Am I the only one who thinks what happened to Megaupload was a good thing?
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SOPA and PIPA will never pass. They have very little support at the moment, and even if they did pass, they would likely be met by a presidential veto. Those can only be overruled by a 2/3 majority, which as I said, they don't have. As for the Megaupload issue, it is unfortunate that people lost a shit ton of legitimate data as a result of the shutdown. Hopefully there will be some way for those users to retrieve it, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen. Megaupload's crime was not that they did anything wrong, it's that they didn't do anything. I don't really pirate things. I'll listen to copyrighted music on Youtube, but really I'll only do that to see if I like the song, or album or whatever so I can make a decision as to whether or not I should buy it.Luftwaffles said:
Bullshit. I've never used Megaupload to pirate stuff. I've used it solely to download videos of girls doing stuff on Stickam.tthor said:
The people who claim SOPA will break the internet, or more accurately, that it will create security holes and effectively break internet security protocols such as DNSSEC, include people such as computer scientists at the Department of Energy R&D labs, Sandia National Laboratories. These are people who know way more about the way the internet works than you are giving them credit for. You are right in that "break the internet" is a bit of a stretch, but really what it will do is break internet security, not help it.Sober Thal said:
That's a flawed argument.Twitchy Racoon said:
YouTube had no problem hosting tons of copyrighted material, until they were sued by Viacom in 2007. It's only then that they started taking videos down.
Despite their efforts throughout the years, you can still find a lot of copyrighted material on their site, as you yourself have pointed out.
Now, should YouTube's staff be arrested because of this? Or a better question: should YouTube's staff have been arrested way back in 2007, instead of being sued?
YouTube and Megaupload are guilty of the same crimes. The only real difference between them, is that one of them is owned by one of the most prominent corporations in the world, while the other is not. I think it's clear which one US law favors.
I do think this is good in a way because it shows that websites can be taken down with the current system if they blatantly break copyright law for profit it proves there is no need for SOPA/PIPA. and there is nothing stopping this website coming back without all the copyrighted stuff on it.
Am I the only one who thinks "Am I the only one" threads are massive flamewar magnets and serve no purpose other than possible trolling? Seriously. Yes it's good to discuss things, but saying "My X opinion is opposite of Y issue, hence it must be discussed" is just asking for a load of people to run in and start kicking shins.
With that said, no. No it wasn't a good thing. If they'd shut down Youtube, would you consider it a good thing as well?
With that said, no. No it wasn't a good thing. If they'd shut down Youtube, would you consider it a good thing as well?
The difference with Megaupload is that they have been accused of actually endorsing their pirated material in an attempt to increase their advertisement revenue (not saying its true). In other words the guys at Megaupload didn't even try to remove the stuff but rather encouraged people to use and download them.Spitfire said:
While I in no way support SOPA or PIPA or ACTA or the next internet seeking missile and I also am disappointed that the owner is being charged as a felon on account some of his millions of his users actions I am somewhat glad that the government went through proper channels, this was the result of a hearing in front of a grand jury. (based on what I've read, please correct me if I'm wrong.) I'm disappointed that it was MegaUpload which is a great resource that was taken down because some people abused it to partake in piracy. I do hope that this means that we can work towards things like bringing down sites like Pirate Bay though, The sites that exist for the sole reason of creating user friendly easy to use pirating resources that hide behind the legal excuse of we're just hosting the links.
You know what? if Sopa meant that the evidence had to be present in a court of law before the site was taken down, legal until proven guilty instead of the reverse of that it is now, was dealt on a case by case basis with powers that were not exclusive to corporations, and we better defined things like fair use and maybe found legal descriptions and classifications for things like "abandonware" I might just be in favour of it.
You know what? if Sopa meant that the evidence had to be present in a court of law before the site was taken down, legal until proven guilty instead of the reverse of that it is now, was dealt on a case by case basis with powers that were not exclusive to corporations, and we better defined things like fair use and maybe found legal descriptions and classifications for things like "abandonware" I might just be in favour of it.
first we must see that megauploda was a place were there were illegal actions were in place, the owners knew about this. if this actions by the government show that there is no need for sopa and that they can fix the problem without a new law, will proof that sopa is useless, this will lead to a relaxation of the topic, but first we must support this action so the investigation marches perfectly fine. i support the actions that against megaupload because is fore the grater good of the internet and freedom of speech
I'm not sure I'd go as to say it's a good thing - I do not think this is the way to prevent piracy in future. But I think the take down and legal action was done within the standard parametres set for dealing with suspected criminals, and in this case piracy is being no differently then any other crime (my opposition with SOPA was the fact that it treated piracy as "different" and applied a set of rules that are alien to the standard treatment of suspected criminals.) There was reasonable suspicion that Megaupload was breaking the law, and the authorities as such acted properly - I'm not going to go into too much detail as I have done so on numerous other threads.
The one thing I would add is that, if the current law (which has all the protections inherent in a common law system) is seen to be working, the need for a SOPA like bill (which has no such protections) will be lessened.
The one thing I would add is that, if the current law (which has all the protections inherent in a common law system) is seen to be working, the need for a SOPA like bill (which has no such protections) will be lessened.
I have to wonder if the amount of time and money being spent fighting piracy is more than what piracy is actually costing. Of course, I have no evidence of that or anything but it would be interesting to find out.
Honestly though, I think the people who are jumping to MegaUpload's defense by saying some people used it legitimately are crazy. On the other hand, I do agree that blaming a system for what other people choose to do with it is kind of like blaming a gun maker for when someone shoots other person (side note: Yes, I'm aware MegaUpload is suspected to actually have encouraged illegal content, but I'm not believing that until it's proven).
Either way, you have to admit it did shake the system up considerably. I don't think it's done anything to combat piracy, since most people are simply going to look for alternatives though.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
Honestly though, I think the people who are jumping to MegaUpload's defense by saying some people used it legitimately are crazy. On the other hand, I do agree that blaming a system for what other people choose to do with it is kind of like blaming a gun maker for when someone shoots other person (side note: Yes, I'm aware MegaUpload is suspected to actually have encouraged illegal content, but I'm not believing that until it's proven).
Either way, you have to admit it did shake the system up considerably. I don't think it's done anything to combat piracy, since most people are simply going to look for alternatives though.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
Now where will I get my homemade amateur porn? No, I am not making a joke here, I'm dead fucking serious. A lot of people from the many [x]chan sites uploaded videos to Megaupload, and I enjoyed a lot of those videos. This is a true kick in the theoretical balls.
)to add to this you want to help kick off the ww3 then go a head keep supporting sopa a pipa when they kick in you'll regret it and I'm also referring to the ones that support this insubordination. If you say there not going to be ww3 if these laws that try to pass thats good you still got hope but don't take the risk.
Aidinthel said:
Lol, are you seriously suggesting that MU's owners thought that every single file on their website was legal?
