Ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven

[Dr. Mongo]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Stupid people who use religion as a shield is what sucks.

Can't have the one without the other.

 

[Woodsey]

Even atheism is a religion of a sort, though one propped by a common disbelief.

Atheism is the opposite of theism. Religion requires theism before then forming hierarchies, leaders, traditions, etc. etc. which make it a religion.

So, no.

Also:

Even atheism is a religion of a sort, though one propped by a common disbelief.

Atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

 

[lacktheknack]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

 

[lacktheknack]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

That depends. Now that I got a buzzcut, I look like a nazi bulldog. Does looking like a nazi bulldog make me a sexy hunk of man?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

That depends. Now that I got a buzzcut, I look like a nazi bulldog. Does looking like a nazi bulldog make me a sexy hunk of man?

I'm sure female nazi bulldogs would find you irresistible.

 

[Callate]

I would swear that there was supposed to be more to religion in general and Christianity in particular than hatred of homosexuals. I'm pretty sure there's some stuff in there about caring for the poor, tending the sick, "whatsoever you do to the least of my people" and all that.

That the actual condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible, such as it is, seems to be either miscomprehension of context, mistranslation, or in the same league as eating shellfish or wearing blended fibers doesn't seem to have any effect on the enthusiasm with which small minds embrace the idea, to the complete neglect of all the good stuff.

When it gets to the level of insisting that their spawn's "freedom of religion" grants them free rein to bully students in their schools without interference from those "elitist" teachers... I want to say, "Look... just leave. We're trying to have a working country here, a working society, a working educational system, and your priorities are completely at odds with all of that. You aren't "persecuted" for anything but being mean, shallow pricks who want to blame everything wrong in your lives on people you've never met being different. Go away."

 

[lacktheknack]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

That depends. Now that I got a buzzcut, I look like a nazi bulldog. Does looking like a nazi bulldog make me a sexy hunk of man?

I'm sure female nazi bulldogs would find you irresistible.

Now, if only I could find some female nazi bulldogs. Got any recommendations?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

That depends. Now that I got a buzzcut, I look like a nazi bulldog. Does looking like a nazi bulldog make me a sexy hunk of man?

I'm sure female nazi bulldogs would find you irresistible.

Now, if only I could find some female nazi bulldogs. Got any recommendations?

D'awwww, just look at the cute little racist bastard.

 

[lacktheknack]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

That depends. Now that I got a buzzcut, I look like a nazi bulldog. Does looking like a nazi bulldog make me a sexy hunk of man?

I'm sure female nazi bulldogs would find you irresistible.

Now, if only I could find some female nazi bulldogs. Got any recommendations?

D'awwww, just look at the cute little racist bastard.

Ahm... ah... h-hi.

...

Daystar! I don't know if I can do this!

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

That depends. Now that I got a buzzcut, I look like a nazi bulldog. Does looking like a nazi bulldog make me a sexy hunk of man?

I'm sure female nazi bulldogs would find you irresistible.

Now, if only I could find some female nazi bulldogs. Got any recommendations?

D'awwww, just look at the cute little racist bastard.

Ahm... ah... h-hi.

...

Daystar! I don't know if I can do this!

Just take it slow man.

Talk about something you have in common.

You know, stuff like favourite food, movies, hatred for minorities and jews.

 

[Therumancer]

[
Again, you don't see it, and that's fine, but that's the entire problem, NEITHER side sees it. I do, but only because I'm standing in the middle looking at either end.

No, you're really not in the middle. You don't understand the situation at all.[/quote]

I see it far more clearly than you do, but it's fine, I didn't think this was going to be some big eye opener on this site, it's simply the direct answer to a question as to why something is happening.

It should be noted that a lot of your points about racism and such actually reinforce the other side, as most people on the other side are indeed those who disagree with racism and other forms of bigotry, yet for some reason draw a line here, and the video aside, not all of them are religious. If your ever going to put an end to this by winding up on the middle ground you need to look at why this is differant, take a lot of things you don't want to believe for moral reasons, accept them as having a lot of truth in them, and adjust your position accordingly. Of course at the same time the other side DOES have to get over certain things itself, including a lot of the religion based arguements.

I'm not going to spell that out in more detail (I've done it before), especially seeing as the odds of any kind of "eureka" type transformation are minimal, and it will just lead to circular arguements, but that's the basic truth. Until both sides meet in the middle it's going to be a deadlocked, cyclical mess. Legal victories at this point just make things worse as they simply encourage increasing numbers of people to ignore the laws and act outside the system. Ending this is going to involve what amounts to a society-wide epiphany by both sides.

At any rate, the bottom line is, don't be surprised when you see backlash, the pro-gay movement isn't winning, and never really has been, it just talks a good game of portraying itself that way internally. I suppose to someone who has been doing a victory dance of sorts among like-minded people, it can be a surprise to see the counter attacks, and realize very little has actually changed much.

 

[Combustion Kevin]

anyone else waiting for smart christians to slap the stupid outta their backward brethren?
I'm really looking forward for some pro-gay pastors laying down some rightious re-eduecation on these people, bible-slaps 'n all.

back here homophobia isn't quite as rampant but still disturbingly present, mostly coming from some misplaced douchebag-machismo ideals rather than religion.

but don't worry, we smack those dickblisters whenever we get the chance.

 

[Draconalis]

I don't care what the dictionary says... ain't is not a word.

 

[lacktheknack]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

Cheese on toast is wrecking my weight loss efforts RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. ;_;

(Like, I actually have cheese on toast in my other hand right now. And it's wrecking my weight-loss efforts. So therefore it is evil.)

OT: Or adulterers. Or liars. Or heavy drinkers. Or those who lust. Or gossipers. Gee, it's like they didn't even understand the WHOLE GODBLESSED POINT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Other fun fact: Jesus said zilch about homosexuals.

Don't blame the cheese on toast fatty!

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sub]Nah, I'm just joking, I'm sure you're a sexy hunk of man.[/sub]

That depends. Now that I got a buzzcut, I look like a nazi bulldog. Does looking like a nazi bulldog make me a sexy hunk of man?

I'm sure female nazi bulldogs would find you irresistible.

Now, if only I could find some female nazi bulldogs. Got any recommendations?

D'awwww, just look at the cute little racist bastard.

Ahm... ah... h-hi.

...

Daystar! I don't know if I can do this!

Just take it slow man.

Talk about something you have in common.

You know, stuff like favourite food, movies, hatred for minorities and jews.

I'll try... wish me luck, man!

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Whyyyyy the sudden influx of homophobes though? I swear it wasn't this bad a few years ago.

Obama came out in support of Gay marriage. It's an obvious attempt at garnering votes, but it has the right wing all up in a tizzy.

 

[Therumancer]

I could slew around a few quotes, like Napoleon's "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich," but I don't think it would fit the given context. Plus, people get mad.

Whyyyyy the sudden influx of homophobes though? I swear it wasn't this bad a few years ago.

Backlash. The very usage of terms like "homophobe" explains exactly why your seeing some major responses from the other direction. Basically it's an issue that has the US divided roughly 50-50, for a lot of differant reasons. The pro-gay movement has been increasingly offensive, belligerant, and unwilling to even consider the anti-gay side of things. Left wing media control helped maintain that and present the illusion that the anti-gay side of things was some tiny, fringe, majority, but as that was never the case your starting to see that side rallying and becoming increasingly vocal.

I'm pretty much at the center of the issue, whether anuyone wants to accept that or not, being in the middle between anti-gay and pro-gay. Being seperated from both sides (and disliked by both sides) it gives me a pretty clear perception of how things are moving. The left wing/pro gay side has had a lot of intertia, but intertia ultimatly fades, and your seeing the other side having rallied and it's likely to start pushing back big time. It may or may not happen, but I kind of figure you'll see the pro-gay movement gradually losing steam, and then things to start swinging back in a very anti-gay direction for a while. This will continue until all of the all or nothing "we will not negotiate on this issue" guys on both sides knock it off and meet somewhere in the middle, which will leave nobody really happey, but will throw a bucket of ice on the conflict.

See, the mistake you are making there is trying to argue that homophobia is an acceptable view on any level. Talking about it like it is an argument with two equally valid "Sides" (Which is how you come accross). Homophobia is not ok. It is not the worst thing in the world, but it is just not ok. On the one side you have people who want the freedom to love who they want, marry who they love and live a happy life. On the other side, you have a bunch of wankers who don't want homosexuals to be happy. Let me make it clear that I am not saying all christians are like that, yada yada, or even that anyone who is not interested in the debate. But you know what? There are plenty of people in this world that don't like homosexuals (For whatever reasons) but are on the same side of the debate because they care about civil liberties. I have friends who have admitted that the idea of two guys kissing makes them feel slightly ill. They still think that gay marriage should be legal. The kind of people who are on the "Anti-Gay" side of the debate are, without a shadow of a doubt, horrible people.

There should be no negotiation on this issue. Especially in the states.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Pretty sure "Freedom to be in love with someone" is covered by the pursuit of happiness. Ergo, fighting against the "Gay" movement is fighting against the declaration of independence. I thought you Americans were all for those old, musty documents?

Discrimination is bad. End of. Homophobia is bad, Racism is bad, you get the idea. Times have moved on, its about time the "West" stopped clinging on to this bullshit.

... and there you go, making my point for me. Everything you said right there pretty much proves the point and explains why the conflict continues, remains deadlocked, and sees an ebb and flow, periods of backlash, etc...

Things won't change until your side admits that there is validity to the other side and it isn't entirely the kind of issue you have convinced yourself it is. Likewise the other side has to do something very similar when it comes to a lot of the faith based arguements. Once that happens, it will be possible to see an actual resolution.