All Female A-Force Replaces The Avengers

[Dragonlayer]

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I'm both furious *and* disgusted that this team isn't called the Femvengers.

Not the XX-Men then? Or should I say, the XX-Not-Men.

I could go on, however I will spare you all that great indignity.

Your self-restraint is admirable but I'm prepared to continue the nonsense and propose they be renamed the Matriarchal League of America. Or G. Willow Wilson's Howling Banshees. Or the Fantastic Females More Than Four. Or....*continues looking down the wikipedia page of Marvel universe superhero teams to feminize*

 

[shrekfan246]

Nobody bats an eye at all male teams, why are people upset about this?

Yes, it does seem that the number of MRAs has grown around here in the past half-year or so, doesn't it?

OT: Cool.

Considering the expanding number of DC titles I'll likely be checking out following their big event this year, I'll need to look more into what Marvel's doing and what comics they're going to be running, but this might be one of the ones I check out. Total honesty, this reboot is one of the first thing's that's actually made me interested in the Marvel universe because their continuity has just become too bloated with crossovers for me to even know where to start reading for anything actually good and not dependent on fifteen other comic books.

Oh, also, you people seriously think they're just going to handwave the absence of every character that's actually made Marvel famous? Even this article says that there's a very high chance this will only be a temporary thing; if you really think the Marvel universe isn't going to become a sausage-fest again then you don't know the comic book industry very well. So don't worry, you'll have your beefy manly men in tight suits beating each other up again in no time.

 

[Silence]

Smells like the same kind of pandering bullshit they tried with Avengers NOW! and the whole lady Thor garbage. Marvel just seems to be tripping over themselves to show just how gosh darn diverse they are. I almost expect at this point a multi issue story arc where "A Force" battles tirelessly for equal pay and government subsidized birth control.

How the fuck is "all female" diverse?


That said. If they want to do it, they should go for it. Not that I care that much. I would like 50/50 Avengers more, however.

 

[CrystalShadow]

I'm looking forward to the day when a character being of a certain gender isn't newsworthy.

Seriously. An all female superhero team shouldn't be a sensation. It should just be one more in the pile.

That it is just shows for just how long the reverse must've been going on, that this can be considered a rarity.

Oh well, seems we have to go through the motions of swinging the pendulum completely the other way before this ever really gets balanced out and stops being a thing anyone even cares about...

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

I know some people like to complain about pandering and political correctness the moment they see something like this, but at this point everyone has to admit that its getting a little crazy.

"We're making this character a woman; now that one is a woman too. Sex change, sex change; now this whole team is women! Girls, Girls, Girls! The gender composition of comic book heroes vs comic book readers has never been this disproportionate, our sales are sure to skyrocket."

 

[Ahri_Blaze]

Smells like the same kind of pandering bullshit they tried with Avengers NOW! and the whole lady Thor garbage. Marvel just seems to be tripping over themselves to show just how gosh darn diverse they are. I almost expect at this point a multi issue story arc where "A Force" battles tirelessly for equal pay and government subsidized birth control.

How the fuck is "all female" diverse?


That said. If they want to do it, they should go for it. Not that I care that much. I would like 50/50 Avengers more, however.

Oh, this title in and of it's self isn't diverse at all. Quite the opposite in fact. However, Marvel Comics as a whole have been forcing in "diversity" for the sake of showing just how super progressive they are for a while now. You have lady Thor which from what I've read would better be used to wipe my ass with than read. You had that whole Avengers NOW! mess which may as well have been called "The Social Justice Warriors!" what with lady Thor and black Captain America and all the other totally shoehorned token characters that were on that team and the list goes on.

Titles like this one in the OP and lady Thor and Avengers NOW are all just thinly veiled pandering to a certain subset of readers who can't lap this bullshit up fast enough with a big smile on their face and ask for more.

Coming soon, Self Identifying Spider-Person. He has no actual powers but rather is just some dude from Tumblr that self identifies as a gender queer spider. His adventures will focus on teaching Spidey's sizable rogue's gallery about tolerance and respect for oppressed minorities.

Oh my! Oh dear me! How dare comic books pander to a certain demographic!

This isn't bullshit. You are just a cynical person who really doesn't see the big picture at all. Also that "pandering" can turn into a really good book. A la the new Ms. Marvel. You know Khamala Khan, the female teenage muslim superhero. Or hey. How about Miles Morales the Black Lation Spider-man. Pathetic "pandering" doesn't mean it instantly sucks and making an all female style Avengers team is diversifying because its not like comic books have been overwhelmingly dominated by male characters and leads for 75 years. Not like that at all.

 

[Alar]

Who is the heroine in the bottom right? Dark hair, dark dress, fishnets and purple magic? I don't recognize her.

 

[MrFalconfly]

I'm looking forward to the day when a character being of a certain gender isn't newsworthy.

Seriously. An all female superhero team shouldn't be a sensation. It should just be one more in the pile.

That it is just shows for just how long the reverse must've been going on, that this can be considered a rarity.

Oh well, seems we have to go through the motions of swinging the pendulum completely the other way before this ever really gets balanced out and stops being a thing anyone even cares about...

Yeah sorry.

I just have the opinion, that gender should never ever be a reason for something to be awesome. If someone sites their own gender as a reason to hire/vote/support them, then I wont as a matter of principle.

If they site capabilities or work-experience (or even just promise of something awesome), then sure. But I'm not gonna support someone just because they happen to have a particular part of sexual characteristics.

In short. I think for something to be accepted as normal, you shouldn't try and use it as a reason to pick you out of the bunch.

EDIT:

I'll give you an anecdote as an example.

Once I was in a group whose purpose was to elect representatives who should take care of some party.

A woman who applied for one of the posts sited her "being a woman" as a reason for us to vote for her. I didn't. Not because she was a woman, but because I thought you should use previous experience as a reason to be voted in, not your gender.

 

[Ahri_Blaze]

Oh my! Oh dear me! How dare comic books pander to a certain demographic!

This isn't bullshit. You are just a cynical person who really doesn't see the big picture at all. Also that "pandering" can turn into a really good book. A la the new Ms. Marvel. You know Khamala Khan, the female teenage muslim superhero. Or hey. How about Miles Morales the Black Lation Spider-man. Pathetic "pandering" doesn't mean it instantly sucks and making an all female style Avengers team is diversifying because its not like comic books have been overwhelmingly dominated by male characters and leads for 75 years. Not like that at all.

Marvel is free to pander to whoever they like. It seems to be working out well for them. They've proven that you can write absolute tripe so long as the lead is some kind of token minority and the online media and a large portion of comic readers will happily eat whatever big shit sandwich of a comic you put out with a big smile on their face and ask for more because "DIVERSITY!". This all female Avengers book could be 30+ pages of stick drawings and zero dialogue and these people would still buy it and slobber on about how awesome and progressive it is because "DIVERSITY!".

And you frankly just don't get it at all. You are aware that the two I used have actually received critical acclaim right? You being mad that they aren't catering exclusively to you and trying new ways of diversifying is both laughably hysterical and utterly horrifying at the same time.

 

[Jux]

I love all the boo-hooing here. What about the menzzzzz??? Whaaaaa!!! I'll be waiting for some body type and (more) racial/ethnic diversity before a standing ovation, but this is a cool move imo, even if it is (I assume) a temporary series. I'll be buying this for sure.

 

[the December King]

I love all the boo-hooing here. What about the menzzzzz??? Whaaaaa!!! I'll be waiting for some body type and (more) racial/ethnic diversity before a standing ovation, but this is a cool move imo, even if it is (I assume) a temporary series. I'll be buying this for sure.

...It's funny, because I basically did ask "...what about the menz?"!

But I really did want to know what happened to them, that in the multiple worlds that came together, none of them were on hand to help out and ONLY women were left to soldier on. It's just a question: I'm not looking to get angry or upset, just curious to know more.

 

[Diddy_Mao]

Could be okay if done well.

Marvel's biggest problem with their female heroes has frequently been that with few exceptions, they tend to be members of larger team books where their presence in the team appears conditional to their relationship with a male member.

- Jean Gray and Rogue are broadly remembered more for their love triangles with Wolverine and Cyclops or Iceman and Gambit respectively.

- Scarlet Witch tends to come in a team package with Quicksilver and a guilt by association with Magneto.

- Invisible Woman usually just fills the role of Mr. Fantastic's wife and Human Torch's Sister rarely being provided sufficient agency of her own.

- Black Widow usually sees her major plot points revolve around her on/off loyalty to Hydra, usually only after she's become romantically entangled with Iron Man or Hawkeye (depending on the retelling)

And so on and so forth.

Is it a obvious attempt to appeal to an increasingly vocal demographic that's been asking for more representation?
Yes it is, but that's not inherently a bad thing. A-force is still a team book, which means they don't have to risk as much in printing runs of solo series for untested characters. A-force can potentially act as a good staging ground for future solo or splinter team books especially as the whole Marvel template moved forward after the Secret Wars story line.

 

[Rahkshi500]

Nobody bats an eye at all male teams, why are people upset about this? Imagine if people were as cynical about those teams; "God stupid marvel trying to pander to all those meninist idiots with an obviously contrived all male team, hell I bet they'll spend the entire time fighting for better treatment in divorce courts and custody cases!"

Seriously, that's how silly you people sound to me. It's not like comic creators try to shake things up every once in awhile because they're tired of catering to the shareholder mandated status quo, nope, never happens.

Actually, people have complained and have been upset about all male teams for having no women or having just a token female member multiple times before, especially from those who want the industry to diversify and cater to them(which I'm not arguing against. I'm arguing against your statement.). It's also silly how such counter-comments are always "Oh, it's dem menz whining again. Oh, boo-hoo! Not like we've ever done that before! Nope! Not at all!" when such things do happen under their noses.

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@ OP: Looks pretty cool. Never been a Marvel customer, but hey, more power to them if they do this. So it certainly looks like She-Hulk will be the leader of this new team.

 

[PunkRex]

I'm glad that She-Hulk's getting some of the spot light as I'd love to see her in the MCU but I'm not sure if this is the best direction to take. It's not like an all girl super hero team is that original an idea, granted I havn't heard of one on this scale, and unless they come up with a legit reason for the lack of male supers it's gonna seem reeeeeeal pandery.

Could work but I don't really see it as either good or bad. Female Thor seemed like a decent idea as she was given the title, Thor was still around, this just sounds like 'no boys allowed' which is the exact opposite of what they seem to be aiming for.

 

[Nurb]

Most really won't care because comics do this sort of thing all the time.

But all cis-het scum? How problematic!

 

[Skatologist]

A few things, most important is "Where is Squirrel Girl in that poster?" : _(

Others: Checking other nerd havens for this story, none say this is "diverse", they're just reporting on this and saying how big it is, even if it's for a short time. None seem to be reporting and saying it will be good because of the all female cast, but because it seems like fan favorite heroines are getting the limelight and they seem to be grouping very different characters[footnote]In terms of personality, ideology, origins, and power[/footnote] with one another.

But all cis-het scum? How problematic!

Via the nerdist:

Included among the heroes is a new character named Singularity, who is actually a sentient universe who chooses female form, and is seen to the right of She-Hulk in the promotional image.

For some reason I want to count that as a form trans. Also, I want to assume many of those women have probably done some canonically bisexual/lesbian stuff in the past.

Also from the nerdist:

This is a big step up from previous attempts at an all-female comic like Marvel Divas, which tried to force well known Marvel heroines into a a Sex and the City-style framework

Marvel, you tried to do that? With your kickass female heroes?!?!

 

[Colour Scientist]

I understand all of the childish butthurt in this thread.

I mean, when are we going to get some prominent male superheroes?

Stop pandering to the SJWs, where is he-hulk... Oh, wait...