Well I'm glad they're releasing it as DLC as a later option. I got burned by Colonial Marines like so many others so I'm not about to pre-order another Alien game just yet, but I want to play this DLC. It sounds promising, but if this game turns out to suck, I don't want to waste my money on it.
So please don't suck game. Please don't suck. You have so much potential.
Alien Isolation is a First Person game so unless the Nostromo is covered with mirrors, it doesn't really matter if your character is wearing a Ripley skin or not.
Alien Isolation is a First Person game so unless the Nostromo is covered with mirrors, it doesn't really matter if your character is wearing a Ripley skin or not.
Its not a character skin, its a separate mini campaign like "Darkspawn Chronicles" from Dragon Age: Origins. The story of Alien: Isolation is set over a decade after the events on the Nostromo where Ripleys daughter is trying to find out the truth about what happened to her mother, this extra content is a short mini campaign set on the Nostromo immediately after Brett [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dSaO5G9vKQ4/Uit_tbBpW8I/AAAAAAAAFaE/j0KHwIYgjls/s1600/1cha_imgbrett.jpg] is killed by the Xenomorph and allows you to play one of the characters during their desperate attempts to get the Alien off their ship.
Its not a chopped out section of the main game, the main game is still complete without it and for once its actually a meaningful pre order incentive. Its up to the consumer to take a chance on it, they can take the risk of pre ordering the game to get the extra content earlier and for free or they can wait for the reviews to see if the game is going to be worth buying and playing in the first place. Waiting for the review is understandable and could very well turn out to be sensible, the last Alien game didn't turn out so well and Creative Assemblies standards as a developer have been in decline for quite a while now.
Waiting for the reviews still leaves you with the complete game though, the extra content is actually extra and some effort has gone into making it. I dont see anything wrong with paying more for more content, its like paying slightly more for a directors cut of a BD/DVD with a bunch of extras. For those that just want the movie they can buy the standard release, for the fans that are really into it they can choose to pay for additional content.
Whether the game is going to be good or not remains to be seen of course but without the "Crew Expendable" pack the main game is still complete, for those fans that want to risk a pre order or pay for the "directors cut" extra content they can play the additional mini campaign.
For once the complaints are a genuine case of self entitlement, Sega spent extra time and money creating this content yet people they are owed it simply because they are owed it. The game is complete without it and we will find out whether its a good game and good value in its own right but the game is still complete, yet people seem to think that they are entitled to this content because they are owed it for some reason.
Considering the franchise was just dealt a major blow to its reputation a year ago, they should just make it free DLC for the first 100,000 copies, instead of a preorder bonus. It's the same publisher as Colonial Marines, so while Creative Assembly shouldn't be judged until the game comes out, there's still the stigma of people who allowed a turd to come out(and allowed the game's E3 lies) working on this game. Sega should foot the entire bill for making the free DLC too since they could have salvaged Colonial Marines by pushing the release date back and smacking some heads until the game was at least passable. There's no incentive to buy this game even with the bonus, until reviews and word of mouth can undo the bad reputation from half a year ago.
Even if this game is good, there's the problem that the genre is a massive shift from the norm. That might be stopping many from even looking at the game, much less preordering it. I don't really like survival horror games and still don't believe the hype about the alien's super smart AI. (I could believe a decently smart AI, but most write-ups I've read sound like either fanboys gushing over the series going back to its roots in a way (Hey, Alien is in my top ten favorite movies, too.), or the journalists are watching the checks being written for them and swag piling up as they play the demo and take notes. If Creative Assembly really came up with a really good AI script, they would be wise to license it like some game engines.) I'd buy it day one if, key word if, I got to read plenty of (honest) reviews and they had this bonus available to the first few thousand buyers, not just preorder happy impulse buyers and the uninformed that don't know the risks of today's preorder dilemmas.
I'm not going to speak for anyone but myself, but I fully understand these people don't owe me shit. But you know what? I don't owe them shit, either. If they're doing something I don't like, then I won't give them my money. Pretty simple. Disagree with something - don't support it. There's not much entitlement here. More common sense, if anything. It'd be hypocritical of me to support something if I disagreed with it and wanted to see it abolished in the future, not increased.
I wont be buying this especially now that there is content gated off as preorder bonus. Fuck preorders. The other reason I wont preorder it is because they made quite a few shit games as of late and I for one cannot trust them to make one now that is worth preordering. Anyone who preorders from them are not looking at the past and taking a huge risk, bonus or no bonus. That's like sending a con man more money after he drained your bank account once before.
Creating preorder bonus content and DLC before the game is released is just sleazy and nobody should gladly accept such business practices. Overreacting about it by refusing to buy? No that's what everyone should do so they stop screwing customers over in the name of profit. Sleazy business practices deserve to lose sales and rightfully should. If they do not lose sales then they will continue pulling this bullshit and keep pulling even more until even the people that's fine with what they are doing now get fed up with them.
And this gating off a couple special mission is just the start on the bullshit that will be coming if it is allowed. next is parts of the main story being gated and as a later DLC. Oh the excuse is still it doesn't take away from the story because its a special side mission when in reality it is a chapter in the main story unlike todays DLC that is separate from the main story like Dawnguard, Hearthfires, and Dragonborn was with Skyrim.
For once the complaints are a genuine case of self entitlement, Sega spent extra time and money creating this content yet people they are owed it simply because they are owed it. The game is complete without it and we will find out whether its a good game and good value in its own right but the game is still complete, yet people seem to think that they are entitled to this content because they are owed it for some reason.
Yeah, that's right. Just ignore the complaints and call it entitlement, that really wins people over. Gee, if I could just label people as my argument every time I would be really making headway.
You can believe any shit they tell you but I hate the very idea of planned DLC before a game is released, especially when they can insert it in for pre-order. I don't agree with this pre-order idea. Cosmetic stuff I get, but this actual interesting game content is planned seperated I believe, and I have no doubt the giant turds of the industry like EA and Ubisoft would exploit the hell out of this reasoning if it's welcomed.
I'm not going to speak for anyone but myself, but I fully understand these people don't owe me shit. But you know what? I don't owe them shit, either. If they're doing something I don't like, then I won't give them my money. Pretty simple. Disagree with something - don't support it. There's not much entitlement here. More common sense, if anything. It'd be hypocritical of me to support something if I disagreed with it and wanted to see it abolished in the future, not increased.
I wouldn't disagree with you, every consumer has to make their own choices and I would never try to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't like. My comment was directed at the people that seem to think that "their" content is getting chopped out of "their" game, personally I see nothing wrong with the idea of choosing how much content you want to buy but some people are getting huffy thinking they are owed everything.
Optional extras and content are common in just about every consumer product ever, I don't see why it should be considered such a terrible thing when it comes to games. Just want to play through a basic experience and are unwilling/unable to spend all that much? Buy the standard game, are you really into a franchise or game genre and willing to spend more? Buy the super deluxe edition instead. There is nothing wrong with that concept at all, value has to be determined on a case by case and product by product basis but the idea of being able to choose how much content you buy is a good thing.
Some people have the attitude that they owed everything though, simply because the publisher happened to create it at a certain time that the self entitled arbitrarily decide makes it theirs. No matter that the content took time and resources, maybe extra teams, wages for additional voice actors etc.
Now can content like that be a rip off? Yes absolutely like some of the skin, map and weapon packs that are common and the micro transactions and "time saver" packs we have seen in full price retail games but value has to be decided on a product by product basis, I see nothing wrong with something like this where they have made completely separate piece of content (if the game is "good" enough and good value and is fully functioning and not full of bugs in the first place obviously)
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Yeah, that's right. Just ignore the complaints and call it entitlement, that really wins people over. Gee, if I could just label people as my argument every time I would be really making headway.
You can believe any shit they tell you but I hate the very idea of planned DLC before a game is released, especially when they can insert it in for pre-order. I don't agree with this pre-order idea. Cosmetic stuff I get, but this actual interesting game content is planned seperated I believe, and I have no doubt the giant turds of the industry like EA and Ubisoft would exploit the hell out of this reasoning if it's welcomed.
So because you find it "interesting" and presumably seem to like it and want it Sega owe it to you? I guess am doing my consumering wrong, I found the 32GB onboard storage version of my phone "Interesting" but for cost reasons I went with the 16GB version instead.
I guess I should have thrown a hissy fit and refused to buy it and call Samsung a bunch of names, I mean they designed the phone at the same time, they where made in the same factory at the same time and the PCB and OS is designed to support the larger chip and they chopped it out and put a smaller one in! Then there is my car... The sat nav would fit in the slot where I just have the ICE and climate control screen! The wiring loom back there is all the same, they designed the car to support it and they just didn't fit in the factory in the model I have. Ford are robbing exploitative gits!
Or wait, no I can carry on doing the sensible thing and understand that optional extras are a thing and having the choice about how much product you buy can actually be a good thing and the consumer needs to evaluate the value of each product on a individual case by case basis instead.
Yeah, that's right. Just ignore the complaints and call it entitlement, that really wins people over. Gee, if I could just label people as my argument every time I would be really making headway.
You can believe any shit they tell you but I hate the very idea of planned DLC before a game is released, especially when they can insert it in for pre-order. I don't agree with this pre-order idea. Cosmetic stuff I get, but this actual interesting game content is planned seperated I believe, and I have no doubt the giant turds of the industry like EA and Ubisoft would exploit the hell out of this reasoning if it's welcomed.
So because you find it "interesting" and presumably seem to like it and want it Sega owe it to you? I guess am doing my consumering wrong, I found the 32GB onboard storage version of my phone "Interesting" but for cost reasons I went with the 16GB version instead.
I guess I should have thrown a hissy fit and refused to buy it and call Samsung a bunch of names, I mean they designed the phone at the same time, they where made in the same factory at the same time and the PCB and OS is designed to support the larger chip and they chopped it out and put a smaller one in! Then there is my car... The sat nav would fit in the slot where I just the ICE and climate control screen! The wiring loom back there is all the same, they designed the car to support it and they just didn't fit in the factory in the model I have. Ford are robbing exploitative gits!
Or wait, no I can carry on doing the sensible thing and understand that optional extras are a thing and you having the choice about how much product you buy is actually a good thing and the consumer needs to evaluate the value of each product on a individual case by case basis instead.
You seem to have ignored that I hate DLC planned for a game is released, and that it could be total bullshit coming from them, and that it could be easily exploitable. Then you give me this pointless comparison with phone tech and confuse optional extra's with what I'm saying.
Yeah, that's right. Just ignore the complaints and call it entitlement, that really wins people over. Gee, if I could just label people as my argument every time I would be really making headway.
You can believe any shit they tell you but I hate the very idea of planned DLC before a game is released, especially when they can insert it in for pre-order. I don't agree with this pre-order idea. Cosmetic stuff I get, but this actual interesting game content is planned seperated I believe, and I have no doubt the giant turds of the industry like EA and Ubisoft would exploit the hell out of this reasoning if it's welcomed.
So because you find it "interesting" and presumably seem to like it and want it Sega owe it to you? I guess am doing my consumering wrong, I found the 32GB onboard storage version of my phone "Interesting" but for cost reasons I went with the 16GB version instead.
I guess I should have thrown a hissy fit and refused to buy it and call Samsung a bunch of names, I mean they designed the phone at the same time, they where made in the same factory at the same time and the PCB and OS is designed to support the larger chip and they chopped it out and put a smaller one in! Then there is my car... The sat nav would fit in the slot where I just the ICE and climate control screen! The wiring loom back there is all the same, they designed the car to support it and they just didn't fit in the factory in the model I have. Ford are robbing exploitative gits!
Or wait, no I can carry on doing the sensible thing and understand that optional extras are a thing and you having the choice about how much product you buy is actually a good thing and the consumer needs to evaluate the value of each product on a individual case by case basis instead.
You seem to have ignored that I hate DLC planned for a game is released, and that it could be total bullshit coming from them, and that it could be easily exploitable. Then you give me this pointless comparison with phone tech and confuse optional extra's with what I'm saying.
Content like this fits the very definition of an optional extra, its not part of the main Alien: Isolation plot and however good or bad the game turns out to be its complete without the Crew Expendable pack. Whether its "planned" or not doesn't matter, its extra content that people can choose to buy or not. In this case they are also offering it as a pre order bonus as well, probably to try and sweeten the deal after slow pre orders because of how A:CM turned out.
Theres no room for bullshit in anything they have said either, Alien: Isolation is set over a decade after the events during Alien and its about Ripleys daughter trying to find out truth about what happened to her mother. The Crew Expendable content is about the fight for survival on the Nostromo when they where trying to flush the Xenomorph out the ships ventilation system and out the airlock, I would imagine just about everyone that plays Isolation will have seen the original 1979 film and know how it played out so its something just about everyone interested in an Alien game will be familiar with anyway.
Its obvious that you think that playing that would be cool but why cant you just be honest and admit that you're disappointed that you will either have to risk a pre order (which all things considered I can understand anyone not wanting to take that risk, pre orders are dicey at any level let alone an Aliens game published by Sega and developed by Creative Assembly) or pay for the extra content instead? Do you game on the PC? If so just wait for the price drop and/or sale, Sega are always having sales and offers on Steam so it will only be a few weeks before the game and all its DLC will be somewhere between £10 and £20.
Could it be exploitable? Yes totally, we have seen it all time and we will have to wait and see it plays out this time. If the game is another crock of shit or its three hours long then its obvious that the extra content isn't worth buying, the main game itself might even be good yet the Crew Expendable pack might be over priced, to short for its cost or it simply might be bad in its own right. So while it can be exploited the existence of additional content isn't exploitive by itself.
To all the people who rejoice at this prospect of pre order DLC:
You are the reason we dont have nice things anymore in the game industry.
No seriously.. here we have a Developer that is KNOWN for blatantly lying in the face of their customers (Rome 2, Colonial marines) offering Pre order DLC and you guys get all giddy?
IT should make you suspicious if the game can even run correctly without crapping itselfe and crashing every 5 minutes... come on people this is Creative assembly! One of the worst Devs of the last couple of years to ever have attempted to create games.
They botch their products and then more or less abadone them leaving it to the hardcore fans to fix their unfinished buggy games.
You cant even take their trailers and gameplay footage serious anymore because you have to very well expect that its all forged pre rendered BS that is in no way comparable to the real game.
Somtimes i wonder if some people will ever learn... even kids know not to touch fire after they get burned the first time.. gamers on the other hand...
To all the people who rejoice at this prospect of pre order DLC:
You are the reason we dont have nice things anymore in the game industry.
No seriously.. here we have a Developer that is KNOWN for blatantly lying in the face of their customers (Rome 2, Colonial marines) offering Pre order DLC and you guys get all giddy?
IT should make you suspicious if the game can even run correctly without crapping itselfe and crashing every 5 minutes... come on people this is Creative assembly! One of the worst Devs of the last couple of years to ever have attempted to create games.
They botch their products and then more or less abadone them leaving it to the hardcore fans to fix their unfinished buggy games.
You cant even take their trailers and gameplay footage serious anymore because you have to very well expect that its all forged pre rendered BS that is in no way comparable to the real game.
Somtimes i wonder if some people will ever learn... even kids know not to touch fire after they get burned the first time.. gamers on the other hand...
Wasn't Colonial Marines Gearbox? With regards to Rome 2, on release it had a plethora of issues, but far from giving up on it Creative Assembly worked on it until the present version, which is as polished as it should have been on release, so i'm not sure you can say they abandoned it.
With regards to pre release footage, I'm pretty sure all of the promotional content for Rome 2 was taken from in game footage which is pretty much par for course for the Total War series.
Again, I agree with J Tyran. If the game looks good and interesting and something you would like to play, then you can either pre order it and get bonus stand-alone content, or you can wait until release and still get the full game for the same price, with the option to later buy additional gameplay if you're enjoying yourself enough.
I don't agree with the sentiment that you shouldn't buy this because it will lead to developers taking more and more liberties with this kind of marketing, and if it ever came to the situation where main content was being cut and sold seperately then I would indeed stop buying.
Right now it seems you lose nothing really significant to the game by not preordering, so if you're the kind of person that wouldn't take the risk then you can wait and buy on release. Boycotting the game on the basis of this announcement seems as on the same level of irrationality as that you are accusing others of by buying something blind as a preorder.
Wasn't Colonial Marines Gearbox? With regards to Rome 2, on release it had a plethora of issues, but far from giving up on it Creative Assembly worked on it until the present version, which is as polished as it should have been on release, so i'm not sure you can say they abandoned it.
With regards to pre release footage, I'm pretty sure all of the promotional content for Rome 2 was taken from in game footage which is pretty much par for course for the Total War series.
Huh.. you know what.. youre right... they are not listed as a developer for colonial marines, it was time gate, gearbox (in name only aparantly) and Nerve Software.. whoever they may be.
However: Rome 2 wasnt their first blunder... almost all the total war games where shoddy clobbed together bugfests... napoleon total war comes to mind.
Rome 2 was just the last in a long list of broken games they delivered. With partly hilarious bugs that where so obvious that you really have to wonder if they ever played the game themselves and found it acceptable to sell stuff like that to their customers (wich they aparantly did... i mean finding it acceptable to sell trash)
The pre release footage must have been heavily scripted cause anyone who had played the game for 5 minutes could tell you that the game did not play anything like they showed in their videos, graphical glitches, AI completely broken and path finding problems... nothing of that ofcourse in the pre release footage.
My standpoint still stands thought:
Creative assembly is known for delivering broken buggy game after game and people who fall for this obvious used car salesman strategy should feel ashamed of themselves.
Wasn't Colonial Marines Gearbox? With regards to Rome 2, on release it had a plethora of issues, but far from giving up on it Creative Assembly worked on it until the present version, which is as polished as it should have been on release, so i'm not sure you can say they abandoned it.
With regards to pre release footage, I'm pretty sure all of the promotional content for Rome 2 was taken from in game footage which is pretty much par for course for the Total War series.
Huh.. you know what.. youre right... they are not listed as a developer for colonial marines, it was time gate, gearbox (in name only aparantly) and Nerve Software.. whoever they may be.
However: Rome 2 wasnt their first blunder... almost all the total war games where shoddy clobbed together bugfests... napoleon total war comes to mind.
Rome 2 was just the last in a long list of broken games they delivered. With partly hilarious bugs that where so obvious that you really have to wonder if they ever played the game themselves and found it acceptable to sell stuff like that to their customers (wich they aparantly did... i mean finding it acceptable to sell trash)
The pre release footage must have been heavily scripted cause anyone who had played the game for 5 minutes could tell you that the game did not play anything like they showed in their videos, graphical glitches, AI completely broken and path finding problems... nothing of that ofcourse in the pre release footage.
My standpoint still stands thought:
Creative assembly is known for delivering broken buggy game after game and people who fall for this obvious used car salesman strategy should feel ashamed of themselves.
True, but defending Rome 2 wasn't really my main point. I was just saying that if you don't have the confidence in the game, then you don't really lose anything by not preordering, and that the mere existence of a preorder incentive isn't a good reason to immediately swear off ever playing the game. As preorder incentives go, this is an example of sales tactics that I'm ok with; Standalone content that doesn't affect the main experience and that will most likely be available to buy later if you're really enjoying the game.
Content like this fits the very definition of an optional extra, its not part of the main Alien: Isolation plot and however good or bad the game turns out to be its complete without the Crew Expendable pack. Whether its "planned" or not doesn't matter, its extra content that people can choose to buy or not. In this case they are also offering it as a pre order bonus as well, probably to try and sweeten the deal after slow pre orders because of how A:CM turned out.
Theres no room for bullshit in anything they have said either, Alien: Isolation is set over a decade after the events during Alien and its about Ripleys daughter trying to find out truth about what happened to her mother. The Crew Expendable content is about the fight for survival on the Nostromo when they where trying to flush the Xenomorph out the ships ventilation system and out the airlock, I would imagine just about everyone that plays Isolation will have seen the original 1979 film and know how it played out so its something just about everyone interested in an Alien game will be familiar with anyway.
Its obvious that you think that playing that would be cool but why cant you just be honest and admit that you're disappointed that you will either have to risk a pre order (which all things considered I can understand anyone not wanting to take that risk, pre orders are dicey at any level let alone an Aliens game published by Sega and developed by Creative Assembly) or pay for the extra content instead? Do you game on the PC? If so just wait for the price drop and/or sale, Sega are always having sales and offers on Steam so it will only be a few weeks before the game and all its DLC will be somewhere between £10 and £20.
Could it be exploitable? Yes totally, we have seen it all time and we will have to wait and see it plays out this time. If the game is another crock of shit or its three hours long then its obvious that the extra content isn't worth buying, the main game itself might even be good yet the Crew Expendable pack might be over priced, to short for its cost or it simply might be bad in its own right. So while it can be exploited the existence of additional content isn't exploitive by itself.
You keep saying extra content like it's a point, but many many games, even in the past, had extra content. Why you may ask? To give the player more shit to do probably, because maybe the developer wanted to improve the experience. Adding it as a pre-order bonus just shows it could have been in originally, so planned does matter because it's really sleazy what they're doing here. You can't tell me it isn't.
The whole thing stinks of bullshit. I will never except that DLC can be planned like this because who the hell knows whats actually going on. You can't tell me, and I don't think any info would be truly accurate any way. And I'm glad you can acknowledge that pre-orders can be 'risky'. As I said before in this thread, I've had some terrible experiences with them. And this practice Sega/Creative Assembly are showing gives me no incentive to every trust these developers/pubs with purchasing their games at all.
Talking about lack of incentive, It's obvious that I think playing it would be cool? How the hell would you know? I actually don't care for this game at all. Especially after the last pile they released. I won't assume your thoughts back, OK.
And you make my point for me in your last paragraph. The way I see it, it's either allowed or it isn't. Except I'm not saying it could be exploitable as my main point, I'm saying it's another fucking tactic to nickel and dime us. Because we can't trust them with anything. The industry is a pig stye right now, so I have little faith you could say.
Listen mate. If you believe them that the DLC they've already made really came later and don't care that this could get worse, fine. I never said you couldn't. But this shit has happened before and these big publishers have given us all the more reason to believe they will 'innovate' new greedy and annoying tactics. And they will sprinkle it with magical bullshit or blame the consumers. So I'm just asking to please not lump everyone who disagrees with this practice as entitled. Last thing we need is more labels.
Content like this fits the very definition of an optional extra, its not part of the main Alien: Isolation plot and however good or bad the game turns out to be its complete without the Crew Expendable pack. Whether its "planned" or not doesn't matter, its extra content that people can choose to buy or not. In this case they are also offering it as a pre order bonus as well, probably to try and sweeten the deal after slow pre orders because of how A:CM turned out.
Theres no room for bullshit in anything they have said either, Alien: Isolation is set over a decade after the events during Alien and its about Ripleys daughter trying to find out truth about what happened to her mother. The Crew Expendable content is about the fight for survival on the Nostromo when they where trying to flush the Xenomorph out the ships ventilation system and out the airlock, I would imagine just about everyone that plays Isolation will have seen the original 1979 film and know how it played out so its something just about everyone interested in an Alien game will be familiar with anyway.
Its obvious that you think that playing that would be cool but why cant you just be honest and admit that you're disappointed that you will either have to risk a pre order (which all things considered I can understand anyone not wanting to take that risk, pre orders are dicey at any level let alone an Aliens game published by Sega and developed by Creative Assembly) or pay for the extra content instead? Do you game on the PC? If so just wait for the price drop and/or sale, Sega are always having sales and offers on Steam so it will only be a few weeks before the game and all its DLC will be somewhere between £10 and £20.
Could it be exploitable? Yes totally, we have seen it all time and we will have to wait and see it plays out this time. If the game is another crock of shit or its three hours long then its obvious that the extra content isn't worth buying, the main game itself might even be good yet the Crew Expendable pack might be over priced, to short for its cost or it simply might be bad in its own right. So while it can be exploited the existence of additional content isn't exploitive by itself.
You keep saying extra content like it's a point, but many many games, even in the past, had extra content. Why you may ask? To give the player more shit to do probably, because maybe the developer wanted to improve the experience. Adding it as a pre-order bonus just shows it could have been in originally, so planned does matter because it's really sleazy what they're doing here. You can't tell me it isn't.
The whole thing stinks of bullshit. I will never except that DLC can be planned like this because who the hell knows whats actually going on. You can't tell me, and I don't think any info would be truly accurate any way. And I'm glad you can acknowledge that pre-orders can be 'risky'. As I said before in this thread, I've had some terrible experiences with them. And this practice Sega/Creative Assembly are showing gives me no incentive to every trust these developers/pubs with purchasing their games at all.
Talking about lack of incentive, It's obvious that I think playing it would be cool? How the hell would you know? I actually don't care for this game at all. Especially after the last pile they released. I won't assume your thoughts back, OK.
And you make my point for me in your last paragraph. The way I see it, it's either allowed or it isn't. Except I'm not saying it could be exploitable as my main point, I'm saying it's another fucking tactic to nickel and dime us. Because we can't trust them with anything. The industry is a pig stye right now, so I have little faith you could say.
Listen mate. If you believe them that the DLC they've already made really came later and don't care that this could get worse, fine. I never said you couldn't. But this shit has happened before and these big publishers have given us all the more reason to believe they will 'innovate' new greedy and annoying tactics. And they will sprinkle it with magical bullshit or blame the consumers. So I'm just asking to please not lump everyone who disagrees with this practice as entitled. Last thing we need is more labels.
So let me get this straight are you still insisting that the aditional mini campaign with a completly seperare story is chopped out? If so how?
Maybe it was one of set pieces where Ellen Ripley finds a Weyland-Yutani Holodeck simulation on Sevastopol station of what happened on the Nostromo they made for research purposes, Ellen would have entered the simulation to try and find out the truth. Maybe it was part of a time travel plot instead? Sega thought they would cut that bit out and make it a piece of DLC to screw the consumer instead? Can you explain why you think that this is part of the main game and the game isn't complete without it even though its a completely new section of game set in a place where the protagonist of Alien: Isolation could never have gone to as an adult as the ship was destroyed when she was a child and with people that had been dead for over a decade.
So will you concede that it is in fact a completely separate peice of content and the plot in Alien: Isolation is indeed complete without it or do you have plausible explanation about how they cut it out and what they cut it from.
If its not that maybe the extra content being developed in parallel with Alien: Isolation is upsetting you, but why? Whether the developed it now, in six months in or six years it would still have took time money and resources to create. They even bought in a whole bunch of extra voice actors for to make it by assembling the cast from the 1979 movie, basically Sega invested money into an extra piece of content in the hopes of making extra profit and there is nothing wrong with that and I really do think that people that think they should get it "just because" are acting in a way thats the very definition of self entitlement.
I happen to dislike day one and on disk DLC when its content cut from the game as much as you do, like the Javik DLC from Mass Effect or when Crapcom lock a whole bunch of characters from their fighting games and sell the unlocks for ridiculous amounts of money. There is nothing wrong with the idea of additional and completely separate content though, even when developed in parallel with the main game.
As for me not worrying about "things getting worse" I am, just not because of this as because if it does turn out to be some kind of bullshit its something thats already been done over and over and far from the worst thing we have seen a publisher pull.
This is either one of two things. Its either because Sega are concerned about low pre order rates and are trying to encourage people to pre order by offering a larger piece of additional content as a bonus than we usually see, the other option is that Alien: Isolation is an absoloute disaster and both Sega and CA know that it is and they know that the only sales they are going to get are the pre orders they have before the reviews and word of mouth spread so they are trying to make the pre order bonus really appealing to get as many as they can.
Pre orders are always a risk and Segas pedigree with the franchise and CAs declining quality as a developer make it even more so, if people take that risk they chose to do it so I have no concerns or sympathy for that as they rolled the dice on that gamble. If Alien: Isolation does turn out to be an okay (or even a good game) game after all people that waited for the review have the choice to decide if the extra content is worth buying after all.
I wouldn't call people discussing concerns about whether the game will be good or not self entitled, I wouldn't call the people that point out that Sega might offering a really fat a juicy worm as bait because they know the game sucks and are trying to get as many pre orders they self entitled either. The only people that I called self entitled are the ones that are insisting that they shouldn't have to pay or pre order to get a completely separate piece of content from a game thats already complete (good or bad) without it because they have this arbitrary set of self decided criteria that determine they shouldn't have to pay for it.
I find this pre-order incentive very disgusting. Cutting out probably the most interesting part of the game as a pre-order bonus/DLC is stupid and I agree we need to protest this. HOWEVER. We need to be careful HOW we do it. If we just flatout boycott the game, the publisher won't see that we were angry about the pre-order practice employed, but they will think we were angry about the game itself even if the game is good.
If the game doesn't sell well the publisher will not want to make games like this anymore, and think that more tense horror style Alien games won't sell period, instead of catching onto the fact that many are disgusted by the pre-order incentives. I think if you want the game go ahead and buy it, but if you don't like the pre-order incentive then we need to RAISE HELL.
Send all kinds of messages to the developers, annoy the hell out of the publisher about the pre-order cut content, make them KNOW we want games like this but raise so much bile and anger that they KNOW we hate the pre-order practices being employed. Give the game so much bad-press over this issue that they have no choice but acknowledge us and possibly give out some compensation and avoid this practice in the future.
Jim Sterling did a video on this subject actually, and explains my thoughts here much better than I can.
So in other words FUCK YOU SEGA! I WANT this game, but FUCK the pre-order bonuses bullshit you're pulling here! Just announce that these missions are in the game, and you would have had fans chomping at the bit for them! It would have sold MUCH better! It didn't need to be a fucking pre-order bonus if you had ANY confidence in your game's merit as an actual game, and I would have been much more likely to BUY the fucking thing. If the publisher gives out early review copies, and it reviews well then I would like to pre-order, but if there are no reviews prior to release, I can't justify pre-ordering this title.
If it reviews favorably, I may pick it up after launch, or when it goes on sale with the DLC included.
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