Ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven

[MetalMagpie]

Whyyyyy the sudden influx of homophobes though? I swear it wasn't this bad a few years ago.

Nah. It just feels like there are more of them because the internet (youtube, social media, etc.) makes it easier for a minority to be heard (and have their message spread around by people starting threads like this).

I can't speak for the US, but in the UK we've come an awful long way from the time not so long ago when it was illegal!

 

[DYin01]

If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.

In theory if there was no religion, then people would just put one together anyway.

Even atheism is a religion of a sort, though one propped by a common disbelief.

...I really need to stop pulling all nighters, it makes me all philosophical.

I don't mean to be hostile, but please don't say atheism is a religion of sort. It's the lack of a belief. Lack of money doesn't make you wealthy of some sort either. Lack of kids does not make you a parent of a sort either. You see what I'm getting at here.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

(Face palm) I hate people like this. I really do. I have no problem with religion on it's own, only when it's misused by ignorant jackasses.

 

[BartyMae]

One thing that's always confused me about Christians with the whole gay thing is that, as far as I know, being gay is not really made out to be a worse sin than everything else. Not sure sure why they focus on it so much. I know the Old Testament says to like stone them to death, (IIRC), but pretty sure that isn't valid any longer, (at least for Christians).

I don't mean to be hostile, but please don't say atheism is a religion of sort. It's the lack of a belief. Lack of money doesn't make you wealthy of some sort either. Lack of kids does not make you a parent of a sort either. You see what I'm getting at here.

Hmm. Atheism has always seemed like a religion in technicality, (but not function), to me, as it implies the belief, without any evidence to support it, of the nonexistence of a god, (while there's surely not any empirical proof to the existence of a god, at the same time, there's not really any empirical proof to their nonexistence - yet many people choose to believe one way or the other, based on feelings and personal proof). Agnosticism is really the only non-religion - no belief of and/or commitment to anything. Atheism, you're believing and committing to something.

Hopefully I won't be burned at the stake for this post.

 

[Pinkamena]

If the bible is right, then they better get started on buying slaves and stoning people to death. Oh, you don't want to do that? Fucking hypocrites.

 

[Meight08]

If the bible is right, then they better get started on buying slaves and stoning people to death. Oh, you don't want to do that? Fucking hypocrites.

Dont forget how the bible also says you can legally rape woman if your rich enough.
And the rules for selling your daughter to slavery.

 

[Legion]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Stupid people who use religion as a shield is what sucks.

If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.

Exactly. Religion can just be used as a convenient shield to hide behind, as generally speaking you are not allowed to speak out against it in case you are seen as being intolerant. Some people will exploit this to promote their bigotry or in some cases, justify it.

 

[Wintermoot]

this is brainwashing the kid doesn't even know what he,s saying

 

[DYin01]

One thing that's always confused me about Christians with the whole gay thing is that, as far as I know, being gay is not really made out to be a worse sin than everything else. Not sure sure why they focus on it so much. I know the Old Testament says to like stone them to death, (IIRC), but pretty sure that isn't valid any longer, (at least for Christians).

I don't mean to be hostile, but please don't say atheism is a religion of sort. It's the lack of a belief. Lack of money doesn't make you wealthy of some sort either. Lack of kids does not make you a parent of a sort either. You see what I'm getting at here.

Hmm. Atheism has always seemed like a religion in technicality, (but not function), to me, as it implies the belief, without any evidence to support it, of the nonexistence of a god, (while there's surely not any empirical proof to the existence of a god, at the same time, there's not really any empirical proof to their nonexistence - yet many people choose to believe one way or the other, based on feelings and personal proof). Agnosticism is really the only non-religion - no belief of and/or commitment to anything. Atheism, you're believing and committing to something.

Hopefully I won't be burned at the stake for this post.

I see where you're coming from, but I'll explain why that isn't right. Religions make claims. Christianity for example, claims there is one god that created everything. If a religious person wants to justify his or her belief scientifically (which is obviously missing the point of faith, but plenty choose to do it anyway) he or she has to provide evidence to support the claim. The person who makes the claim has to provide the evidence. That's called the burden of proof.

You say that atheists have no evidence to support their non-belief and you're completely right. It's also completely irrelevant. Atheists don't have the burden of proof because they make no claims. Not believing is the default position. Atheists do not belief the claims made by religious people. That's it. As such, it is not a ''religion'' in any way, shape or form.

On agnosticism: You can be theist or atheist and an agnostic. Being agnostic only means that you belief the existence of god cannot possibly be proven. You can belief in a god, and still belief the existence cannot be proven. You can also be an atheist agnostic.

 

[Cyrus Hanley]

If "no homo gonna make it to heaven" then I guess the entire human race is going to hell.

 

[GistoftheFist]

I wonder how many people in that audience wishes he was saying "blacks" instead, I bet they're secretly thinking it.

 

[Aprilgold]

I could slew around a few quotes, like Napoleon's "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich," but I don't think it would fit the given context. Plus, people get mad.

Whyyyyy the sudden influx of homophobes though? I swear it wasn't this bad a few years ago.

To answer why theres more homophobes, because homosexuals are now pushing for equal rights like to marriage and to be protected from being fired for being homosexual. Its more of just the movement gaining traction.

To also point this out, its also true that this has been happening for years and these same ideals that "Homosexuals should be caged in a eletric fence and left for dead" are being noticed mainstream because of things like the web.

Best phrase for it is that the Homosexual Transgender Lesbian and Bisexual movement have awaken the Bear who now roars loudly for the towns folk to hear.

I think the kid's right about that, no homos will ever set foot in Heaven. Though, I don't think anybody in this world is going to Heaven either, so it's cool.

Yeah, because we have suffered from the sins of wearing mixed cloths and cutting our hair, were fucking boned man.. BONED!!

Reminds me of the kids of the parents who worship the westboro baptist church, kids have no idea what they are saying and the parent have no idea what actual gays are like.

I find it delightfully ironic that gay haters think more about gay sex than gay people, they never look at the love aspect, only the sex.

These are the morons that think there is a gay gene...give me a break, anyone with half a brain knows there is no such thing as a fucking gay gene.

I can't remember right but isn't there something to do with the brain that decides sexuality. I don't mean that the gay gene exists, because that would be stupid. I just can't remember if we ever found a bit that decided sexuality.

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Its funny that they think that they know the will of God yet they do the complete opposite of what Jesus taught, which was tolerance and acceptance. You could argue that God and Jesus argue with one another on this front but you will also have to remember god loves all of his children, not just one. Just don't sacrifice the wrong animal or he will destroy your village.

On this topic, this has existed for years even before the Middle East gave birth to the three-major-religions. Its nothing new and bigotry will always exist before we tend to fight it. Go look at slavery in Europe and elsewhere in the world and you'll see that it existed before Lincoln started trying to tackle the issue.

No issue that involves hating others just springs up out of nowhere, it exists for decades or generations before even being widely seen as wrong.

Its horrible when you think that kids are singing this song because it could be a type of brainwashing, I can't remember the exact way it works, but it has something to do with mixing in peer pressure, the washer's beliefs and rewarding them for doing what they are told. Sorta like how during the Korean wars one side usually made the other look slightly more deformed or uglier in comparison to the allies*. Slip in a bit of influence into fragile minds full of fear and you can breed many types of people that you want to breed.

*To clarify, I don't fully remember what war it was and it may have been a war with Korea and China but I do not remember. All I know is that in some games to come out, like this Korean War MMO made the enemy Koreans or Chinese men slightly more deformed in comparison to the player.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

I?ve said this before: even if Heaven and Hell did exist, I?d much prefer to go to Hell because at least the Devil actually acknowledges that he?s a bad guy who does bad things just for the hell of it (see what I did there?). At least, if homosexuals went to Hell, they?ve have an after-lifetime of super-awesome sodomy to keep themselves entertained.

I take these people just as seriously as the Luna Lovegoods of the world, or the barbaric and uneducated tribesmen that believe in witchcraft, or the Pope who (until recently, I think) was against contraception (even though impotency, STDs and, you know, death would kind of go against the whole pro-procreation thing you're selling, but whatever) but fine with priest kiddy-fiddlers as long as they prayed for forgiveness. So I?m going to try and not piss myself off about it, and just make light humour out of it.

The Bible officially wins the award for the worst fantasy book ever created. I mean, look at the amount of plotholes and contradictions of its own mythology!

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

Backlash. The very usage of terms like "homophobe" explains exactly why your seeing some major responses from the other direction.

Homophobia:

1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

Well, from where I and the dictionary are standing it seems to be a case of calling it like they see it. Apologies if you are displeased with the label that identifies your bigotry. >.>

Basically it's an issue that has the US divided roughly 50-50, for a lot of differant reasons.

Can I hasz source? Last I had seen the opinion was 53/47 in favour of gay marriage; the opposition to which doesn't necessarily denote an anti-gay disposition. I mean even 35% of Texans [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Texas#Public_opinion] of all people in spite of being entrenched within the dreaded bible belt support gay civil unions, with 59% supporting legal recognition; the figures become substantially higher in any state once the issue has been brought outside the purview of marriage and support in general increases when going further north. So this leads me to believe you're either equating opposition to gay marriage with an anti-gay mentality to make your argument look stronger or you simply pulled that figure out of your ass.

The pro-gay movement has been increasingly offensive, belligerant, and unwilling to even consider the anti-gay side of things.

Firstly, again, sorry if our sense of decorum was lost somewhere along the line while you were trying to encroach on our civil rights, I mean sorry if we are offending you. I mean sure, one side may be trying to suppress the freedoms of the other, but that's no excuse for rudeness right? Such audacity! Secondly, when the opposite side is largely composed of religious evangelics (or simply the illogical and insecure among secular homophobes) and runs counter to the opinions held by the vast majority of the scientific and phychiatric community and who are trying to dictate what consenting adults can and can't do with their own bodies, the other side isn't really worth considering.

I'm pretty much at the center of the issue, whether anuyone wants to accept that or not, being in the middle between anti-gay and pro-gay.

I think you revoke the right to identify as a neutral party when you start labelling yourself 'anti-gay man' as you have done in previous posts and it's not even a case of passively disagreeing, from what I've seen you wish to put people on some kind of tracking register based on their sexuality, you are a proponent of active discrimination; ergo, you do not fit the description of a neutral party. This is not a difficult concept, it isn't a case of me not accepting your position as a centrist on this issue, it's a case of you not accepting the definition of a centrist.

Being seperated from both sides (and disliked by both sides) it gives me a pretty clear perception of how things are moving. The left wing/pro gay side has had a lot of intertia, but intertia ultimatly fades, and your seeing the other side having rallied and it's likely to start pushing back big time. It may or may not happen, but I kind of figure you'll see the pro-gay movement gradually losing steam, and then things to start swinging back in a very anti-gay direction for a while. This will continue until all of the all or nothing "we will not negotiate on this issue" guys on both sides knock it off and meet somewhere in the middle, which will leave nobody really happey, but will throw a bucket of ice on the conflict.

You're basing this hypothesis on what exactly? Western society (and to a more gradual extent the US) has been shown to be a taking an increasingly progressive stance towards the matter within the space of a few decades; Britain, France, Germany, Holland, the collective nations of Scandinavia, Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, Canada etc. you get the idea, have all become increasingly pro-gay in legislation and public opinion and there doesn't seem to be any reason for that course to be curtailed.

OT: Very classy parenting there. >.>

 

[Lieju]

I could slew around a few quotes, like Napoleon's "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich," but I don't think it would fit the given context. Plus, people get mad.

Whyyyyy the sudden influx of homophobes though? I swear it wasn't this bad a few years ago.

Backlash. The very usage of terms like "homophobe" explains exactly why your seeing some major responses from the other direction. Basically it's an issue that has the US divided roughly 50-50, for a lot of differant reasons. The pro-gay movement has been increasingly offensive, belligerant, and unwilling to even consider the anti-gay side of things.

I'd be interested to know what kind of people you consider 'pro-gay' exactly...

There certainly are some nutjob gay-activists who want more than equal rights, but the same could be said about any issue, and the nutjobs aren't really representative of the movement.

What I want, is equal rights, and that no-one is persecuted for being gay, bi, or straight.
Why should I even consider that someone should be?

 

[Psychedelic Spartan]

Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.

Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...

Not all of them.

Cheese on toast will never be evil.

What if for some reason the only kind of cheese available to anyone becomes Casu Marzu? Casu Marzu is maggot cheese...

OT: This is what always happens, people are racist/sexist/homophobic and they pass their beliefs on to their children. There has to be a point where it's no longer just exercising the right to freedom of speech.
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