All Female A-Force Replaces The Avengers

[MrFalconfly]

Yeah, I get you. But more often than not this stuff gets held against you, and other stuff.

Besides, what you're saying has rarely been true when it comes to groups that are historically under-represented.
People find reasons why them being a woman (or black, or middle-eastern or whatever) is a good reason NOT to include them.
That's happened for many many decades, if not centuries. Just because it isn't admitted to openly doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Well I guess this is just a case of societal differences.

I live in Denmark. And currently I'm studying engineering at DTU (Technological University of Denmark).

Those two factors combined (Denmark being the third most Gender-equal country in the world, and DTU being very much a meritocracy) makes it weird for me to actually have to consider peoples gender and/or race. It's simply not something I usually do.

As for Denmark being the 3rd most Gender-equal. Currently the prime "feminist" goal seems to be to make it equally easy for men to become kindergarden helpers as it is for women so I guess we're up there (hell men are conscripted while women have the choice to join if they want).

This is why I maintain that yes I'm "privileged", but not because of my sex, or my skin-tone, or my sexual orientation, or hell even my gender-identity. I'm privileged because I live in Denmark. The first country to legalize picture pornography, and gay marriage.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

So a super-hero team whose angle is discrimination against men? Sounds great. Sounds like Marvel's been taken over by SJWs with this, the whole Thor thing and the rest. Power to them, I haven't bought a comic book in many years and if I did, it wouldn't be this one.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

For fuck sake. I don't want to support a Marvel continuity reboot because reboots are the biggest reason I can't stand reading DC comics (why the hell should I get invested in a character if everything I read stops being relevant in a year or two?), but G. Willow Wilson is a damn good writer. I may make an exception for this book.

The thing is that is the very nature of comic books. As can be seen paralleled by AssCreed with it's annual release cycle, if something doesn't have an end, then the status quo has to be maintained forever. Characters will never advance or develop, perma-die, they'll always have the same flaws/weaknesses and so on. Comic books just tell discrete stories with characters we like but none of those stories should ever be considered canon. At the end of it, the status quo will be restored...either because nothing significant changes in it or because they reboot and start again.

If you want an actual story with a beginning, middle and an end, comic books aren't the best place to find them.

 

[Phasmal]

I don't see why you and Colour Scientist seem to take it to such an extreme. Or why it has to be "One or the other", I think most men would be fine with this, if it wasn't completely replacing the regular Avengers. You can have your power fantasies, just ya know, leave ours to us. If you don't like the ones that apply to us, fine! Enjoy yours! Leave ours alone, and enjoy your new one alone. Granted it would require the Avengers having no female members since the all female team has all the women, but ya know, if that is what you want, fine. Segregated teams.

Dude, I don't get how laughing at a joke and then side-eyeing the comments is `extreme`, but we'll just roll with it.

I haven't touched `your` power fantasies. Marvel moved them around, because they thought it would be good.
I'm gonna give it a chance to be.

And besides, this is comics you're talking about.
It's pretty certain the regular Avengers will be back in some shape or form fairly soon. Such is the nature of comic books.
Therefore, it's not really worth getting upset about this.

 

[Arqus_Zed]

A-Force?
Really?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm glad it's not something like 'The She-vengers' or 'The Avengirls', but A-Force sound so... X-Force.

 

[K12]

"Marvel" meets "Y: The Last Man" might be quite fun. Not that I think this is what will actually happen.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

Actually, it probably comes from a more cynical point of view that an all-female cast of relative unknowns competing against their standard male-dominated bread and butter characters wouldn't sell very well. I seriously doubt it comes from any genuine intent to cull the "straight, white males."

So it is not enough for you to succeed, or be given a chance to succeed on your own merits on the open market place. Others must go without, fail or support what you want.

That sounds like a totally fair way of going about it. <- Sarcasm alert!

It's a temporary switch of focus in one of Marvel's products. I'm actually staggered by the "stay away from our stuff, get your own" responses. I mean, I don't understand how people can be so insecure in the fact that not every single Marvel product is trying to exclusively cater to them at this present moment in time and that a temporary change is bringing on the SJW Pander-pocalypse.

It's the difference between manufacturing brand new products and redistributing preexisting products.

There's no big killing off or cannibalisation of characters, their doing a trial run with an all-female cast as a one-off.

Replacing the Avengers with the A-Force is just the latest in an ongoing trend of changes at Marvel.

Wolverine is dead. Deadpool is due to be killed off in April. Thor has been replaced by She-Thor. Captain America has been retired and replaced by the Falcon. Spiderman was killed in both the ultimate and mainstream continuities and given the current trend of burying straight, white male characters Peter Parker is likely to be permanently replaced by Miles Morales when the Ultimate Universe is folded into the mainstream universe.

It is not enough that Marvel sells more comics featuring a more diverse cast of superheroes, they seem to want to sell less comics about straight, white males. So they're rounding them up and sending them to summer camps in the countryside and you refuse to even acknowledge that it is even happening.

I honestly don't get the big fucking deal. It's not "anti-consumer" to try to temporarily appeal to another group of consumers that isn't you.

Anti-choice will always and forever be anti-consumer.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Love how every woman in that cover shares the exact same fashion model proportions.

Fantastic Four, Avengers, Justice League, X-men, Guardians of the Galaxy, all have women in them. So I'm quite curious which significant teams are all male that nobody is bothered about?

With the exception of X-Men, all of those groups have maybe one or two token female members in a group that is predominantly male. Fantastic Four has 3 males, 1 female; Guardians has 4 males, 1 female; Avengers has 5 males, 1 female; etc. Justice League has what, Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl as mainstays, and the rest are SuperMAN, BatMAN, AquaMAN, Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, etc.

 

[nightmare_gorilla]

So this is the part where we're all supposed to freak out and scream "but my boys club!!! where else can i be a misogynist if not in comics?" seriously comics have created ten times the iconic female characters of any other medium yet "sexist comics" is still considered a thing. as for this specifically, cool. there's been bunches of avengers teams, west coast avengers, uncanny avengers, mighty avengers, dark avengers, even secret avengers. having an all female team is not going to hurt anything. so thanks but put the bait away we're not biting.

 

[Soxafloppin]

That green chick is supposed to be she-hulk?
She neither looks strong nor mad which is kind of essential for hulk smash grr shenanigans. Oh well.

Though I'm not all that into Comics, She-Hulk isn't quite as physically strong as He-Hulk, and she learned to control her powers pretty quickly so she doesn't "Rage out" like him, She can transform any time she likes too.

 

[Lightspeaker]

Fantastic Four, Avengers, Justice League, X-men, Guardians of the Galaxy, all have women in them. So I'm quite curious which significant teams are all male that nobody is bothered about?

With the exception of X-Men, all of those groups have maybe one or two token female members in a group that is predominantly male. Fantastic Four has 3 males, 1 female; Guardians has 4 males, 1 female; Avengers has 5 males, 1 female; etc. Justice League has what, Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl as mainstays, and the rest are SuperMAN, BatMAN, AquaMAN, Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, etc.

The post I quoted explicitly said "Nobody bats an eye at all male teams" rather than "majority male teams". Which is why I was curious. Again I don't read comics but a quick google search and the magic of wikipedia seems to indicate a proportion of most of the major ones I can think of from an outsider's perspective are female.

To grab one of these at random...Guardians of the Galaxy by wiki's reckoning has thirteen members in its modern lineup in the mainstream universe. Four of which are female (Gamora, Quasar, Mantis and Moondragon).

 

[Jaggededge11]

Wow, yet another attempt at Femploitation. Good thing no other company has tried doing this...

I'm all for a well written story about female superheroes, but this just seem like some half-hearted attempt from a company to look "progressive". I'm already tired of all these "It's more of the same, just with women replacing the men" ideas.

Hopefully I am wrong and it'll be a worth while read, but for now I'm not even going to get my hopes up.

 

[Drake Barrow]

So...a team using established female characters (with a new one or two), without forcing gender flips or re-imaginings of existing characters? Alright, this is a fairly reasonable idea. Using the tools you already have in the correct way, and backing it with decent writers, should earn Marvel a kudos or two. I'm probably not going to follow it too heavily, as I've been on the absolute fringes of the comic market for a very long time, but I've got nothing against this. I just hope it's as good as it could potentially be.

 

[Vault101]

It's the difference between manufacturing brand new products and redistributing preexisting products.
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oh come on this is COMICS...that whats its all about

OT: I don't read superhero comics much but hey this is cool and the tears...all the effing tears, the tears are wonderfully refreshing, they give me power

 

[Vault101]

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does it ever occur to anyone that if having an all female/majority female team is "pandering"...then having an all male/majority male team is ALSO pandering?

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or did we all just assume that men were the plain food of humanity and woman/others are just spices....and you can't have a dish of nothing but spices?

[sub/]but of coarse we would never have such androcentric views unless ociety constantly reinforced- oh wait[/sub]

 

[PapaGreg096]

I might read it just for Nico Minoru and KArolina Dean but if the book is good I'll follow

 

[Vault101]

This is why I maintain that yes I'm "privileged", but not because of my sex, or my skin-tone, or my sexual orientation, or hell even my gender-identity. I'm privileged because I live in Denmark.

if you can accept your privileged because you live in Denmark why can't you be privileged because of those other things?

you have the privilege of living in a place with (I assume) a better social security system. (like me assuming the current government doesn't fuck that up)

now assuming that you are cis-white-male-straight (which if I'm wrong please correct me, but the point still stands)

being straight you have the privilege of almost every space being a "hetero" space where you can openly hit on who you want without fear of misunderstanding/retribution, where you can mention your partner without stopping to consider if you should (among other things)

being cis gendered you have the privilege of your gender identify recognised/accepted...not mocked/diminished/questioned (among other things)

being male you have the privilege of existing in the world without the same kind of objectification that a woman experiences (among other things)

being white you have the privilege of not experiencing institutionalised racism and judgment (among other things)

privilege doesn't mean you don't ever have difficulties in life, it means there are certain things you are lucky enough not to experience

 

[Vault101]

from strange men you meet on the internet. I mean technically a diet rich in protein might allow you to add muscle mass with the proper exercise and that could technically be referred to as being granted or gaining power, but as far as superhero origin stories go it kinda sucks.

You take care now.

ohhh ho ho ho ho ho good one Urban dictionary....good one

 

[Azure23]

Nobody bats an eye at all male teams, why are people upset about this? Imagine if people were as cynical about those teams; "God stupid marvel trying to pander to all those meninist idiots with an obviously contrived all male team, hell I bet they'll spend the entire time fighting for better treatment in divorce courts and custody cases!"

Seriously, that's how silly you people sound to me. It's not like comic creators try to shake things up every once in awhile because they're tired of catering to the shareholder mandated status quo, nope, never happens.

Also someone up above mentioned Tigra, I am similarly upset at the lack of Tigra in this image.

Quick Question: How is this new all female Avengers going to get me, the guy who doesn't read comics to pick up an issue? I have no idea who most of the super heroines in the picture are, and don't know where most of them are from. I don't know their powers, their back stories, or even why they became a super hero. I'm familiar with Rouge, Jean Grey, and Scarlet Witch from the X-Men cartoons. I don't know the rest are because I've never been exposed to them.

I don't really know or care particularly. I probably won't be picking this up either because in my experience, despite the "earthshaking" events of these crossover type arcs, everything eventually just resets anyway. That's how Marvel and DC have done it for decades, that's how they'll keep doing it. It's a boring narrative that I don't really care to involve myself in. Writers can TRY and shake things up, they can TRY to grow these characters, but in the end they are accountable to people who care about profits and not telling quality stories. Creator owned comics are the only books (in my opinion) telling stories worth reading or taking any risks.