All Kids Out of the Pool

[Revnak_v1legacy]

it actually saddens me that the face of western animation thease days is American dad, family guy and the fucking clevland show /hipster moment

I wouldn't consider that hipster at all to be honest, it speaks volumes for us when MLP attains a massive following just becaues it has a hint of the family oriented humor from cartoons which haven't been made/broadcast in 10 years despit massive support for them.

No... MLP attains a massive following because there are people who think if they like something that is culturally considered inappropriate for them that they are special and unique... same crap has been going on since the birth of civilization

it says nothing other than that people are still doing the same old shit in a different way

STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T!
I haven't even watched the show and I can tell you right now that liking it has nothing to do with wanting to feel special and instead has everything to do with LIKING THE SHOW. And that is what has been going on for ages. A good show was made and people liked it, grow up and realize your indifference or hate towards the show does not mean the people that like it are somehow less than you.

I never said I hated or disliked the show nor does the reasoning in my previous post preclude the fact that people like the show or state in any way that they are somehow less than me... the reaction on your part just goes further to prove my point

I've never watched it, which was literally the first thing I wrote in my post, so I have no clue how my post can go further to prove your point. I mentioned indifference before hate, and even if you loved the show it is still incredibly insulting to assume that others like something for the absurd reasons you said they did. You were saying that the adult males that do like the show are don't actually like it and just want to feel special for liking something they "shouldn't". It may not be the same as assuming they are less than you, but it may as well have considering what you did assume.

 

[viranimus]

Ehh, isnt the point of Toonami fading into cancellation simply representative that people got tired of Anime?

Actually, I would not mind seeing a role reversal. Western animators create more serious animations (Sort of like Nickelodeons Avatar franchise, Transformers: Prime and Star Wars:The Clone Wars) but with more adult centric themes to mirror a lot of what attracted people to anime. And see anime go a more comedic route without falling to random/anti humor that more comedic animes tend to fall in line with. Sort of like Shin Chan, but without it having to be rewritten by Texans for US audiences.


Other thought:
What I would generally like to see is a new more mature transformers animated series that takes all of the various scraps of lore between G1, Beast wars, The Unicron trilogy, the comics, the films, Prime (though prime is closer to this than anything else) and finally merges the mythos/timelines into one semi cohesive lore instead of the clusterfucked abomination it is left to meander around in.

 

[AdmiralCheez]

I think the best way to fix the line-up issues is to drop the name of "Adult Swim" entirely, or at the very least drop the stoner crowd/frat boy target audience. Spend a little money to produce decent original content for once and stop buying syndication rights for FOX's leftovers.

Or, they could take back all of the successful 90s shows from Boomerang and air them again. I'm sort of against this one actually, because then they could get away with leaving the animation world stagnant for a few more years while they profit from our nostalgia.

As for toonami, I think that ship sailed off into the sunset a long time ago. Best they could do now is start a new channel for it.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

We don't miss Toonami (yes we do), we miss the kind of anime it used to play. Shit like Yu Yu Hakusho, the heavily edited Tenchi Muyo, Cowboy Bebop, etc. were all made for little boys wanting to watch something more grown up. In the middle of the day, you could watch someone get fucking shot to death on Cartoon Network... But how many still running animes are like that today? The only one I personally know of with that same kind of spirit is Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, and it just ended last year. But then, even if a new one did come out, how many of you would watch it at like 4 in the afternoon every day after school? For everyone who WATCHED Toonami and isn't just lying to be one of the cool kids, you've got to be like 18-25. Your days of regular TV watching are fucking over. So if one of those animes come out, you're either going to DVR it on another station or you're going to download it. Toonami won't magically bring it all back.

And as far as I'm concerned, if it isn't Robot Chicken, Venture Bros, Metalocalypse, or Aqua Teen Hunger Force, it isn't Adult Swim. The rest is just asshattery (specifically if it's live action).

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

it actually saddens me that the face of western animation thease days is American dad, family guy and the fucking clevland show /hipster moment

I wouldn't consider that hipster at all to be honest, it speaks volumes for us when MLP attains a massive following just becaues it has a hint of the family oriented humor from cartoons which haven't been made/broadcast in 10 years despit massive support for them.

No... MLP attains a massive following because there are people who think if they like something that is culturally considered inappropriate for them that they are special and unique... same crap has been going on since the birth of civilization

it says nothing other than that people are still doing the same old shit in a different way

STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T!
I haven't even watched the show and I can tell you right now that liking it has nothing to do with wanting to feel special and instead has everything to do with LIKING THE SHOW. And that is what has been going on for ages. A good show was made and people liked it, grow up and realize your indifference or hate towards the show does not mean the people that like it are somehow less than you.

I never said I hated or disliked the show nor does the reasoning in my previous post preclude the fact that people like the show or state in any way that they are somehow less than me... the reaction on your part just goes further to prove my point

I've never watched it, which was literally the first thing I wrote in my post, so I have no clue how my post can go further to prove your point. I mentioned indifference before hate, and even if you loved the show it is still incredibly insulting to assume that others like something for the absurd reasons you said they did. You were saying that the adult males that do like the show are don't actually like it and just want to feel special for liking something they "shouldn't". It may not be the same as assuming they are less than you, but it may as well have considering what you did assume.

I never said anyone doesn't actually like it... just pointing out one of the major contributing factors to it's (and pretty much every fad)'s popularity and why a a lot of those people do... it's a well known and documented phenomenon

it's also rather funny that you try and call me out for making assumptions when your entire posts are nothing but assumptions

I'll admit that I assumed you didn't like the show, but other than that I was just going off of what you wrote. You said that people liked it because they thought it made them special to like something that culture says they shouldn't. I am saying they like it because they think it is good, at least to them. I suppose the precise way you made your argument allowed for there to be a majority that liked it for what it was rather than for your stated reason, but that would make any major assumptions based on that minor group pretty meaningless, or at the very least meaningless compared to Ninjamedic's point. Also, I'm pretty certain that fads can be sociologically explained by an absurdly wide variety of causes, least of all one that makes no sense. Ninjamedic's point is at least as good as your's if you took the time to analyze it.

And i never specifically called you out for making assumptions. I called you out for making very faulty assumptions.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

Snips!

This argument is absurd. Stop it.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Snips!

This argument is absurd. Stop it.

You're probably right, but I get really pissed at the people who keep acting like jerks towards bronies. Don't know why, but it really pisses me off. I guess I'll quit if he doesn't bring a whole bunch of links to these studies he mentioned, or isn't a jerk towards me. This is a bit thread derailing, though at least it isn't ME3.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

Snips!

This argument is absurd. Stop it.

You're probably right, but I get really pissed at the people who keep acting like jerks towards bronies. Don't know why, but it really pisses me off. I guess I'll quit if he doesn't bring a whole bunch of links to these studies he mentioned, or isn't a jerk towards me. This is a bit thread derailing, though at least it isn't ME3.

I actually meant to say it to both of you, not you specifically, but I don't post on the escapist enough to know how to quote the both of you at the same time. The fact that I had to look to the very first post in the argument to know which show you guys are fighting over is kind of ridiculous though... Ideally a mod should come around and clean the thread up.

 

[RickyRich]

Squidbillies, Delocated, Tim and Eric: Awesome Show, Children's Hospital and that cop kind of show need to go.

 

[RaikuFA]

Isn't Drawn Together on Comedy Central and not Adult Swim? I liked that show either way.

Time & Eric can fuck right off, same with that new Water-head News Reporter show (and most of their live action shit.)

I'll take Moral Orel and Mary Shellys' Frakenhole back. I loved those two. I liked Oblongs too. Inuyasha I never see cause it's on at like 3AM or some such, and I don't care enough to record it.

Frankenhole has season 2 running right now.

I really wish the Tim and Eric shows and its imitators will go away.

 

[Aris Khandr]

it actually saddens me that the face of western animation thease days is American dad, family guy and the fucking clevland show /hipster moment

No, I am pretty sure the face of western animation is the same as it has always been.

They may not do a whole lot on TV, but their movies reach a far larger audience than any of those shows.

When's the last time they actually made an animation?

Pixar is a totally separate entity that deals with a totally separate style of animation.

There isn't really a western 2D animation market.

Winnie the Pooh, 2011. The Princess and the Frog, 2009. Yes, they're working with 3D animation, too, but they are allowed to do both.

 

[Berithil]

As someone who really didn't watch toonami, I don't have much of an opinion, but knowing that shows like family guy and king of the hill are played on multiple channels, I think they should definitely get rid of those. Heck, I'd be happy if family guy went away alltogether.

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Oh, look, MLP invading a non relevant thread, and by the looks of it, it isn't by fans of the show...

Liquidacid, I can assure you I like the show because I genuinely enjoy it and think its good, not because its some kind of popular fad. I'm one of those people who extremely anti fad. If I like something, its because I enjoy it, not because its popular. You wouldn't say the same thing about fans of avatar: tla, would you? Maybe there are people who like it because its popular (actually, I'm sure there are) but the majority of the fans like it because its genuinely good.

Now, let's get back on topic, shall we?

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

it actually saddens me that the face of western animation thease days is American dad, family guy and the fucking clevland show /hipster moment

No, I am pretty sure the face of western animation is the same as it has always been.

They may not do a whole lot on TV, but their movies reach a far larger audience than any of those shows.

When's the last time they actually made an animation?

Pixar is a totally separate entity that deals with a totally separate style of animation.

There isn't really a western 2D animation market.

Tangled was really, really good.

As someone who really didn't watch toonami, I don't have much of an opinion, but knowing that shows like family guy and king of the hill are played on multiple channels, I think they should definitely get rid of those. Heck, I'd be happy if family guy went away alltogether.

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Oh, look, MLP invading a non relevant thread, and by the looks of it, it isn't by fans of the show...

Liquidacid, I can assure you I like the show because I genuinely enjoy it and think its good, not because its some kind of popular fad. I'm one of those people who extremely anti fad. If I like something, its because I enjoy it, not because its popular. You wouldn't say the same thing about fans of avatar: tla, would you? Maybe there are people who like it because its popular (actually, I'm sure there are) but the majority of the fans like it because its genuinely good.

Now, back on topic

Why did you quote me if you only wanted to talk to him? People are so silly with quoting me today.

OT (because it appears I have yet to post something on topic here)- I think that the Seth MacFarlane power hour(s) should come to an end. I really don't like his shows anymore, though they will never be removed from the line-up since they make up a massive chunk of adult swim's views. Also all the live action stuff should go, not because it's bad, but because it's live action and adult swim should be animation.

 

[Aris Khandr]

No, not straight to DVD (except in Australia), but it did have a fairly short theatrical run. And no, The Princess and the Frog was not a "reaction". It was, however, a test to see if a traditionally animated movie could still sell. It did. And Disney has resolved to release more of them. Disney is still the powerhouse of western animation, and a hell of a lot more well known than anything else.

 

[Qitz]

Frankenhole has season 2 running right now.

I really wish the Tim and Eric shows and its imitators will go away.

Yeah I've been watching S2 but that reporter show has taken the time slot for now, didn't see it come up last Sunday.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I think the best way to fix the line-up issues is to drop the name of "Adult Swim" entirely, or at the very least drop the stoner crowd/frat boy target audience.

See, that's always been the POINT of adult swim though, it's always been too-fucked-up-for-kids television, either through extreme content (TV Funhouse "They cut off my fucking thumb!") or general bizarre nonsense.
That's why I don't mind most of the live-action stuff they produce, because its the right FORMAT if not right for ME. You'll notice that on my list, assy mcgee is nowhere to be found and if that comes on i will watch ANYTHING else. Really if time and eric only had ONE show, I wouldnt have a problem, but they own half the lineup it seems like.

I just miss their british lineup. Boosh!

 

[Berithil]

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I was kinda referring to the argument as a whole in my first sentence. The second part was directed towards liquidacid.


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