Am I alone in disliking invincible NPC allies in FPS games?

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They only annoy me when they keep shouting things along the lines of "Push forward!" "Move up!" "I'm taking fire!" "I'm hit!" etc. etc. Extremely annoying.

Though, I'd like to see a game where the NPCs KNOW their invincible. Just for shits and giggles really.
 

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This becomes soooo much harder if you need someone for the main story and they die cus they are a stupid NPC. I remember once in Morrowind, I was kitting a bunch of somethings, that really wanted to introduce me to my innards, back to a town so the guards could help me. So I get to town and the guards help me. I look at my quests and some dude for the main quest is there. So I'm like, "Cool I'll talk to this dude so I will not have to come back here." Then BAM I see him laying dead on the ground and the game tells me I will not be able to finnish the main quest and would I like to load my game. So I load my save that was from 1.5 hours ago.

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Not alone at all, I want to be able to execute NPCs if I think they are dumb, don't help or even if I just don't like their voice. If there are consequences eg not being able to do certain missions then that's fine by me.

Point in fact- Morrowind:

You could kill anyone in the game, if they were part of a mission in the future that mission was not available. That's perfectly fine by me. It's also one of the reasons why Oblivion sucked compared to Morrowind.
 
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I remember waaay back when I played the first Call of Duty. In the first campaign you are often accompanied by a long thin guy who usually talks and helps other characters plant explosives etc.

Thing is, he can actually die and if he does he will remain dead. Once I learned that I did all i could to protect him each play through. Although, every other story character was invincible and every non story character was replaced 20 seconds after dying.
 

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It always makes me sigh a little, but is there really any alternative? I used to hate games where if your companion died then it basically acted like you died and gave you a Game Over screen.
 

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believer258 said:
Netrigan said:
Maybe my memory lies. It's been ages since I played it. But I swear I remember her dying during some of the major Combine assaults... more than once.
She's died on me a couple of times. It's possible for her to, it just takes a lot of damage all at one time.
Looking at the comments on the YouTube video I posted. She's set up so that no single enemy can kill her, but she can't be expected to survive an attack from several enemies at the same time.

Which I think works pretty well in practice. You have to keep an eye on her to make sure she's not getting swamped; but that feels more like teamwork than babysitting.
 

StormShaun

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Did you EVER think they are not invincible but are just too awesome to die..
 

Zhukov

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Y'know, given the quality of characterization found in most FPSs, I agree with you.

A few abrupt and irreversible deaths would certainly have improved Homefront somewhat.
 

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Sarge034 said:
This becomes soooo much harder if you need someone for the main story and they die cus they are a stupid NPC. I remember once in Morrowind, I was kitting a bunch of somethings, that really wanted to introduce me to my innards, back to a town so the guards could help me. So I get to town and the guards help me. I look at my quests and some dude for the main quest is there. So I'm like, "Cool I'll talk to this dude so I will not have to come back here." Then BAM I see him laying dead on the ground and the game tells me I will not be able to finnish the main quest and would I like to load my game. So I load my save that was from 1.5 hours ago.

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Actually it is possible to finish the main quest in Morrowind if you kill a key npc. Although it does require you also kill Vivec too.

http://www.gamebanshee.com/morrowind/locations/quick.php
 

Alon Shechter

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..But if they weren't then I can't punch them to an unconcious state and take them on a trip to the lovely wasteland with me....
 

liquidus118

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They aren't a problem because they never kill anyone and enemies ignore them completely so they're just talkative background decoration.
 
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I always remember the Halo Marines in this example.
From Halo 1 to Reach, I've always felt like they were my responsibilty. I'd constantly protect them from danger and almost run up to them in a "Are you ok? Are you shot? Want some hot chocolate?" kind of way. They just mostly felt like a liability.
So, I suppose if done right, it would be managable, but I'm mostly against mortal NPCs.
But in Halo a lot of it is made up by some of their awsome dialogue!

"Check me out, I'm shooting dead guys!"
 

silver wolf009

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I hate invicible allies, but what I hate even more are escort missions, so I think I will choose the lesser of two evils here.