Always On-line is Not a Deal-Breaker for Me.

[Tony2077]

its a video game there are more important things for me to think about this online stuff just doesn't make the list at all. why not defend it its not hurting anyone

Sure there are always more important things in life, but you can take a little time out of your busy schedule to reflect on what it is you're doing no?

Look I have a bigger problem with throwing your fellow man under the bus because you can't be bothered. Fine don't think about it, but in that case don't come in and defend something that hurts others and doesn't affect you at all.

Your post that basically said you didn't care as long as you personally could access the game, was basically a kick in the balls to those who do have those problems.

There are numerous examples in this thread of the problems always on-line causes. May not be life threatening physical hurt, but it's an unnecessary hindrance that intrudes on privacy and gives no benefit to the consumer.

I'm sure you've got no time to respond to this, but what are some points you have in favour of this DRM? Most can probably be solved in simpler less intrusive ways.

its not hurting anyone and your the one kicking me in the balls here. tell me online drm hurt or killed someone then I'll care

 

[RatRace123]

Well, it's a deal breaker for me. I don't like games that place any sort of restrictions on me accessing the game I payed for.
You can access online all the time, good for you and people like you, but the people who can't, then they either can't play the game at all, or they waste 60 bucks on a new drink coaster.

 

[Kuzlo]

well its not all bad so don't leave just yet

Why not? You're actively destroying the capabilities and flexibility of a new medium, a medium that deserves more than the brutish punishment of major publishers and the mindless consumers that support them.

Sure, there's more to life than games, but why stay on a planet with a culture that actively brutalizes its own forms of expression and entertainment?

Holy Crap. This. This exactly. Well not the leave the planet thing, got plenty to live for.

We are setting a precedent every day, for how publishers will act towards consumers. If the consumers don't stand back and go "Whoa guy! I'm actually not comfortable with supporting that kind of action. I'm not going to buy your game." then well they'll keep on doing it, because you know they really like money.

And indifferent consumers only interested in the product will shell it out by the bucketful.

 

[Vault101]

I have a bad feeling its going to start some kind of trend...not to mention affect single player

 

[Kuzlo]

its not hurting anyone and your the one kicking me in the balls here. tell me online drm hurt or killed someone then I'll care

No idea how I'm kicking you in the balls. Just trying to get you to think about how it might affect others. And if not that, just don't contribute to a topic you don't care for.

Not everything important is life and death. Maybe you believe the opposite, and if that's the case it's probably why you don't find it an issue.

If so then damn I dunno man. I got nothing.

 

[Tony2077]

its not hurting anyone and your the one kicking me in the balls here. tell me online drm hurt or killed someone then I'll care

No idea how I'm kicking you in the balls. Just trying to get you to think about how it might affect others. And if not that, just don't contribute to a topic you don't care for.

Not everything important is life and death. Maybe you believe the opposite, and if that's the case it's probably why you don't find it an issue.

If so then damn I dunno man. I got nothing.

i can't think of any real reason to oppose it just because someone else doesn't get to play it doesn't mean i have to attack it there are too many games and other hobbies out there for it to matter as much as you people like to think it does

 

[Stainlesssteele4]

Most games I play are multiplayer or mmos, so I don't have a problem.
I see how some gamers don't like the idea of a predominately single player game being server hosted, but since most games that require a constant internet connection are multiplayer centric, I haven't had a problem with any games yet.
I'm almost on the fence with Diablo 3, but since I and most people I know are going to play with others, it doesn't effect me that much.

 

[DoPo]

i can't think of any real reason to oppose it just because someone else doesn't get to play it doesn't mean i have to attack it there are too many games and other hobbies out there for it to matter as much as you people like to think it does

So what is the reason to defend it then? There are too many games and other hobbies out there, why does it matter to you what happens with always online requirement?

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Diablo 2 was plagues with hacks, dubbing of items and a worthless economy due to gold buying.

None of which were a problem in the singe player mode. Ergo, there is no need to have always online DRM while playing on your own. Not a valid point.

If you have an unstable internet connection, I get your frustration, but the internet is the future, and I'm really sorry if your government doesn't support stable 24/7 connections, but the rest of us shouldn't have to suffer for it.

Why should people with a non-stable internet connection suffer for those among us who do have a good one? Works both ways.

agreed, they are just shooting themselves in the foot with always online DRM, it is completely unnecessary and it 100% influenced my decision to not buy d3 (among a other reasons, but that did solidify that molding)

As people have already explained, always online prevents me from playing the game in the event of internet outage/server problems/apocalypse. This is annoying and unnecessary.

However, my big problem is what this represents: the reduction of consumer control. Want to play the game without internet? Can't. Want to replace all of the monster files with bunny rabbits? Can't. Want to play LAN with your friends? Can't. Want to give yourself all of the best gear in single player? Can't. And Yet people who pirate the game don't have this problem.

Sure, it's reasonable to play by the developer's rules on the developer's multiplayer servers. But when I'm playing by myself or with some of my friends, why can't I do whatever the hell I want?

this.

if i go to the store and buy a baketball and wanna shoot hoops outside, am i required to drive all the way to EA's mandated gym's? can i not color the ball or pump as little or as much air as i want into it? can i not use it as something to sit on if nothing else?

is that affecting ANYONE else's experience with THEIR basketballs? hell no, which is why this is complete bullshit (weird example i know, but i still feel it reflects it the same way)

 

[Tony2077]

i can't think of any real reason to oppose it just because someone else doesn't get to play it doesn't mean i have to attack it there are too many games and other hobbies out there for it to matter as much as you people like to think it does

So what is the reason to defend it then? There are too many games and other hobbies out there, why does it matter to you what happens with always online requirement?

its doesn't but the way you people condemn it doesn't help either so i picked the lesser of two evils

 

[Kuzlo]

i can't think of any real reason to oppose it just because someone else doesn't get to play it doesn't mean i have to attack it there are too many games and other hobbies out there for it to matter as much as you people like to think it does

So what is the reason to defend it then? There are too many games and other hobbies out there, why does it matter to you what happens with always online requirement?

Yeah Escapist cut out and I got ninja'd, but pretty much this.

You don't have to attack it. Just don't defend it, because it really is unnecessary and it really does have a negative impact on others.

Cheers.

Edit:

its doesn't but the way you people condemn it doesn't help either so i picked the lesser of two evils

D: The lesser of two evils is to support something that gives no good just bad? O.O What kind of devils do you think we are? Condemning a non-consumer-friendly product seems the right thing to do and helps more than standing to the side and being silent.

 

[LetalisK]

The crux of the problem with always online DRM is that it adds something else that can cause you not to be able to play a game. I don't like barriers to playing my games.

Or cause people to go look for not entirely legal copies that have the always-online feature turned off.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Because there's absolutely no multiplayer in most of the games. People don't want to have to be online to play a single player RPG or third person shooter or what ever.
Now, Diablo 3 is a strange exception. It doesn't have actual multiplayer but has that market thing... as far as I'm concerned, there's no point in not actually having full blown multiplayer.

 

[Saulkar]

To put it as simply as possible. I am in a high intensity internet usage neighbourhood that runs on an archaic infrastructure that cannot guarantee a connection for more than a few minutes before disconnecting and reconnecting. Usually a time-frame of no more than five seconds and goes unnoticed while doing something like youtube but makes multiplayer gaming and always online fucking impossible during the day and in turn the school week.

 

[Tony2077]

i can't think of any real reason to oppose it just because someone else doesn't get to play it doesn't mean i have to attack it there are too many games and other hobbies out there for it to matter as much as you people like to think it does

So what is the reason to defend it then? There are too many games and other hobbies out there, why does it matter to you what happens with always online requirement?

Yeah Escapist cut out and I got ninja'd, but pretty much this.

You don't have to attack it. Just don't defend it, because it really is unnecessary and it really does have a negative impact on others.

Cheers.

Edit:

its doesn't but the way you people condemn it doesn't help either so i picked the lesser of two evils

D: The lesser of two evils is to support something that gives no good just bad? O.O What kind of devils do you think we are? Condemning a non-consumer-friendly product seems the right thing to do and helps more than standing to the side and being silent.

well to be honest i was making fun of you guys with that last part since its not evil picking the lesser evil doesn't work when there is no evil . i just don't see why you people get so upset over stuff like this it doesn't make sense any way i try to think about it

 

[Warachia]

well to be honest i was making fun of you guys with that last part. i just don't see why you people get so upset over stuff like this it doesn't make sense any way i try to think about it

Try to see it from our perspective, you pay around $60 for something, that you then can do nothing with, due to a feature that contributes nothing at all, to me that is like having a laptop that can't move, sure it still works, but I'll take any alternative over it.

Better yet is when Microsoft fucks up their updates and I can't access any internet without doing a system restore, now what would have happened if I didn't know how to do that? Well I could still access everything stored on my computer, except for that game I paid money for.

 

[Kuzlo]

well to be honest i was making fun of you guys with that last part since its not evil picking the lesser evil doesn't work when there is no evil . i just don't see why you people get so upset over stuff like this it doesn't make sense any way i try to think about it

I dunno, I think the whole "not my problem as long as it doesn't affect me" thing is what made me post.

As for it not being evil....yeah I guess not. Unnecessary and obtrusive yes, evil no.


Oh and look at that, my whole Lurker thing just went completely out the window after tonight.
Thanks for that :/

 

[Tony2077]

well to be honest i was making fun of you guys with that last part since its not evil picking the lesser evil doesn't work when there is no evil . i just don't see why you people get so upset over stuff like this it doesn't make sense any way i try to think about it

I dunno, I think the whole "not my problem as long as it doesn't affect me" thing is what made me post.

As for it not being evil....yeah I guess not. Unnecessary and obtrusive yes, evil no.


Oh and look at that, my whole Lurker thing just went completely out the window after tonight.
Thanks for that :/

well its not entirely unnecessary and obtrusive well yeah that i can see but that's just going by what some people think about it and the meaning of the word

don't worry my lurker stuff goes out the window because of this stuff too

 

[Epona]

well to be honest i was making fun of you guys with that last part since its not evil picking the lesser evil doesn't work when there is no evil . i just don't see why you people get so upset over stuff like this it doesn't make sense any way i try to think about it

I dunno, I think the whole "not my problem as long as it doesn't affect me" thing is what made me post.

As for it not being evil....yeah I guess not. Unnecessary and obtrusive yes, evil no.


Oh and look at that, my whole Lurker thing just went completely out the window after tonight.
Thanks for that :/

well its not entirely unnecessary and obtrusive well yeah that i can see but that's just going by what some people think about it and the meaning of the word

don't worry my lurker stuff goes out the window because of this stuff too

So, you ever heard of commas, periods and capitalization? It's hard to read your posts if you don't use atleast commas and periods.

 

[Tony2077]

well to be honest i was making fun of you guys with that last part since its not evil picking the lesser evil doesn't work when there is no evil . i just don't see why you people get so upset over stuff like this it doesn't make sense any way i try to think about it

I dunno, I think the whole "not my problem as long as it doesn't affect me" thing is what made me post.

As for it not being evil....yeah I guess not. Unnecessary and obtrusive yes, evil no.


Oh and look at that, my whole Lurker thing just went completely out the window after tonight.
Thanks for that :/

well its not entirely unnecessary and obtrusive well yeah that i can see but that's just going by what some people think about it and the meaning of the word

don't worry my lurker stuff goes out the window because of this stuff too

So, you ever heard of commas, periods and capitalization? It's hard to read your posts if you don't use atleast commas and periods.

first i get reamed out for my opinion now this god you people are a pain