All classic disney movies are racist

[shadowstriker86]

i lawl at these topics, yes they are movies but its funny to see them go through the PC cacti of death, cause no matter what people will look for it. That's why when i do my cartoon series, no PC pussy will stop me!

 

[teutonicman]

Mabey Disney was racist against black people but there was that whole alladin series. However I do know that Walt had a huge hard on for Jew-hatin.

 

[Soxafloppin]

Everybodys a racist, in the media's eyes.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

I've noticed more how they discriminate ugly people. They've always made the good ones be beautiful and perfect and shit, and made the evil characters butt ugly. What kind of children's lesson is that? Don't be with ugly people? That is, until they came with Shrek, which I liked, cause it had the sense of funny parody and opposition to the Disney mainstream.

 

[Torque669]

Well I noticed as a kid there were never any black people in disney cartoons.

There were black characters. Think of the birds from Dumbo or Uncle Remus the story-telling slave or the apes from Jungle Book or the shoe-shining centaur thing from Fantasia...

Yup. Ol' Walt was racist alright.

Yeah he probably was. Basing the Apes on Black People.

Ahwell ... I only ment that as a joke theres no way you could see the racism in them unless you were a crazy guy like that guy who thinks Left 4 Dead 2 is racist.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

And he was saying that Walt Disney (the person) was an anti-semite (which he was,

I'd like to see evidence of this, because the only strong evidence I've found was in the book "The Dark Prince", which has been strongly refuted by some of the original authors.

alongside other people such as Henry Ford), the company now isn't anti-semantic, obviously.

Obviously, but semantics would reveal it's anti-semitic

Personally, I'd take the words of a Jewish chronicler saying that Disney wasn't anti-semitic over some hack anyday. [http://website.thejc.com/home.aspx?AId=57687&ATypeId=1&search=true2&srchstr=+%2Bwalt+%2Bdisney+&srchtxt=0&srchhead=1&srchauthor=0&srchsandp=0&scsrch=0]

Everybodys a racist, in the media's eyes.

Very true. Unless they're sexist or something else-ist.

 

[Undeed]

Point of reference, however. If you see a group of crows speaking asthough they're poorly educated and using a lot of jive and you call racism, are they racist for showing it, or are you racist for labeling it as refering to a certain group of people?

Maybe crows are just poorly educated....

This is not a fair because there are certain stereotypes that are well known and prevalent. The crow plays off of many common stereotypes of the time that are still recognizable even today. And if they were trying to portray or parody a specific group of people through animals then the best way to do it is by playing up common stereotypes.

 

[Lucane]

Around half of the older Disney movies mentioned at the top were or had a castle in them at one or multiple times and the not being a history major I'm pretty sure most castles had white owners/rulers so it would only be natural to have white people to be in the movies

Example: in Mulan (A Disney film.) was based in China so of course the majority of the populous was Chinesse it'd be odd if was anything else.

Like mentioned before there have been other races used in Disney films but it wasn't really fashionable to use races to be multi-cultural(sp?) if it was say set in a fantasy setting.

Edit: If Disney was racist in some parts it didn't nessicarially flow into every aspect of every project done at the time if 7 people work on several projects together and at one point 2 of them who are personally racist make 2 projects that are racist doesn't mean the whole team is presay.(sp?)

 

[KaiRai]

I saw the Poll on disney and thought my comment should be a thread. Well I noticed as a kid there were never any black people in disney cartoons. I just thought it was funny ,and if this offends I don't see why.

Wrong. The birds in the Jungle Book!!

Okay you can't tell if they were black, but you could make a pretty accurate assumption.

 

[Croaker42]

I agree that racist sentiment is evident in some early disny films, by todays standards. Then it was acceptable and even now you have to search to make a connection. In that sense I have a few observations for you.

What bothers me more about some disny films is the lessons they taught. I have no numbers to back this up but, I blame the massive jump in divorce rates on Cinderella.
This is why. Cinder gets magicly snazzyed up and goes to the princes ball. All fine and well but when they meet FOR THE FIRST TIME they dance to a song that plays "so this is love". No its not, its infatuation. They know little to nothing about eachother and this "love at first sight" bs is what many young people view as acceptable giving them the motivation to jump into commiting relationships without a second thought or a need to know more about the other person.

That and Sleaping Beauty taught women its normal to see a girl living with 7 men........ (major boost to the porn industry)

 

[black lincon]

And yet they had a Persian and a native American princess.

 

[AvsJoe]

Well I noticed as a kid there were never any black people in disney cartoons.

There were black characters. Think of the birds from Dumbo or Uncle Remus the story-telling slave or the apes from Jungle Book or the shoe-shining centaur thing from Fantasia...

Yup. Ol' Walt was racist alright.

The apes from the jungle book?

You know, the ones who spoke jive and just "Wanna be like you". If you don't remember, go watch the movie again.

 

[Fritzvalt]

Point of reference, however. If you see a group of crows speaking asthough they're poorly educated and using a lot of jive and you call racism, are they racist for showing it, or are you racist for labeling it as refering to a certain group of people?

Maybe crows are just poorly educated....

This is not a fair because there are certain stereotypes that are well known and prevalent. The crow plays off of many common stereotypes of the time that are still recognizable even today. And if they were trying to portray or parody a specific group of people through animals then the best way to do it is by playing up common stereotypes.

Thank you for the thoughtful and intelligent responce. That is true, however, my point is this: though this particular stereotype exists as a defamation against black people, it is not limited to this. By assuming that these characters are representations of a certain race, without considering that they are any other race in the same situation, is equally racist. Here is a fresher example, an accountant gives a man finacial advice. Is this racist? Not at all, however, a stereotype for accountants is that they are all jewish. Infact, to infer that the accountant was jewish on his position alone is considered racist. The same can be said about our crows. Yes, they do fit a stereotype for black Americans of the time, but not everyone who fits the stereotype is a black American.

I think it got a little muddled, but I hope I got my point across.

 

[Kiereek]

just want to throw in, that all disney movies are statements on British imperialism.

 

[Adaephon]

In the Jungle Book,the British soldier elephants are all fat,incompetent,blustering,one of them is doing opium and they are being led by Colonel Blimp(who also happens to get bossed around by his cow of a wife). And Baloo,who as far as I can tell is American,is fat and lazy and sings about how great it is to be fat and lazy.

And while I'm on the Jungle Book,the thought of King Louie being racist, well(to my knowledge) Louis Prima (the Italian-American Jazz musician who did the voice and songs for the character) actually did speak like that,but regardless I've always thought that the monkeys were just a depiction of Jazz musicians in general,combined with some slapstick
(and as for the "I wanna be like you" song, well in the original book the monkeys tried to make Mowgli teach them how to act like humans as well,so does that make the book racist as well?)

 

[Cornwind Evilman]

OP fails. There have been racist films, but only due to our "updated" standards.

So what you're saying is that we're somehow supposed to excuse the racism, because it was a long time ago and a lot of people thought it was right? Seriously?

I'm saying that a lot of the stuff we view as racist now was quite liberal then. Otherwise in 20 years we're going to be pointing the finger back again and saying "Oooh we were so racist then".

I'd be targetting the lowest forms of racism still around long before I tackle the perceived racism from long ago. I'd rather get people of today to ban crap like Meet The Spartans rather than airbrushing Mammy Two Shoes [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_Two_Shoes] out of Tom and Jerry.

I doubt that will ever happen, especially with the sensitivity to racial issues we have developed in these years. You gotta keep in mind that most of the flms being discussed in this thread are between sixty and forty years old, not twenty.

Precisely. Values change. Go check TV Tropes' entry Values Dissonance for more. You can't condemn them for not knowing or believing what they did, because they didn't KNOW BETTER.

Ultimately, this is just a greater symptom of projecting current politics and mindsets into the past. Don't. It doesn't work.

 

[Undeed]

Point of reference, however. If you see a group of crows speaking asthough they're poorly educated and using a lot of jive and you call racism, are they racist for showing it, or are you racist for labeling it as refering to a certain group of people?

Maybe crows are just poorly educated....

This is not a fair because there are certain stereotypes that are well known and prevalent. The crow plays off of many common stereotypes of the time that are still recognizable even today. And if they were trying to portray or parody a specific group of people through animals then the best way to do it is by playing up common stereotypes.

Thank you for the thoughtful and intelligent responce. That is true, however, my point is this: though this particular stereotype exists as a defamation against black people, it is not limited to this. By assuming that these characters are representations of a certain race, without considering that they are any other race in the same situation, is equally racist. Here is a fresher example, an accountant gives a man finacial advice. Is this racist? Not at all, however, a stereotype for accountants is that they are all jewish. Infact, to infer that the accountant was jewish on his position alone is considered racist. The same can be said about our crows. Yes, they do fit a stereotype for black Americans of the time, but not everyone who fits the stereotype is a black American.

I think it got a little muddled, but I hope I got my point across.

You're almost right except for the part where you're not. Being an accountant isn't so much the stereotype so much as the frugality and (depending who you ask, of course) greed that is more often assoicated with it. Add to that a stereotypical manner of speech and appearance and it becomes more and more obvious what you are trying to show. If you see a man in pinstripes with greased back hair that's all well and good. If he speaks with an italian accent he's in the mob.

What I'm trying to say is this: There is nothing racist about recognizing stereotypes. The literal explanation for stereotypes in any psychology class ever is that if your brain had to independently process any information it recieved you wouldn't do much else, so it uses typing to speed up the process. Your last point is true, not everyone who fits the type is black. Enough of the people who do are that it's what most of us see see whan we watch that scene.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I saw the Poll on disney and thought my comment should be a thread. Well I noticed as a kid there were never any black people in disney cartoons. I just thought it was funny ,and if this offends I don't see why.

There were no black people?

You never saw Song of the South did you.

It's a disney movie about how smoking hawt awesome it was to be a slave.

A recently freed slave. The film takes place during the Reconstruction.