey is probably the most accurate way to describe it,

I'm not a huge fan of the game or anything, but this is the one thing I have to call you out on. Most FPSes are rather colorless, but Borderlands is far from being one of them:

Add to that bright blue guns and enemies randomly turning green and melting or catching on fire with bright oranges/reds, and you most certainly cannot call this game grey.

He was talking about the world, and the world as a wasteland still is very grey and little else, Fallout 3 too was grey but it atleast had shit lying around to make it worth exploring. The world in borderlands was boring all the way through, the guns I'll admit looked good, the enemies... I liked being introduced to a new enemy for the first 10 minutes or so after the introduction, and since you have to fight the same enemies in that game a million times over, the excitement only lasted for a very insignificant fraction of time spent finishing the game. As for the art style, while I really liked the idea of it at first, at times it just felt half assed, the loading screens were long as hell (which most religions will have you believing is for ever) and even once loaded the game took a few moments to get its textures up which I found odd. The game was also quite glitchy and I got stuck quite a few times.

Also, why in the hell does the game start skipping frames and screwing up the first time the angel shows up?

 

[sidereal_day]

Yahtzee is often wrong about games, so it is unsurprising he was wrong about Borderlands. Honestly, him being wrong about things is such a regular occurrence I hardly felt it necessary to point out that he completely missed the point of the game.

Although, you can never be right or wrong about a game, seeing as different people will enjoy different games. It's all a matter of preference.

This sort of relativist nonsense is just that -- nonsense. Opinions can easily be wrong, or at least wrong-headed if they aren't based on facts. "I think the theory of gravity isn't correct" is an opinion AND is wrong. See?

Yahtzee's reviews are hardly if ever based on facts. More like an aggressive determination to be an asshole and amuse people who think an opinion can never be wrong.

 

[sidereal_day]

Yahtzee is often wrong about games, so it is unsurprising he was wrong about Borderlands. Honestly, him being wrong about things is such a regular occurrence I hardly felt it necessary to point out that he completely missed the point of the game.

He isn't wrong he just has his opinion on something. Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean they are wrong.

See my post above this one to dispel such "OPINIONS CANT BE WRONG!!!" nonsense. That's something they teach you in grade school. After eighth grade, opinions can and should be labelled "incorrect" if they are baseless.

 

[sidereal_day]

Yahtzee is often wrong about games, so it is unsurprising he was wrong about Borderlands. Honestly, him being wrong about things is such a regular occurrence I hardly felt it necessary to point out that he completely missed the point of the game.

What was the point of the game? Cause I think it missed me. (not the other way around)

The point of the game was to play it co-op. Since Yahtzee was not only disinterested in doing this, but pigheadedly determined NOT to, it makes no sense to give any weight to his opinion whatsoever. His rallying cry that "games should be judged on their single-player" is bizarre, considering multiplayer games have become so important to the industry. His argument that when one judges a multiplayer game they are judging the quality of the gamers they play with is just a cop out. If you can't distinguish between a bad co-player and bad game design, you just aren't even trying.

 

[The Cheezy One]

agreeing with yahtzee is not interesting. he isnt going to be your friend
feel free to make up your own points in life.
i have found that i cant enjoy some games as much as i used to, because he has drawn my attention to mechanics i did not notice 2 years ago
on the other hand, he has also shown me what a quality game is like
OT: i enjoyed it
yahtzee isnt right, but he isnt wrong. you cant honestly tell me you agreed with him 100%, because you are not the same person

I like it. I find the loot system addictive and the shooting fun. Could have done with a few more friendly characters and some voice acting, but other than that it was fine.

imagine if you could higher npc mercanaries to go around with you, or you could import another character in as a bot
some defend missions would really increase the depth i think. the closest you get to defend is "go here and kill these people before they attack"
also, not enough set pieces, but that doesnt have to be a bad thing
stalker SoC had barely any, but was still pants crappingly atmospheric
scale the enemies and pc down a bit, and have npc alllies wondering the wilderness, like stalker, that you can assist, or wait for bandits to kill then go in there and loot

 

[LeonLethality]

See my post above this one to dispel such "OPINIONS CANT BE WRONG!!!" nonsense. That's something they teach you in grade school. After eighth grade, opinions can and should be labelled[footnote]only one "l" is needed[/footnote] "incorrect" if they are baseless.

Sorry, he has bases for his opinions, as for him to believe in his opinions they must be based on something right? He is sharing his thoughts on the game, so they are based on his experience in it.

I really like how you subtly tried to insult my intelligence by the way. Makes me see why I love this community so much.

[sub]When did people start taking Yahtzee seriously? Geeze.[/sub]

 

[Kurokami]

Yahtzee is often wrong about games, so it is unsurprising he was wrong about Borderlands. Honestly, him being wrong about things is such a regular occurrence I hardly felt it necessary to point out that he completely missed the point of the game.

What was the point of the game? Cause I think it missed me. (not the other way around)

The point of the game was to play it co-op. Since Yahtzee was not only disinterested in doing this, but pigheadedly determined NOT to, it makes no sense to give any weight to his opinion whatsoever. His rallying cry that "games should be judged on their single-player" is bizarre, considering multiplayer games have become so important to the industry. His argument that when one judges a multiplayer game they are judging the quality of the gamers they play with is just a cop out. If you can't distinguish between a bad co-player and bad game design, you just aren't even trying.

I fully agree with your criticism of Yahtzee in that aspect, its like riding on a Snail and later telling it it would make a horrible Dolphin. I however did play it multiplayer and didn't find it to justify itself, the games flaws still stood out, and I absolutely despised the inventory screen deciding to zoom in if you played it split screen for what seemed to be for no other reason than to piss me off. (it really wasn't necessary space wise, and the controls for navigating the damn thing could have just included a zoom in, zoom out function or something of the sort)

 

[mikecoulter]

I 'lol' at your suspension for the first post...

But I haven't even played the game yet. I was all set to, but just didn't bother. Nothing really gripped me enough. I'll probably pick it up in a sale sometime.

 

[Klepa]

It's an FPS Diablo.

Story is crap, but character advancement keeps you coming back.
I liked the game, probably because I knew exactly what I was getting into, and had the correct expectations. Had I been expecting an immersive adventure like Fallout 3, which a lot of people seem to mistakingly compare it to, I'd of course be disappointed.

I played it through once, but it didn't have a lot of staying power for me. Probably because the PC port wasn't as good as it could've been, and the end boss was a major disappointment.

If the game ever gets a sequel, it might make me a happy Klepa.

 

[Kramcake2516]

At the end of the day yahtsee is just another person just beacuse he doesnt like a game doesnt mean its bad people out there have diffrent tastes.

The way i look at yahtsees reviews is that he will touch on what makes the game bad more then why you should buy it..... that said i agreed with him on most of the points he said about boarderlands ,especially the bit about the guys with hockey masks them bliters are everywhere lol

 

[djpsykotiko]

I enjoyed Borderlands, Even though Yahtzee didn't so much.

I played it mainly on Single player and still found it to be rather fulfilling. Although I will agree that the barren'ness of the land and the overall feeling of loneliness is a bit horrible.

I rather enjoyed the switching of weapons, as it gives a large variety and uniqueness to each of your findings, which is a lot better than can be said about Fallout 3's "yay, assault rifle.. assault rifle.. assault rifle.. combine for better maintained assault rifle!" (while I am a huge fan of the game, the weapon choice does feel a bit lacking after playing Borderlands).

The story may not have been monumental, but at least the gameplay was great.

I will say that if there ever is to be a sequel, hopefully they'll keep the game mostly the same, playability-wise, and just make improvements on the story and make it a bit less bland otherwise. I could see the treasure hunters having to take on the Atlas Corporation, or trying to find a hidden loophole to get back into the vault.

 

[BolognaBaloney]

Yahtzee is often wrong about games, so it is unsurprising he was wrong about Borderlands. Honestly, him being wrong about things is such a regular occurrence I hardly felt it necessary to point out that he completely missed the point of the game.

Although, you can never be right or wrong about a game, seeing as different people will enjoy different games. It's all a matter of preference.

This sort of relativist nonsense is just that -- nonsense. Opinions can easily be wrong, or at least wrong-headed if they aren't based on facts. "I think the theory of gravity isn't correct" is an opinion AND is wrong. See?

Yahtzee's reviews are hardly if ever based on facts. More like an aggressive determination to be an asshole and amuse people who think an opinion can never be wrong.

Opinion based on a subjective matter such as gaming is purely relative, bringing in an absolute statement such as gravity to combat a subjective medium is foolish to say the least.

 

[SomethingUnrelated]

I like it. It may have its faults, but then, so does every game. Yahtzee's right on his points, but in the end, whether or not a game is good is down to opinion. It's described as 'good' is the universal opinion says it is. You can't just say something because a renowned person says it too. That makes you a bit of a hypocrite.

 

[metalmmaniac]

I fully agreed with all of yahtzee's points. the game has its flaws, however it hasn't stopped me from playing thru 3 times and doing both dlc's (all in single player). I'm anxiously awaiting the third dlc, looks kick-ass.

 

[reg42]

Didn't enjoy it. Then again, I'm one who tends to keep far away from online multiplayer, so maybe something was lost on me.