Alleged harassment, threats of doxxing, hitpiece journalism, 'fake' gamer girls... Oh my!

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

That's an interesting situation. Apparently this guy was berated for being stereotypically "macho" in an ethnic sense by a female human. And people are calling that racist. Interesting. I didn't know that was possible. I wonder why you wouldn't call it sexist to berate someone for behaving in a masculine way. At least the guy wasn't white or people wouldn't have cared half as much.

 

[WindKnight]

That's an interesting situation. Apparently this guy was berated for being stereotypically "macho" in an ethnic sense by a female human. And people are calling that racist. Interesting. I didn't know that was possible. I wonder why you wouldn't call it sexist to berate someone for behaving in a masculine way. At least the guy wasn't white or people wouldn't have cared half as much.

Because she was expecting him to be 'macho' and 'aggressive' because he was Mexican. There was a specifica racial component to her actions and 'jokes'.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

That's an interesting situation. Apparently this guy was berated for being stereotypically "macho" in an ethnic sense by a female human. And people are calling that racist. Interesting. I didn't know that was possible. I wonder why you wouldn't call it sexist to berate someone for behaving in a masculine way. At least the guy wasn't white or people wouldn't have cared half as much.

Because she was expecting him to be 'macho' and 'aggressive' because he was Mexican. There was a specifica racial component to her actions and 'jokes'.

The issue is that by treating "being macho" as a social ill similar to whatever other negative stereotypes about other groups are out there such as black people being more prone to crime or Asians being bad drivers you are in effect equating the natural way of being of an entire sex to crime or incompetence.

Basically, to me this is more racially sexist than racistly gendered.

 

[WindKnight]

That's an interesting situation. Apparently this guy was berated for being stereotypically "macho" in an ethnic sense by a female human. And people are calling that racist. Interesting. I didn't know that was possible. I wonder why you wouldn't call it sexist to berate someone for behaving in a masculine way. At least the guy wasn't white or people wouldn't have cared half as much.

Because she was expecting him to be 'macho' and 'aggressive' because he was Mexican. There was a specifica racial component to her actions and 'jokes'.

The issue is that by treating "being macho" as a social ill similar to whatever other negative stereotypes about other groups are out there such as black people being more prone to crime or Asians being bad drivers you are in effect equating the natural way of being of an entire sex to crime or incompetence.

Basically, to me this is more racially sexist than racistly gendered.

And yet, she only accused/abused the MEXICAN co-worker. The other dude on the team was white, so she did not accuse him of being macho or aggressive, she only went after the MEXICAN because to her the stereotype was MEXICAN men being aggressive and macho.

RACE came first, not sex.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

That's an interesting situation. Apparently this guy was berated for being stereotypically "macho" in an ethnic sense by a female human. And people are calling that racist. Interesting. I didn't know that was possible. I wonder why you wouldn't call it sexist to berate someone for behaving in a masculine way. At least the guy wasn't white or people wouldn't have cared half as much.

Because she was expecting him to be 'macho' and 'aggressive' because he was Mexican. There was a specifica racial component to her actions and 'jokes'.

The issue is that by treating "being macho" as a social ill similar to whatever other negative stereotypes about other groups are out there such as black people being more prone to crime or Asians being bad drivers you are in effect equating the natural way of being of an entire sex to crime or incompetence.

Basically, to me this is more racially sexist than racistly gendered.

And yet, she only accused/abused the MEXICAN co-worker. The other dude on the team was white, so she did not accuse him of being macho or aggressive, she only went after the MEXICAN because to her the stereotype was MEXICAN men being aggressive and macho.

RACE came first, not sex.

That's a jump in logic. We don't really know why she didn't accuse the other guy. Maybe he was really effeminate or something. Who knows. Either way, if being macho isn't a social ill then the accusation ought to have no weight to it so if one is trying to belittle someone they are at least treating the accusation as though it's a bad thing.

 

[WindKnight]

That's a jump in logic. We don't really know why she didn't accuse the other guy. Maybe he was really effeminate or something. Who knows. Either way, if being macho isn't a social ill then the accusation ought to have no weight to it so if one is trying to belittle someone they are at least treating the accusation as though it's a bad thing.

Macho is 'masculine in an overly assertive or aggressive way'. That sounds pretty negative outside of specific situations or mindsets that probably would be better served by other more calmer and clear headed mindsets in the first place. There's a reason why we say 'macho douchebag' as an insult.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

That's a jump in logic. We don't really know why she didn't accuse the other guy. Maybe he was really effeminate or something. Who knows. Either way, if being macho isn't a social ill then the accusation ought to have no weight to it so if one is trying to belittle someone they are at least treating the accusation as though it's a bad thing.

Macho is 'masculine in an overly assertive or aggressive way'. That sounds pretty negative outside of specific situations or mindsets that probably would be better served by other more calmer and clear headed mindsets in the first place. There's a reason why we say 'macho douchebag' as an insult.

I think you defeated your own point here.

If macho is a bad thing, you don't need to add a thing to it that indicates the person is a bad specimen of macho. If the saying is "macho douchebag" then merely being macho does not one a douchebag make.


And no to me that stuff isn't really what I associate with being macho. It's more about stuff like athleticism and physicality in simple terms. Macho people are more in tune with their natural side and less with their intellectual one. There's this conventional wisdom about balance and how it's not good to lean too much towards either side, the opposite of being macho being something along the lines of having utterly sublimated those physical tendencies into other interests and activities, but I don't think this expectation of balance is very realistic and it ends up pathologizing a whole lot of normally varying people.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

We aren't going to see Esports at the olympics until we're sure one of the competitors isn't chomping at the bit to scream slurs or teabag an opponent in front of a worldwide audience.

Pretty sure there're a thousand more reasons why we're not going to see Esports at the Olympics any time soon.

That being said, teabagging in front of a live audience of billion people, would be a sight to behold. Damn, now i'm a bit sad.

And then you'll have to explain to your non-gaming friends and family what he's doing, and then having them wondering if you do that, and if you do, wondering 'what the hell is wrong with you'.

I'd 'explain' it by saying "Beats me. It's just what those shooter people do.".
And i'd be relieved if wondering if i "do that weird stuff in videogames" is the worst my family would think of me.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

That's a jump in logic. We don't really know why she didn't accuse the other guy. Maybe he was really effeminate or something. Who knows. Either way, if being macho isn't a social ill then the accusation ought to have no weight to it so if one is trying to belittle someone they are at least treating the accusation as though it's a bad thing.

Macho is 'masculine in an overly assertive or aggressive way'. That sounds pretty negative outside of specific situations or mindsets that probably would be better served by other more calmer and clear headed mindsets in the first place. There's a reason why we say 'macho douchebag' as an insult.

I think you defeated your own point here.

If macho is a bad thing, you don't need to add a thing to it that indicates the person is a bad specimen of macho. If the saying is "macho douchebag" then merely being macho does not one a douchebag make.

So i guess "asshole" isn't an insult either. Because people keep saying "stupid asshole" all the time.

And no to me that stuff isn't really what I associate with being macho. It's more about stuff like athleticism and physicality in simple terms. Macho people are more in tune with their natural side and less with their intellectual one. There's this conventional wisdom about balance and how it's not good to lean too much towards either side, the opposite of being macho being something along the lines of having utterly sublimated those physical tendencies into other interests and activities, but I don't think this expectation of balance is very realistic and it ends up pathologizing a whole lot of normally varying people.

I think you might be conflating widely understood masculinity with 'machismo' here. Those aren't necesirally the same things.
And the guy explains in detail in his twitlonger what happened. It wasn't merely being called "macho".

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Bad sportsmanship? No one cares that much about teabagging, literally no one cares, except you people

Ah.
"No one cares, except you people [but acknowledging that doesn't suit my argument]".
I get it, you've invested a lot of time on this thing and like the games-are-art crowd you want worldwide recognition to validate however you feel about it, which evidently is very strongly. Fact is "competitive gaming" doesn't check any of the requirements to be considered or accepted as an Olympic sport by the IOC, except for its widespread popularity, putting it on the same level as baking pies or playing Monopoly. It's too new, doesn't tie to any tradition, doesn't branch from any other sport, it's too easy to get into, too easy to master and frankly encourages poor sportsmanship if it has people defending mock-rape. This would be like a sport where flipping off the opponent is allowed and encouraged. Your middle finger isn't your dick; it's what it represents what's the problem. Also the IOC doesn't consider "mind games" (ie. chess) to begin with, which makes up for most of the, uh, """sport""" of gaming.