And Jesus spake unto his disciples -somonels said:Ironic since there are so many gay references in the bible - love your fellow man, anyone? - and not a single 'no homo.'
Altorin said:Noones going to heaven.
Heaven isn't even a place.
Clever,clever. You lash out at all religion for some white-trash buffoonery! The problem isn't religion, its people. You act as if believers deny the truth, when you are refusing to believe that some people are just jerks.Strazdas said:The kid is right. Homosexuals are not going to heaven. Neither are heterozsexuals. Noone is actually, since heaven doesnt exist.
Religion is people. It was made by people, for people and people use it. to say people are at fault for acting like that is the same as saying that religion is at fault. the people made that religion. Yes, many people are jerks, that has nothing to do with the fact of how religion pose bad influence. Belivers often deny the truth, thats why they are believers.TheScientificIssole said:Altorin said:Noones going to heaven.
Heaven isn't even a place.Clever,clever. You lash out at all religion for some white-trash buffoonery! The problem isn't religion, its people. You act as if believers deny the truth, when you are refusing to believe that some people are just jerks.Strazdas said:The kid is right. Homosexuals are not going to heaven. Neither are heterozsexuals. Noone is actually, since heaven doesnt exist.
Equally you could say that about the "good intentions" of many escapists here wanting to stamp out religion completely. I'm saying this as an Atheist.MASTACHIEFPWN said:Good intentions always find a way of corrupting themselves...Daystar Clarion said:Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.
Probably the recent flux of Gay Marriage bills attempting to be passed, and stuff like that is making the slimy gits crawl out of the woodwork to defend misguided values.TheYellowCellPhone said:I could slew around a few quotes, like Napoleon's "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich," but I don't think it would fit the given context. Plus, people get mad.
Whyyyyy the sudden influx of homophobes though? I swear it wasn't this bad a few years ago.
But, but, but they have songs that say the opposite which makes their arguments stronger and more persuasive than mere logic and common sense.Avalanche91 said:Dear religious fanatics
God is not a sword for you to use to insult others, harm others or impose your own values upon them.
God is not a shield you hold up when called out on these attempts either.
Love, a sane atheist.
The argument for eradicating all influence it has on politics the world over is a pretty strong one...Binnsyboy said:Equally you could say that about the "good intentions" of many escapists here wanting to stamp out religion completely. I'm saying this as an Atheist.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. My usual argument/explanation is that religion is all about worship, and atheists never worship anything. BUt this is way more clever, and I'll start using it from now on.Eomega123 said:I feel the need to question that 'Atheism is a religion' thing. There's an old quote that's been tossed around a lot, and I'm going to toss it up again. "If Atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby." Even if you argue that Atheists have a creed or other such common belief, then it's simply a shared belief, and Atheism is still no more a religion than conservatism or feminism or transhumanism.gigastar said:In theory if there was no religion, then people would just put one together anyway.Daystar Clarion said:If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.
Even atheism is a religion of a sort, though one propped by a common disbelief.
...I really need to stop pulling all nighters, it makes me all philosophical.
Yet you forget that we only live once and the opposing side has no business even caring let alone holding the pro-gays back telling them how they should live their lives. It's their lives and their time on this world, if they have a problem with how the gays want to spend it then they can honestly shut up and go back to condemning them in their churches and private schools to promote their hatred. What if I were to say that the pro-gays demanded they cease anything to do with religion because it offends them? it would be the SAME thing. Good thing I'm canadian anyways, I don't have to worry about anybody telling how to live my life and if religion tried to make gay marriage illegal here they would be condemned and laughed at. You know why? because they should have NO power over law anyways!! religion + law = stupid!Therumancer said:Backlash. The very usage of terms like "homophobe" explains exactly why your seeing some major responses from the other direction. Basically it's an issue that has the US divided roughly 50-50, for a lot of differant reasons. The pro-gay movement has been increasingly offensive, belligerant, and unwilling to even consider the anti-gay side of things. Left wing media control helped maintain that and present the illusion that the anti-gay side of things was some tiny, fringe, majority, but as that was never the case your starting to see that side rallying and becoming increasingly vocal.TheYellowCellPhone said:I could slew around a few quotes, like Napoleon's "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich," but I don't think it would fit the given context. Plus, people get mad.
Whyyyyy the sudden influx of homophobes though? I swear it wasn't this bad a few years ago.
I'm pretty much at the center of the issue, whether anuyone wants to accept that or not, being in the middle between anti-gay and pro-gay. Being seperated from both sides (and disliked by both sides) it gives me a pretty clear perception of how things are moving. The left wing/pro gay side has had a lot of intertia, but intertia ultimatly fades, and your seeing the other side having rallied and it's likely to start pushing back big time. It may or may not happen, but I kind of figure you'll see the pro-gay movement gradually losing steam, and then things to start swinging back in a very anti-gay direction for a while. This will continue until all of the all or nothing "we will not negotiate on this issue" guys on both sides knock it off and meet somewhere in the middle, which will leave nobody really happey, but will throw a bucket of ice on the conflict.
Yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking. It's a shame that they want their kids to be taught intolerance, but it's hardly any form of abuse. Just really, really stupid intolerant parents.BathorysGraveland said:I certainly wouldn't call it child abuse. More like the parents teaching their child their own personal beliefs which they see as correct.
True, but people who think their idiocy is justified by an all powerful being are much more difficult to deal with than people who think their idiocy is justified by what someone else is saying.Daystar Clarion said:Religion on its own, isn't a bad thing.
Stupid people who use religion as a shield is what sucks.
If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.
I wouldn't get into the habit of quoting reddit all the time but whatever. As that argument is straight out of r/atheism. Anyway back to the topic.Queen Michael said:Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. My usual argument/explanation is that religion is all about worship, and atheists never worship anything. BUt this is way more clever, and I'll start using it from now on.Eomega123 said:I feel the need to question that 'Atheism is a religion' thing. There's an old quote that's been tossed around a lot, and I'm going to toss it up again. "If Atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby." Even if you argue that Atheists have a creed or other such common belief, then it's simply a shared belief, and Atheism is still no more a religion than conservatism or feminism or transhumanism.gigastar said:In theory if there was no religion, then people would just put one together anyway.Daystar Clarion said:If there was no religion, morons would find some other following to get behind to voice their bigoted views.
Even atheism is a religion of a sort, though one propped by a common disbelief.
...I really need to stop pulling all nighters, it makes me all philosophical.