Aha! Antagonists you hate!

[Vault101]

A lot of people tended to leave Mr House at that point, but no faction in the Mojave likes the brotherhood and want's them gone, NCR gets pissed off if you secure a treaty (It results in the best Brotherhood ending, but you get chewed out) Legion want's them gone, House knew they would disagree with him and wanted them out of the picture and even Yes Man is happy to see them gone and disappointed if you spared them (like the great khans) The Brotherhood in F:NV is way different to F:3, The outcasts of 3 were the proper representation of the actual Brotherhood (and I hate the actual Brotherhood, bunch of xenophobic dickholes) I love Veronica though, only reason I didn't want to harm the Brotherhood.

I know that, which is why one hand people are "kind of" right when they say "they ruined the brotherhood!" in FO3. But theyre also kind of wrong in that they didnt [i/]change[/i] the brotherhood...just took a loophole with the "splinter" faction

in a way, even though FO3 and NV arnt related much it makes me think from a long term perspective the FO3 brotherhood may be on a better track in that they have a clear and posative influence in the district...rather than a shifty group everyone hates (though many seem to disgaree with me)

I just think there are better ways to deal with the brotherhood than wiping them out..they arnt all bad...(like veronica)

but anyway...I may have to replay fallout:NV to see if things apear differently (though TBH it feels like it has less replayability due to the amount of hours Ive put in and also reloading saves all the time to see different outcomes)

 

[Misterian]

Well, when it comes to villains I love to hate, I'll go with the Thalmor from Skyrim.

They're basically just Nazi elves, and they're thick-headed enough that you could kill all their major figures in Skyrim and several dozen of the Dominion's soldiers, yet somehow they still act like they're 100% superior to everyone when any sane man would be wetting their pants before a Dragonborn out for blood.

As for villains I HATE-hate? that's a tough one.... I might have to go with Gary Smith from Bully.

That smug little prick spends much of his earlier times in the game proving clearly how evil he is, then disappears for the majority of the game with Jimmy having enough of an idiot ball not to look into what he might be up to. BUT THEN, Gary somehow frames Jimmy for a crime (I forget what it was) and somehow it gets all the cliques to temporary turn on Jimmy.

In short, I consider him among the nominees for 'Biggest Villain Sue Award.'

 

[targren]

I cannot overestimate how much I detest Azula.

Mind you, I didn't hate her to the point that I wanted her out of the show. Really, the amount of loathing I have for her is a testament to how well she's written.

I have the exact same thoughts about one of my most hated antagonists.

Alfred Bester, Psi-Cop (Babylon 5).

Now I can't even watch Star Trek without wanting to break Chekov's nose.

 

[Vault101]

If you get Veronica to leave the Brotherhood to join the Followers of the Apocalypse, the Brotherhood slaughters them for the sole reason that Veronica was formerly a Brother of Steel. That is 100% evil.

WAHT? they slaught the followers?.....what if you destroy them?

[quote/]There was an option to let the Brotherhood be spared by Mr House but was removed (can be found with console commands I believe, if on PC)
.[/quote]

I wonder why it was removed...

but yeah, they think they have the go given rights to technology and no one else (well weopons mostly)

 

[ImSkeletor]

Captain Janeway is easily the most evil villian in all of Star Trek.
Though I despise the King of France in the Borgias. Just a complete psychotic and stupid enough to get tricked by a little girl.

 

[FalloutJack]

Captain Janeway is easily the most evil villian in all of Star Trek.

Interesting, but...huh? Whachu talkin' 'bout, Skeletor?

 

[War Penguin]

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Good thing I'm not the only one who thinks Caesar's Legion is a terrible antagonist.

Seriously, I thought the game would have benefited greatly in story if they were taken out of the whole "who will run New Vegas" equation. Okay, maybe not completely taken out, but have them not be a major faction to take over the wasteland. Make it a damaging wound to the NCR like the Fiends, or something.

Honestly, it would have been much more morally ambiguous if you had to choose between Mr. House and the NCR.

On the one hand, you have a man who doesn't seem to be keeping touch with the world around him, assumed to be crazy, and also might gain complete control over everything, assumed to be a dictatorship. However, he has had a well thought plan from before even the bombs fell, and he has great hopes for Vegas. On the other hand, you have democratic republic wishing to expand and full of people who want to really help those in need. However, it is hindered by beurocratic bullshit, inability to control raiding gangs, and incompetent leaders and soldiers.

Both of those choices would not be a good one nor a bad one. Both sides have their faults, but they have their plusses as well. Having to choose one of those would be truly morally ambiguous. Caesar's Legion really fucked that up with being the obvious evil villains. Of course if you're not a bad karma character, you will not choose them. But they play a major part that they sort of slow the rest of the story down.

 

[BaronUberstein]

but killing mr house....damn that made me feel awful....and whatever justification/reason you gave felt really really hollow

Eh, not for me. I saw him as a selfish charlatan, I was simply another tool for his use like Benny, and the moment I wasn't useful he would have tossed me aside.

Mr. House was charismatic as fuck, but I simply can't see him as the better option.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Caesars Legion, I like how people try to put them in the gray area when the game outright tells you they are evil.

I agree.....its not just the women are slaves thing (which kinda means I can abide by them at all) but also becuase their culture is brutish and hateful and everything I can't stand

Heh. Best part for me was listening to Caesar explain how he united the tribes and based them on Imperial Roman culture, which was about the most hilarious explanation I'd ever heard. I couldn't tell if he was stupid or just holding back every aspect of Roman culture that disagreed with his personal philosophy (like Romanization, which outside a few instances was far from "salted earth warfare", and more leading by technocratic and cultural osmosis), or that were borrowed from other cultures that the Romans had no concept of. The Romans were far from the most feministic culture, but the Legion's treatment of women overall is more along the lines of Ancient Greece, and the Romans kept slaves, but the Legion's interpretation of slavery is less "semi-permanent servants" and more in line with that of the 1800s American South.

So basically, just to add a further dash of black, the Legion is cruel and hateful, and their leader is either a delusional maniac or a flat-out hypocrite, who's one good quality is that he taught some people to correctly pronounce "Caesar."

 

[Vault101]

Well, they slaughter a whole outpost, not the ones at old Mormon Fort (thankfully) Like I said, they did so as complete assholes, you have to kill them anyway. This can only happen in Veronica's quest "I could make you care" Which cannot be completed if you destroy the Bunker.

The Followers at the fort are safe (unless you kill them yourself)

but they dont kill Veronica right?..or do they?

Caesar's Legion really fucked that up with being the obvious evil villains. Of course if you're not a bad karma character, you will not choose them. But they play a major part that they sort of slow the rest of the story down.

I dont think it messed it up that badly...cesars legion was a common enemy you could gleefully stop the shit out of

and even though I wrote the legion off as an option early..I still had to consider the other 3 (mr house. NCR or independant) and that was a tough call

 

[Vault101]

yeah, I had to laugh when ceasar said the NCR was "corrupt"

and the Romans kept slaves, but the Legion's interpretation of slavery is less "semi-permanent servants" and more in line with that of the 1800s American South.
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how were the roman slaves different?

anyway..they seem more like spartans than romans (though I dont know anything about that kind of thing)

 

[Infernai]

This White haired, backstabbing, ************ right here:

I don't give a DAMN if he took down a corrupt demon king, this guy's done shit i can never ever forgive.
The mere fact some people don't want to see him get sliced in two by a giant two handed sword or shot in the face with a hand-canon makes me sick to my damned stomach. As far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't get Karma slapping him in the face so hard it decapitates him by the time the series ends I'm gonna scream.

Joffery.
Motherfucking
Boratheon.

That spoilt kid is such a shit. In the show anyway, I'm guessing he's as much of a **** in the books.

Oh, and for why? Because he's just such a massive ****. Everything he does just raises his cuntiness factor by 5. No matter who he's talking to he's a ****, no matter what he does, he's a ****, and the worst thing is that this massive **** is related to the best character in the series.

[sub][sub]Guess what the word of the day is today, kiddies?[/sub][/sub]

Ah, but you see as deplorable as Joffrey is he has one weakness. TYRION FREAKING LANNISTER! As can be observed here:


and here:


Oh don't get me wrong he's an absolute shithead who deserves to get the full weight of the universe thrown at him as comeuppance but...you can't say the universe doesn't make sure the little Caligula wannabe gets thrown off his high-horse only to fall face-first into horse-shit every once in a while.

 

[Darkmantle]

They feel much more gray than Caesar wiping out towns, raping slaves and treating them like cattle.

exactally...there is no "suneshine and rainbows" option as each one has negatives and pros (I chose an independant vegas, let the people sort themselfves out...as much as I did suport the NCR in alot of ways..thats what I liked..I didn't have to delcare war on the NCR to get my way..though I did piss off that general guy)

there was somone here (ageis ago) who honestly though the legion were the best option...damn that was annoying

just as Im sure alot of people were all suportive of cerberus in ME2.....untill ME3 rolled around

what bioware turned Cerberus and the reapers into for ME3 was just downright infuriating. Pointless power creep really gets on my nerves, especially when it's to arbitrarily raise the stakes. It drove me nuts, and Kai Leng was the worst example of it. I was playing a vanguard and every cutscene he was in I found myself repeating "and now I charge him. And now I charge him? how about now? now?

It's like the cutscenes assume you are going to be a soldier.

 

[Vault101]

what bioware turned Cerberus and the reapers into for ME3 was just downright infuriating. Pointless power creep really gets on my nerves, especially when it's to arbitrarily raise the stakes. It drove me nuts, and Kai Leng was the worst example of it. I was playing a vanguard and every cutscene he was in I found myself repeating "and now I charge him. And now I charge him? how about now? now?

It's like the cutscenes assume you are going to be a soldier.

I dont think cerberus was ever intended to be anything but bad news

now the reapers....

I'm not going to go there

 

[Vault101]

This White haired, backstabbing, ************ right here:

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I don't give a DAMN if he took down a corrupt demon king, this guy's done shit i can never ever forgive.
.

.............he?

and this is why I don't like certain anime styles

 

[Syzygy23]

They feel much more gray than Caesar wiping out towns, raping slaves and treating them like cattle.

exactally...there is no "suneshine and rainbows" option as each one has negatives and pros (I chose an independant vegas, let the people sort themselfves out...as much as I did suport the NCR in alot of ways..thats what I liked..I didn't have to delcare war on the NCR to get my way..though I did piss off that general guy)

there was somone here (ageis ago) who honestly though the legion were the best option...damn that was annoying

just as Im sure alot of people were all suportive of cerberus in ME2.....untill ME3 rolled around

Same, I personally loved Mr House's ideals of Vegas, how he planned to bring humanity to the stars was excellent, I liked the idea of being his lieutenant, to help his dream come to fruition. I wish he and the NCR could have worked together, he didn't even dislike the NCR in any way, he didn't want them taking the city he loved away from him, perfectly justified. The NCR was greedy and while I liked their society, they kept showing little help to the people of the Mojave because they weren't NCR and their greed of trying to take Vegas from it's savior.

Independent is also good but I felt bad taking Vegas away from House. I do like how Yes Man will get an upgrade to making him more assertive and you can fulfill House's ideals yourself.

In fact, I consider House to be the inherently good option, I do believe the Brotherhood is an organization that is no longer needed unless they change, which they won't. I would have had little trouble destroying them if it weren't for poor Veronica...

Yeah, I chose House in the end too. Not because I agreed with him on the whole "Autocrat" thing, but because he was the last remaining man who could create teh technology needed to get humanity to the stars.

That right there is probably the most important thing in the ENTIRE fallout universe. The world is an irradiated mess nearly depleted of all its natural resources. Any sane man should be a supporter of Houses "This-world-is-fucked-let's-find-a-new-one" plan.