Aha! Antagonists you hate!

[Darkmantle]

what bioware turned Cerberus and the reapers into for ME3 was just downright infuriating. Pointless power creep really gets on my nerves, especially when it's to arbitrarily raise the stakes. It drove me nuts, and Kai Leng was the worst example of it. I was playing a vanguard and every cutscene he was in I found myself repeating "and now I charge him. And now I charge him? how about now? now?

It's like the cutscenes assume you are going to be a soldier.

I dont think cerberus was ever intended to be anything but bad news

now the reapers....

I'm not going to go there

Oh I knew they were bad news, what I don't believe is that in 6 months they somehow became a galactic superpower. They only had 100-200 people in Me2, but in ME3 you get waves upon waves upon waves of them. And they have all kinds of cruisers and fighters and space stations. That's what I mean by power creep.

The bad writing begins right at the start too.

[rant]

Spoiler

Remember when you get to mars, one of your squad mates says "only two trucks? the must have had help from the inside". Only two trucks, how many Cerberus troops did you kill in that facility? 50? 100? I lost count. But they somehow showed in a shuttle and two makos.

they did the same thing to the reapers,

Spoiler

a single fleet of human ships defeated a reaper and a geth fleet in ME1, but in ME3 it takes the whole quarian flotilla 3-4 volleys. That's bullshit.

[/rant]

 

[Vault101]

Oh I knew they were bad news, what I don't believe is that in 6 months they somehow became a galactic superpower. They only had 100-200 people in Me2,

huh?..what indicated this?...we are purposfully (us and shepard) kept in the dark about cerberus throughout ME2...all we know is that they operate in secrative "Cells" so theres no way we could even guess at the numbers of personel

the lazerus project, project overlord, the project with jack (albeit in the past)..the plot to take over omega (comics) all happen independantly of one another and its clear those combined require more than 100-200 people

[quote/]but in ME3 you get waves upon waves upon waves of them. And they have all kinds of cruisers and fighters and space stations. That's what I mean by power creep.
[/quote]

if they have rescourced to rebuild the normandy and shepard I'm pretty sure they can get themselfs ships/troops within 6 months...that may not mean building all those ships...but giving alot of ships paintjobs

also (if I'm going to pull some fanwank) mabye Shepard "alledged" involvment with cerberus may have pulled them some well meaning but misguided recruits..mabye even ex alliance...I mean before they went all "crazy and reaperfied"

 

[Vault101]

That right there is probably the most important thing in the ENTIRE fallout universe. The world is an irradiated mess nearly depleted of all its natural resources. Any sane man should be a supporter of Houses "This-world-is-fucked-let's-find-a-new-one" plan.

problem I have with that though is the "little people" are going to be left behined..at least thats the first thing I figured when I heard that

I would say though it seems the Area around Vegas is doing pretty well in Fallout terms

 

[Reaper195]

That one ************ in Vice in LA Noire. Seriously...never hated a character in anything so much before. The moment I got the chance, I ran him over in his own car, failed for killing him. Then did it again. I also always kept leaving him behind whenever I went anywhere.

Joffery.
Motherfucking
Boratheon.

That spoilt kid is such a shit. In the show anyway, I'm guessing he's as much of a **** in the books.

Oh, and for why? Because he's just such a massive ****. Everything he does just raises his cuntiness factor by 5. No matter who he's talking to he's a ****, no matter what he does, he's a ****, and the worst thing is that this massive **** is related to the best character in the series.

[sub][sub]Guess what the word of the day is today, kiddies?[/sub][/sub]

Is it....'He'?

But yeah, Joffery is as such a ****** in the books, even more so since he's featured a lot more. The scene of him stripping Sansa is also a lot longer and violent/naked/abusive. Which is what makes Joffery great. A good character is a character that evokes an incredibly strong feeling inside the reader, irrelevant of the emotion.

But..yeah...he's a ****.

 

[War Penguin]

Caesar's Legion really fucked that up with being the obvious evil villains. Of course if you're not a bad karma character, you will not choose them. But they play a major part that they sort of slow the rest of the story down.

I dont think it messed it up that badly...cesars legion was a common enemy you could gleefully stop the shit out of

and even though I wrote the legion off as an option early..I still had to consider the other 3 (mr house. NCR or independant) and that was a tough call

I also wrote them off early on as an option. However, since so much emphasis was put on them, they felt like a major distraction. Almost all of the people that were from the NCR that I talked to [small](which is a damn large percentage, mind you)[/small] would not shut up about them. I felt like they were the obvious bad guy that you had to take on.

Another thing that bugged me about the Legion was how the conflict seemed to be more about the Legion vs the NCR, rather than Legion vs House vs NCR. Don't get me wrong, I felt bad for killing him when I helped the different factions, but House felt like a distraction if you didn't follow his quest line. Again, if it was more about House and the NCR, the game would have been much more interesting. But the Legion was too much of a distraction with too much emphasis put on them that they sort of ruined that conflict. Like I said, they were the big bad guy you had to face and that choosing any other option was a good option compared to them. If it was just House and NCR [small](and independent if the developers *ahem* played their cards right)[/small], then your choices would feel like there was a major impact and moral dilemma.

 

[Vault101]

would not shut up about them. I felt like they were the obvious bad guy that you had to take on.

Another thing that bugged me about the Legion was how the conflict seemed to be more about the Legion vs the NCR, rather than Legion vs House vs NCR. Don't get me wrong, I felt bad for killing him when I helped the different factions, but House felt like a distraction if you didn't follow his quest line. Again, if it was more about House and the NCR, the game would have been much more interesting. But the Legion was too much of a distraction with too much emphasis put on them that they sort of ruined that conflict. Like I said, they were the big bad guy you had to face and that choosing any other option was a good option compared to them. If it was just House and NCR [small](and independent if the developers *ahem* played their cards right)[/small], then your choices would feel like there was a major impact and moral dilemma.

I think mabye the desicion to kill mr house (for whoever) may come a little early

but I always figured it was "legion vs NCR" and everyone else was kind of getting caught in the crossfire...but yeah

I still felt like there was major impact and moral dilemmas from my choiced..

 

[Darkmantle]

Oh I knew they were bad news, what I don't believe is that in 6 months they somehow became a galactic superpower. They only had 100-200 people in Me2,

huh?..what indicated this?...we are purposfully (us and shepard) kept in the dark about cerberus throughout ME2...all we know is that they operate in secrative "Cells" so theres no way we could even guess at the numbers of personel

the lazerus project, project overlord, the project with jack (albeit in the past)..the plot to take over omega (comics) all happen independantly of one another and its clear those combined require more than 100-200 people

[quote/]but in ME3 you get waves upon waves upon waves of them. And they have all kinds of cruisers and fighters and space stations. That's what I mean by power creep.

if they have rescourced to rebuild the normandy and shepard I'm pretty sure they can get themselfs ships/troops within 6 months...that may not mean building all those ships...but giving alot of ships paintjobs

also (if I'm going to pull some fanwank) mabye Shepard "alledged" involvment with cerberus may have pulled them some well meaning but misguided recruits..mabye even ex alliance...I mean before they went all "crazy and reaperfied"[/quote]

Spoiler

Once Joker breaks EDI's AI restrictions during the collector attacks, you can go back and talk to her again, and she will data mine the cerberus servers for you. She states there are 3 Ceberus cells each made up of 50 people, one cell belonged to miranda. You could argue that ED missed something, or that there was hidden data, but what's the point? Why not just have ED not know? It's a total lack of foreshadowing. Oh, an EDI tells you their yearly income too, which is not nearly high enough to support that many soldiers with that much equipment.

The big problem I have with this is that Cerberus in ME3 is a force that is far more powerful than any government or even the citadel forces. They somehow managed to attack the citadel, capture ALL of Omega, (which is insane enough what with all the mercs there) attack the mars facility, attack several other alliance military installations, take over a refuge camp without anyone knowing, attack a whole colony (killing all it's defenders and suppressing the militia), Assault and nearly destroy a secret STG facility, all at about the same time, within weeks of each other. Too much power in too little time, too little build up, and no foreshadowing. And I know I'm forgetting a few things.

And, no offence intended, but if you have to use fan wank to try and justify the story, it's probably just a bad story. I feel they artificially and ham handedly raised the stakes to try and make a silly appeal to emotion, which seems to have worked. I actually liked the story right up until tuchunka. I could have overlooked the rest, but then it went all down hill for me.

 

[thereverend7]

This White haired, backstabbing, ************ right here:

YES. So many villains I actually really like as characters, but this guy was above and beyond, easily the worst villain i've seen, to the point that you don't like hating them (Like Vicous in Cowboy Bebop, you know he's a bad guy, but come on, he's got a sword and crow. or raven? some bird.) You just HAAAAAAAAAATE them. That final scene of the Berserk Anime had me staring at my screen, mouth open, sick to my stomach. I really should read the manga and find out what happens at some point...

 

[Vault101]

And, no offence intended, but if you have to use fan wank to try and justify the story, it's probably just a bad story. I feel they artificially and ham handedly raised the stakes to try and make a silly appeal to emotion, which seems to have worked. I actually liked the story right up until tuchunka. I could have overlooked the rest, but then it went all down hill for me.

huh well I will admit that I didn't know that

for whatever reason cerberuses power/presance wasnt really a surprise to me since I jsut figured the were probably like that

but yeah...

 

[War Penguin]

would not shut up about them. I felt like they were the obvious bad guy that you had to take on.

Another thing that bugged me about the Legion was how the conflict seemed to be more about the Legion vs the NCR, rather than Legion vs House vs NCR. Don't get me wrong, I felt bad for killing him when I helped the different factions, but House felt like a distraction if you didn't follow his quest line. Again, if it was more about House and the NCR, the game would have been much more interesting. But the Legion was too much of a distraction with too much emphasis put on them that they sort of ruined that conflict. Like I said, they were the big bad guy you had to face and that choosing any other option was a good option compared to them. If it was just House and NCR [small](and independent if the developers *ahem* played their cards right)[/small], then your choices would feel like there was a major impact and moral dilemma.

I think mabye the desicion to kill mr house (for whoever) may come a little early

but I always figured it was "legion vs NCR" and everyone else was kind of getting caught in the crossfire...but yeah

I still felt like there was major impact and moral dilemmas from my choiced..

Hm... Well...

I liked the NCR quests because you had a good share of evil options, making NCR an evil choice if you wished.

I liked the House quest line because I felt certain implications that House was going mad, making quite ambiguous whether or not he was a good option.

I liked Yes Man because... well, all of the above.

But the Legion... They felt way too out of place. Everything you did for the Legion took away karma, where as things you'll do in the other quest lines can give you karma if you wished.

 

[Darkmantle]

And, no offence intended, but if you have to use fan wank to try and justify the story, it's probably just a bad story. I feel they artificially and ham handedly raised the stakes to try and make a silly appeal to emotion, which seems to have worked. I actually liked the story right up until tuchunka. I could have overlooked the rest, but then it went all down hill for me.

huh well I will admit that I didn't know that

for whatever reason cerberuses power/presance wasnt really a surprise to me since I jsut figured the were probably like that

but yeah...

I know, I felt like that too, but they pulled off just one too many impossible capers and it soured my whole experience past that. Cerberus and the Reapers are now my most hated antagonists because of it too. Power creep in general just grates on me.

 

[Byere]

-snip-

For me, it's pretty much ANYONE who tries to enforce slavery. I don't care if it's real life or in a game, the one thing that seriously makes my blood boil like no other time is slavers. In the case of Fallout and other games, the moment I see anything to do with slavery, I break out whatever gun/weapon I'm most comfortable with and turn those f*ckers into mulch. I refuse to do any quest that involves/ends in me forcing slavery unto others and slaughter ANYONE who tries to give me such a quest.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Nena Trinity from Gundam 00

Spoiler

So she decided to shoot those people at the wedding just on a whim? Sure I can let it go if the reason was evil or had a proper reason to killed them but to do it just because she was pissed that she had work to do and those people were having fun? Just to be clear I orginally thought the Trinity team as a anti-hero/ evil team but not pure evil until that scene.
I think I was more upset that event pretty much ruin that other girl character life (I forgot her name).
All I can say I didn't care what happen to Nena brothers later on and I think she should had suffer more in her demise (a slow painful death and explain why she was going to get killed by referring back to that wedding).

 

[FalloutJack]

Hmmm... Wow, there's alot of Fallout discussion going on. Kinda' cool. Time I put in another entry.

Spoiler: In which Jack rants on about Giant Space Fleas From Nowhere.

Not to be confused with that wonderful giant space monster from nowhere, Lavos, whom we rather like for the most part. No no no... This is a Final Fantasy rant.

There are two ineffectual villains that stick out in my mind, the uhhh...final bosses of Final Fantasy 4 and 8. There is probably some issue with Necron in FF9, but I sort of let him go in the sense of "Oh crap, Kuja woke up an Eldritch Abomination lord of death!", which for me keeps in with the theme of the game at least. So...

Zemus/Zeromus - What was ever the point of this villain? The game itself was sort of meh for me as is, and I didn't like the final dungeon at all, but then we have out of nowhere...this old guy that wasn't in the story before, and then I'm suppose to feel threatened by him when he goes from old man to stupidly-named monster of hate? For what reason was this thing there? To my knowledge, other previous game bosses hadn't gone out of nowhere. The writers dropped the ball with this one. Ah, but this is just the icing on the cake. Time for me to reprise an FF8 rant.

Ulti-Frigging-Mecia - Putting aside for the moment that the game mechanics are terrible, the weapons are shit, and the characters are ALL unlikeable...lemme explain why this is one of the worst game antagonists around. You start off with the fact that this ASS comes out of nowhere, GSFFN routine, because it's some sorceress from the future. The backstory of Ultimecia is that she did all of this shit because it was prophesized that SeeD (That's YOUR organization.) will destroy her, despite the fact that she lives in a dark future where they're all dead. The LOGIC behind this is astounding. Because they're all dead in her time period, this must have something to do with the past, SO let's go mess with the past and time travel and compress time so nothing Timey-Wimey can hap- OOPS! The compression of time into one event is what caused her defeat. DOOFUS! So, the ENTIRE PLOT (which is a time loop of her doing) made sure that she essentially killed herself instead of sitting on her ass. Brilliant. And then, there's just the fact that her entire boss battle is stupid. Sorceress or not, there's no way that a frail aging woman can have THAT MUCH stamina in the stand-up fight or recover much while her pet is in play, or gain much by merging with said pet when it AND her should be exhausted at once, or be alive and somehow MORE POWERFUL after exploding. No, sorry, uh-uh, bullshit.

Because, when you get down to it, all the popular FF-villains earned their shit! Chaos was Garland flung back into the Temple of Fiends of the past to become the monster of a closed time loop, thus Chaos. Exodus (X-Death) was originally part of a greater evil that was trying to unleash itself, the story unfolding to reveal that shit. Kefka was a monstrous nihilistic bastard keen on delusions of godhood by taking the power of ancient beings. Sephiroth was basically part of an alien organism trying to devour the planet. SIN (because Yu Yevon is NOT the real boss) was created via false religion and a rather short-sighted bid for power and immortality.

 

[DanielBrown]

Dr. Nefarious and Tachyon(sp?) from the Ratchet & Clank series. Chairman Drek was the only good antagonist. The others were too much over the top.

 

[Padwolf]

Cersei Lannister, never before have I wanted to reach into a book and punch someone in the face. She is a *****. I hope she gets what is coming to her.

 

[Sean Hollyman]

Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3. Mostly because he

Spoiler

Killed Thane.

I was so glad when I did the Renegade Interrupt though >

He is a shame to Cyborg Ninjas errywhere.