Amercian arrested for Child Porn by Canadian customs who found manga on his computer.

[Motiv_]

30 minutes without a reply isn't really anything to get upset about.

11:34 am to 11:59 pm is 12 hours and 25 minutes, not 30 minutes.

Yes, and if you'll read further into the thread, the OP corrected me on this and I said "My bad".

 

[Scott Guthrie]

i'm gonna quote my dad here

"why don't they go out and find some real criminals!!!"

 

[Justanothergamer300]

Didn't this this happen awhile back to another person? Just asking. Even that kind of manga freaks me out and is nasty, as long as it's not real

 

[LittlePineWeasel]

words, the same words, over and over, all based on a fallacy.

lolicon is child porn. Full stop.

You however insist on now talking about subsets blah blah blah, all so you can make some hollow statement about how you agree its child porn. Some kind of deranged "kiddie porn light", or "diet kiddie porn". Fail. You're still wrong until you leave off the asterisk, kiddo.

I could say that the statement you contradicted could easily be said because the guy with the child porn had nothing really to do with a child getting hurt, unless he somehow ordered up the image/video on demand... but I wont, because then you'd invariably try to turn it around and say that that guy also shouldn't be arrested.

Win? lol there's no winners here. Only people who are right, and people who lie to themselves to rationalize child porn being "ok".

 

[LittlePineWeasel]

And I tire of being presented with the same creepy "yay child porn" evidence that its wrong to lock up someone caught with it.

Yeah man I know. People actually supporting their argument with evidence!? How dare they. It's like they think they're living in a modern society or something.

lol what does being modern have to do with backing child pornography?? lol fuck but you pervs are so lost in the false logic of the lies you tell yourselves to rationalize kiddie porn, its like talking to a brick wall.

 

[Jonluw]

words, the same words, over and over, all based on a fallacy.

lolicon is child porn. Full stop.

Yes it is. In the same way that a pen is a writing tool.
You're just trolling, aren't you?

I'm saying lolicon is child porn. It is a sub-section of child porn all of itself.
However, it is a harmelss version of it, and therefore should be legal.

My entire last post consisted of acknowledging that lolicon is child porn, and you use the entire reply to claim that I'm saying it isn't.

You however insist on now talking about subsets blah blah blah, all so you can make some hollow statement about how you agree its child porn. Some kind of deranged "kiddie porn light", or "diet kiddie porn". Fail. You're still wrong until you leave off the asterisk, kiddo.

I could say that the statement you contradicted could easily be said because the guy with the child porn had nothing really to do with a child getting hurt, unless he somehow ordered up the image/video on demand... but I wont, because then you'd invariably try to turn it around and say that that guy also shouldn't be arrested.

No. People who support sexual photographs and videos of children are harming children by proxy and should be jailed.

You are still not understanding how debate works.

 

[DestinyDriven]

Ah, more insanity. Yay.
Loli/shota does not = CP.
It is a fantasy. Not every fantasy/fetish that some people have would mean they want to do it in real life, or even like in real life, if that is even possible. I mean, just take a look at something like vore. Some people actually get off to that. That does not mean that some people actually want to be ingested. You can't put realities physics on fantasy. It doesn't work and never will. Vore is not my thing at all, but since I have fetishes and fantasies (and some of those fantasies I would NEVER want to happen in reality, even if it is a turn on in a fantasy), I understand. As long as it is consensual and not harming anyone, then it is no ones business what someone gets off to. That is my motto.

It may disgust some people, but really, if the person is not harming anyone, then I don't see how it is my or anyone elses problem or right to say what others should like and not like. Just because "it may cause SOME people to become pedos, but we don't know for sure", that is not an excuse, because you are probably condemning innocent people by tarring them with the same brush. And really, saying it will cause some people to become pedos is absurd. Pedophillia is not something one can just "get into".

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

If there are no victims for an activity, then it isn't a crime. End of discussion.

But what about the indignant feelings of contempt held by the respectable masses? What is life imprisonment for one man compared with mild offence to millions of innocent Daily Mail readers?

Yeah, I couldn't get through that without spitting.

Anyway, I've linked it before, but I don't think there are any situations where monkey dust ISN'T appropriate.

This isn't exactly on topic but I had never even heard of Monkey Dust before but now that I've discovered it, its pretty awesome. Thank you, poster!
On topic, I think its a bit stupid. For all we know, it wasn't even porn, simply something that someone didn't like the look of. You know about all the weird crap that comes out of Japan.

 

[Spawkuring]

words, the same words, over and over, all based on a fallacy.

lolicon is child porn. Full stop.

You however insist on now talking about subsets blah blah blah, all so you can make some hollow statement about how you agree its child porn. Some kind of deranged "kiddie porn light", or "diet kiddie porn". Fail. You're still wrong until you leave off the asterisk, kiddo.

I could say that the statement you contradicted could easily be said because the guy with the child porn had nothing really to do with a child getting hurt, unless he somehow ordered up the image/video on demand... but I wont, because then you'd invariably try to turn it around and say that that guy also shouldn't be arrested.

Win? lol there's no winners here. Only people who are right, and people who lie to themselves to rationalize child porn being "ok".

It's actually very important to define "subsets" because the law is a blunt object, and can often get innocents caught in its web if not properly defined.

Hurting another person is a crime that can get you thrown in jail, but at the same time you won't be punished if it's determined that the violence was out of self-defense. Drinking alcohol is also legal. Drinking and driving is not. If we didn't fine-tune the law with situations like this in mind, we wouldn't have very many freedoms left.

Child porn is not wrong because "it just is". It's wrong because it involves the abuse of children. If there is a type of porn that does not involve abuse, then there is no need to keep it illegal. Is lolicon distasteful, weird, gross, etc.? Yes, at least to most people. But finding something in bad taste is no reason to throw a person in jail.

 

[LittlePineWeasel]

Ah, more insanity. Yay.
Loli/shota does not = CP.
It is a fantasy. Not every fantasy/fetish that some people have would mean they want to do it in real life, or even like in real life, if that is even possible. I mean, just take a look at something like vore. Some people actually get off to that. That does not mean that some people actually want to be ingested. You can't put realities physics on fantasy. It doesn't work and never will. Vore is not my thing at all, but since I have fetishes and fantasies (and some of those fantasies I would NEVER want to happen in reality, even if it is a turn on in a fantasy), I understand. As long as it is consensual and not harming anyone, then it is no ones business what someone gets off to. That is my motto.

It may disgust some people, but really, if the person is not harming anyone, then I don't see how it is my or anyone elses problem or right to say what others should like and not like. Just because "it may cause SOME people to become pedos, but we don't know for sure", that is not an excuse, because you are probably condemning innocent people by tarring them with the same brush. And really, saying it will cause some people to become pedos is absurd. Pedophillia is not something one can just "get into".

heh its also something that by all appearances you cant just "get out of" as well. And using euphemisms to try and call kiddie porn something other than what it is doesn't help anyone "get out of" it either.

 

[Jonluw]

words, the same words, over and over, all based on a fallacy.

lolicon is child porn. Full stop.

Yes it is. In the same way that a pen is a writing tool.
You're just trolling, aren't you?

I'm saying lolicon is child porn. It is a sub-section of child porn all of itself.
However, it is a harmelss version of it, and therefore should be legal.

My entire last post consisted of acknowledging that lolicon is child porn, and you use the entire reply to claim that I'm saying it isn't.

You however insist on now talking about subsets blah blah blah, all so you can make some hollow statement about how you agree its child porn. Some kind of deranged "kiddie porn light", or "diet kiddie porn". Fail. You're still wrong until you leave off the asterisk, kiddo.

I could say that the statement you contradicted could easily be said because the guy with the child porn had nothing really to do with a child getting hurt, unless he somehow ordered up the image/video on demand... but I wont, because then you'd invariably try to turn it around and say that that guy also shouldn't be arrested.

No. People who support sexual photographs and videos of children are harming children by proxy and should be jailed.

You are still not understanding how debate works.

Your saying that doesn't make it so. Just like how you really just cant be correct about this until you honestly reappraise your stance on what child porn is, why its wrong, and what should be done with someone who possesses it.

And you keep ignoring what I'm saying.

I'm really done trying to make you see sense. Its clear you have a problem, its debatable if you chose to have a problem or if its just some defect but just keep telling yourself youre a master of debate lol, and that lolicon isnt just a nice euphemism for kiddie porn.

*sigh*
I'm not saying that.

on a side note, were you the one that cried to the mod with the report button or was it the other pedophile? Cause, you know that's the surest sign that I've actually won the debate, when the freak on the other end throws in the towel and grabs the mod's apron strings.

That might have been me. Might have been some other person too, I dunno.
I tend to click the report button when I see people going for personal attacks, so yeah.

 

[Best of the 3]

words, the same words, over and over, all based on a fallacy.

lolicon is child porn. Full stop.

Yes it is. In the same way that a pen is a writing tool.
You're just trolling, aren't you?

I'm saying lolicon is child porn. It is a sub-section of child porn all of itself.
However, it is a harmelss version of it, and therefore should be legal.

My entire last post consisted of acknowledging that lolicon is child porn, and you use the entire reply to claim that I'm saying it isn't.

You however insist on now talking about subsets blah blah blah, all so you can make some hollow statement about how you agree its child porn. Some kind of deranged "kiddie porn light", or "diet kiddie porn". Fail. You're still wrong until you leave off the asterisk, kiddo.

I could say that the statement you contradicted could easily be said because the guy with the child porn had nothing really to do with a child getting hurt, unless he somehow ordered up the image/video on demand... but I wont, because then you'd invariably try to turn it around and say that that guy also shouldn't be arrested.

No. People who support sexual photographs and videos of children are harming children by proxy and should be jailed.

You are still not understanding how debate works.

Your saying that doesn't make it so. Just like how you really just cant be correct about this until you honestly reappraise your stance on what child porn is, why its wrong, and what should be done with someone who possesses it.

And you keep ignoring what I'm saying.

I'm really done trying to make you see sense. Its clear you have a problem, its debatable if you chose to have a problem or if its just some defect but just keep telling yourself youre a master of debate lol, and that lolicon isnt just a nice euphemism for kiddie porn.

*sigh*
I'm not saying that.

on a side note, were you the one that cried to the mod with the report button or was it the other pedophile? Cause, you know that's the surest sign that I've actually won the debate, when the freak on the other end throws in the towel and grabs the mod's apron strings.

That might have been me. Might have been some other person too, I dunno.
I tend to click the report button when I see people going for personal attacks, so yeah.

so you did cry. Brilliant.

whatever pedo. Done with you.

Hello. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I get it's something you don't like but does it cause harm to others? No. So don't use language like that.

OT: I guess the guy was arrested. It was against the rules of the country so he is to be blamed for that. I don't think Loli should be classed as CP however. It's not real. CP is CP, Loli is loli. They are not the same.

 

[Jonluw]

so you did cry. Brilliant.

whatever pedo. Done with you.

So this was some kind of ploy to get me to press the report button by repeatedly calling other users' arguments "fail" and "stupid".

I don't see what that's supposed to accomplish. We're encouraged to press the report button when we see posts in violation of forum rules. When we're in doubt, we should press, so when I see something offensive, I press. *shrug*

You're not going to last very long here, are you?

For the record: No longer adressing the opponent's arguments is a much safer sign of losing an argument than pressing the report-button on actually offensive posts is.

 

[DestinyDriven]

heh its also something that by all appearances you cant just "get out of" as well. And using euphemisms to try and call kiddie porn something other than what it is doesn't help anyone "get out of" it either.

How can you define it exactly as child porn? Some of these "lolis" are actually just young looking adults. Some don't even have ages. They don't even look like real kids. Unless it is stated that the "loli" is underage, I don't think it is child porn. Just another weird cartoon fetish. And I guess I don't see it as child porn because it isn't actually a real child. Just a drawing. Maybe that is the difference. It's not child porn to me because it isn't real, and loli's don't look like children to me. They just look... weird. Idk, maybe I am just too naive, but like I said, it is too hard to try to put realities laws on fantasy, hence the confusion and difference of opinion... maybe I just like playing devil's advocate. Who knows.

 

[AmandaHuginkiss127]

If someone is looking at an image that appears childlike and is being turned on by that image I don't think it matters whether the image is of a real child or not. The only solution is castration, as this is the only way to make sure these pervs do not jump from pictures to real children.

 

[Spawkuring]

If someone is looking at an image that appears childlike and is being turned on by that image I don't think it matters whether the image is of a real child or not. The only solution is castration, as this is the only way to make sure these pervs do not jump from pictures to real children.

Rape/molestation in general is more about exerting dominance and power than actual sex. Penis or not, a person who has a desire to molest children is gonna do it.

Then of course, there's no evidence I know of that links looking at fictional children and wanting to rape real children.

EDIT: And let's not forget that women can molest children too.

 

[DarkRyter]

Edit: I did write something but can't be bothered with all the responses so I'll just say, for the purpose of simplicity, that I honestly don't care if he goes to prison. In fact, I kinda hope he does.

Have you no sense of justice?! The man did nothing wrong!

 

[DestinyDriven]

@LittlePineWeasel

I think you are too emotional here. Try to look at it from a rational perspective. It's not so easy to put people into categories. What if someone IS innocent? You cannot prove that someone looking at loli makes them a pedo. There is not enough evidence yet. I don't want innocent people to go to prison just for that, they are harming no one by just looking at drawings.

I personally don't like loli or shota, but I am just trying to look at it this way, because there are things I like which other people don't get and would find disgusting.

 

[4173]

If you're into Lolicon/shota or whatever other euphemism for child porn you prefer, I hope you die. In a fire. Alone. And I hope about 6 or 7 of the pervs that have posted on this forum never get entrusted with a child...

You know, you had actually convinced me several pages back, with varying responses for different offenses and explicitly disowning thoughtcrime.

Now, I don't know. We seem to be back to pedophiles being inherently immoral beings, incapable of any sort of human contact and thinking about children is the same as kidnapping and raping them.