Airlines asking men to move seats because they might be molesters

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Nightmare99

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Makes sense because of course all men are pedophiles and rapists just waiting for an opportunity. This man was obviously just bidding time between beating his wife. [/sarcasm]
 

chadachada123

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octafish said:
Good policy poorly implemented. It covers the airlines responsibilities and isn't out of line. Besides it probably plainly spelled out in all the fine print no one reads. Upgrades for either the male nurse or the kid would be a nice solution but I guess not possible if the flight is fully booked. I doubt there would have been any news story if the flight attendant had thanked the nurse and explained that it was just company policy and nothing personal in any way.
But, like the OP said, I would assume that you're not at all hypocritcal and would support such a policy for Islamic customers, correct?

It would be correct to have black members on a bus sit far away from white women, too, because they have a higher rate of sexual assault than white men?

There is nothing 'good' about this policy at all. It is highly hypocritical at best (because I highly doubt that you would support the above equally-discriminatory practices, along with most other people), and simply horrible at worst.

Akytalusia said:
Valanthe said:
While discrimination is bad in any form, I'd like to ask a more important question, Who the hell lets a 10 year old fly unattended?
which dialect are you using in your avatar? the way i understand it, it reads 'deal hith it' o.o;;

OT: i have no strong opinion one way or the other. personally, i think discrimination on any level is due cause for concern, but this level is insignificant compared to levels that are worth focusing on.
Insignificant? You do know that a man's social life can be permanently ruined just by the accusation of being interested in children, right? That men with families have lost their jobs or have gone out of business because the locals think, without proof, that the man is a kiddy-diddler, right? That many men would now leave a lost child crying where he/she is rather than help because of how society, let alone the mother, would react, right?

It may not be as prevalent as other forms of discrimination, but it is DEFINITELY on the high end of the humiliation and damaging spectrum, particularly to a man's social life or career chances. The humiliation that that nurse must have felt is something that no person should ever have to face, regardless of gender or race or class, but is something that, really, only men can face in the social realm. Even 'sluts' aren't shamed nearly as hard by society as this man and men in similar positions are.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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I think it's a stupid idea.

It victimizes men who haven't done anything wrong and probably wouldn't do anything wrong.
If I was concerned about my kid sitting next to a strange man I'd just switch seats with her and say she was shy.

There's no reason to make men feel like they can't go near other peoples kids without them feeling like they are going to be accused of something.
 

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Urgh, some of the comments on that site are why I have a knee-jerk reaction of hatred towards anyone who defines themselves as a feminist. Those stupid pricks who say they want equality but in reality just want to have more rights than men are ruining feminism for women and men everywhere.

If someone calls themselves a feminist, my initial reaction should be one of respect, not "Great, another cock-hating ***** here to tell me why my gender sucks." It seems for every fifty normal feminist who keep to themselves, there's one vocal asswipe who wants men in their entirety to be wiped off the face off the earth. That vocal minority is only furthering the spread of sexism, not stopping it.
 

Burst6

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Oh goodie.. this again. This type of shit never ends. As long as there are two genders and both of them have any say this will never ever stop.

I'm going to start a donation kick starter. Get lots of money together and fund a large group of scientists. Make them research a way to turn the human race hermaphroditic. It will take some time but i assure you that all sexism will end when it's widespread.
 

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Jez said:
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So what is your take on the airlines issues? Here's mine, quoted from someone who pretty much said exactly what I would've.

You know what? Most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most airline terrorists are Muslim. It only makes sense that Muslims should be kept as far away from the cockpit as possible. If they're sitting up front, just ask them to move.

So what if a few Muslims are humiliated? It's nothing compared to what the victims of 9/11 felt.
Any discrimination should not be tolerated, it's not magically okay since it happens to men less.
You're using that example as your reductio ad absurdum, but a lot of people rationalize that way. That many of the people on the site who used that reasoning wouldn't have done the same had the issue been that example is simply a matter of where their personal prejudices lie.
 

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Raioken18 said:
The thing is... justifications like that are common and it makes it increasingly uncomfortable for men in terms of relating to children. My girlfriend and I both love kids, but...

Ok, so this had only happened like a few times but in the past we had been shopping and come across lost children. The first time as a responsible male I took a little girl up to the checkout to inform the cashier that she was lost. Immediately security was called over and I was basically interrogated in front of a busy checkout line, then when the mother got there she just death stared me like I had kidnapped her child and not found her lost and crying... They also wouldn't let me leave till I'd given them my drivers license to verify my identity and also took down my home address.

So now whenever I see a lost child, I either ignore them or ask my girlfriend to take them to a checkout or to get a staff member. Basically because if I provide aid to a child, as a male I am immediately in the wrong, where as my girlfriend is treated so differently for performing the same actions. She basically gets thanked instantly and allowed to go back to her shopping.

This also makes me worry about when I have my own kids if I'd even suffer those looks as a father taking care of his own child, or if I'd be interrogated or death stared for doing so. Why as a male should I feel discomfort in the idea of caring for my own children or other children.

I might get used to that sort of thing but... why should I have to get used to it?
Jesus. That's a genuinely sad story. I'm sorry that happened to you.

I'm a guy. I've been a baby sitter. Am I like...suspicious now? Christ.
 

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I don't have enough hands to express the facepalm I'm feeling for this.
I certainly would have been angry.

For the most part though (from my own experience as an unaccompanied minor), airlines tend to move the minors into their own rows. That would certainly avoid incidents like this.

Another reason for me to hate people. Oh well. I guess if I don't go near people, shit like this can never happen to me.
 

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Baron von Blitztank said:
Oh fuck off! If we're putting it into potential possibilities then anyone can be a molester!
You see that person walking down the street? MOLESTER
Your neighbor? MOLESTER
Your girlfriend? MOLESTER
You? MOLESTER
Nothing is safe! Anyone could rape you at any time! Don't go outside! TRUST NOBODY!
You probably wouldn't be too surprised to learn that some women think this way. I've seen comments almost to this exact effect.
 

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Eri said:
Cheesepower5 said:
Ugh, what a pile of horse shit.

I totally know I'd get singled out for this. The un-manly drawback to having a manly beard.
A pro tip; If you have a big manly beard that makes you look like a biker or something, wear glasses and you'll instantly become a professor.
Unless they're rapist glasses: rtsp://v4.cache7.c.youtube.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQnG5UoDNDJXERMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYOzE0OHkp_zSTgw=/0/0/0/video.3gp
 

hazabaza1

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So... since when have kids been in seats away from their parents anyway? And since when did people get so fucking stupid?
 

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This type is behavior is becoming such a problem in modern society.
Children need to be exposed to the world far more than they are, and not allowing them to interact outside their families will harm development and make them shy.
I personally am often given funny looks as despite being 20 I love the swings at my local park and will often interact with the local children. I love children and don't see why I can not just have some fun with them.
Darn nanny state
 

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Eri said:
Baron von Blitztank said:
Oh fuck off! If we're putting it into potential possibilities then anyone can be a molester!
You see that person walking down the street? MOLESTER
Your neighbor? MOLESTER
Your girlfriend? MOLESTER
You? MOLESTER
Nothing is safe! Anyone could rape you at any time! Don't go outside! TRUST NOBODY!
You probably wouldn't be too surprised to learn that some women think this way. I've seen comments almost to this exact effect.
Some MEN think this way too, I mean, the person whose comment you copied in the OP was a dude, and like I said, many parents are uncomfortable with it. Lets not make this a `women-say, men-say` thing.
Gender discrimination is wrong.
So is letting your kid fly alone imo, but if it has to happen they should be supervised or in a special area. Not just for the molestion thing, but because reading more on this airlines have a nasty habit of not giving a shit about the minors aboard, and for the general comfort of everyone else on the plane.
 

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Eri said:
Baron von Blitztank said:
Oh fuck off! If we're putting it into potential possibilities then anyone can be a molester!
You see that person walking down the street? MOLESTER
Your neighbor? MOLESTER
Your girlfriend? MOLESTER
You? MOLESTER
Nothing is safe! Anyone could rape you at any time! Don't go outside! TRUST NOBODY!
You probably wouldn't be too surprised to learn that some women think this way. I've seen comments almost to this exact effect.
Hell I'm a dude, and I'm overtly paranoid about anyone I don't know. Hell even the people I do know I don't really trust unless I've known them a while.

You never know who's a pyschopath, who's going to try to kill you, who wants to kill you, or whats going on inside another persons head.
 

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This is a case of who the hell cares.

I dont wanna be sitting next to some damn kid anyway, let alone face stares of anyone who thinks ill of it. If I get the opportunity to avoid getting stuck next to some kid I'd consider it a seating upgrade.

When something real happens like guys being unable to teach in schools anymore, let me know.
 

DudeistBelieve

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asap said:
This type is behavior is becoming such a problem in modern society.
Children need to be exposed to the world far more than they are, and not allowing them to interact outside their families will harm development and make them shy.
I personally am often given funny looks as despite being 20 I love the swings at my local park and will often interact with the local children. I love children and don't see why I can not just have some fun with them.
Darn nanny state
Hell I don't know you from adam mate, but if you were around my nephews I'd treat you with a degree of suspicion.... And yeah, maybe that is a damn shame, but ya know....

Oh I hate to be the think of a children kind of guy, I'm only talking about my nephews of course, I'm super protective of them. I don't want to keep them from enjoying life but being molested will basically mean a quick and abrupt end to their childhood, and fuck that noise, ya know?
 

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Eh, I would have made them spell out exactly why I had to move. Then I would ask them what logic brought them to believe that I might be a child molester, then I would ask them very awkward questions as to how they know the woman they're putting next to the kid isn't a molester.

Make life difficult, they'll find another way to sort the problem and leave you to yourself. Most likely by moving the kid.

Oh, to add to the stories: I once found a kid crying in a supermarket. I knelt down, asked if the kid was alright, calmed him down and asked him what his mum looked like. He told me and I said ok, well she's probably looking for you, so lets wait here for her.

Five minutes go by and she walks back and shouts at me for being near her kid. I mean, god forbid I calm down a kid that's obviously alone and scared because his mum is too damn inattentive to realise he's no longer with her. I enjoyed knocking her down a peg. I hate people who fail at being parents and then blame others.
 

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QUOTE ALL THE THINGS!

Baron von Blitztank said:
Oh fuck off! If we're putting it into potential possibilities then anyone can be a molester!
You see that person walking down the street? MOLESTER
Your neighbor? MOLESTER
Your girlfriend? MOLESTER
You? MOLESTER
Nothing is safe! Anyone could rape you at any time! Don't go outside! TRUST NOBODY!
I'm a molester? Why didn't I see this coming?!? Oh lawd! D:

Overusedname said:
I'm a guy. I've been a baby sitter. Am I like...suspicious now? Christ.
Stuff like this makes me a bit sad. Some of my friends-who-are-girls have quite a bit of money saved up since they've been babysitting regularly from the age of 12-ish. I'd like to think I'm a trustworthy fellow but I just know that if I ever tried to hitch a ride on the cash train from the babysitting business I'd be denied because of my status as a male.

AnAutisticDog said:
You know, I always thought my mom was nuts when she told me to avoid situations where I would be alone/be around with someone's kids because people will assume things.
Same here. She's told me not to be alone with kids more than two years younger than myself unless they were family. Now I can pretty much see where she's coming from.

On Topic: I've never been on an airplane, but if they asked me to move I don't think I'd have a problem with it. No need to start a fight with anyone. Plus maybe I'll be next to somebody that seems like a decent person!