America calls England's NHS service "evil" after Obama's latest proposal to change healthcare system

[TheEvilCheese]

And just when I was beggining to think that most americans did have common sense but oh well...

 

[Sejs Cube]

Just to speak in our defense a bit - the majority of Americans want healthcare reform, something on par with .. well .. what practically every other civilized nation on earth has long since clued in on. I mean c'mon - we trust the government to ensure the safety and well-being of its citizens in every other regard; fire departments to keep us safe from fires, police to keep us safe from crime, the military to keep us safe from war, sanitation and environmental agencies to keep us safe from our own waste ... but the one thing the government CAN'T be entrusted to ensure is health care? Please.

The problem is that the system as it stands is a fantastic, have-you-over-a-barrel money maker, and the people who want to keep making that money are the ones who yell the loudest to protect what they've got going for 'em. And they yell and fume long enough and loud enough, and eventually some people who don't want to bother thinking it through for themselves start to believe it.

So, yeah. America as a whole doesn't think England's health service is "evil". Just the loudmouthed assholes with a vested interest are saying that.

 

[TheECP]

What's with the irrational fear of just a tiny bit of socialism in America?

I get the impression that socialism is worse in America than neo-nazism is in Germany.
It's probably because America spent a good 50 years fighting socialism, and since America is always right, then socialism must be bad.

That would be because Socialism in general isn't fair in reality, only in your imaginations.

 

[TheECP]

Well guess how also hated socialised medicine ? Fascists and Nazis so when you start
looking at it the republicans have alot of same views ...

Not all fascists were against socialized medicine, learn to pay attention in history class.

 

[Zani]

What's with the irrational fear of just a tiny bit of socialism in America?

I get the impression that socialism is worse in America than neo-nazism is in Germany.
It's probably because America spent a good 50 years fighting socialism, and since America is always right, then socialism must be bad.

That would be because Socialism in general isn't fair in reality, only in your imaginations.

Well that's a rude generalization, communism isn't fair, but a light social democracy is however very fair. For example, socialised health care is fair, since everyone gets treatment and not just the ones who can afford it.

 

[A random person]

Just to speak in our defense a bit - the majority of Americans want healthcare reform, something on par with .. well .. what practically every other civilized nation on earth has long since clued in on. I mean c'mon - we trust the government to ensure the safety and well-being of its citizens in every other regard; fire departments to keep us safe from fires, police to keep us safe from crime, the military to keep us safe from war, sanitation and environmental agencies to keep us safe from our own waste ... but the one thing the government CAN'T be entrusted to ensure is health care? Please.

The problem is that the system as it stands is a fantastic, have-you-over-a-barrel money maker, and the people who want to keep making that money are the ones who yell the loudest to protect what they've got going for 'em. And they yell and fume long enough and loud enough, and eventually some people who don't want to bother thinking it through for themselves start to believe it.

So, yeah. America as a whole doesn't think England's health service is "evil". Just the loudmouthed assholes with a vested interest are saying that.

You largely summarized my thoughts. We Americans aren't all dumb, just the ones who scream enough to get heard are. And it is hilarious that we don't have government health care; it seems to be working for the other countries. And the bureaucrats and "death panels" republicans are going on about already exist; they're called insurance unless you're rich.

 

[cartzo]

it is starting to seem like many americans dont want the policies that are the reason obama was voted for.

 

[FinalHeart95]

I don't understand whats so wrong about universal healthcare. America is the only developed country without universal healthcare, and you can see how shitty everything is going right now.

 

[TheECP]

What's with the irrational fear of just a tiny bit of socialism in America?

I get the impression that socialism is worse in America than neo-nazism is in Germany.
It's probably because America spent a good 50 years fighting socialism, and since America is always right, then socialism must be bad.

That would be because Socialism in general isn't fair in reality, only in your imaginations.

Well that's a rude generalization, communism isn't fair, but a light social democracy is however very fair. For example, socialised health care is fair, since everyone gets treatment and not just the ones who can afford it.

This is true, but people like to forget the already established industries that get in trouble after this, not to mention what kind of hit this will be on the current economy with the way Obama is going about it. The intent is good, the execution, not so much.

 

[TheECP]

it is starting to seem like many americans dont want the policies that are the reason obama was voted for.

A lot of Americans are actually paying attention now, instead of voting for the most pleasant sounding of two very bad candidates.

I predict Obama won't get re-elected, but we'll have to see.

 

[Crusader1089]

Fuckers. Those Americans have no idea.

I don't care if I get banned for saying fuckers, this is the first time I've ever felt passionately about anything.

The fuckers.

 

[Cocamaster]

What's with the irrational fear of just a tiny bit of socialism in America?

I get the impression that socialism is worse in America than neo-nazism is in Germany.
It's probably because America spent a good 50 years fighting socialism, and since America is always right, then socialism must be bad.

That would be because Socialism in general isn't fair in reality, only in your imaginations.

Well that's a rude generalization, communism isn't fair, but a light social democracy is however very fair. For example, socialised health care is fair, since everyone gets treatment and not just the ones who can afford it.

No, it isn't because those who can afford better care don't get it, unless they don't belong to, or seek it outside of the system.

The knife cuts both ways.

 

[Crusader1089]

What's with the irrational fear of just a tiny bit of socialism in America?

I get the impression that socialism is worse in America than neo-nazism is in Germany.
It's probably because America spent a good 50 years fighting socialism, and since America is always right, then socialism must be bad.

That would be because Socialism in general isn't fair in reality, only in your imaginations.

Well that's a rude generalization, communism isn't fair, but a light social democracy is however very fair. For example, socialised health care is fair, since everyone gets treatment and not just the ones who can afford it.

No, it isn't because those who can afford better care don't get it, unless they don't belong to, or seek it outside of the system.

The knife cuts both ways.

No, that's total socialism. In britain private health care isn't outlawed. if you want to say "Screw the NHS!" you can and join bupa or whatever. Socialism is about looking after the weak, not constraining the strong.

 

[Karlott]

it is starting to seem like many americans dont want the policies that are the reason obama was voted for.

See the posts above. More Americans want the healthcare reform than not. It's just the GOP is good at being loud, obnoxious assholes. Also, the people who would stand to lose the most from the reform are filthy rich, and can afford to shovel more BS with endless lawyers and lobbyists. Money talks, bullshit walks.

 

[TheECP]

I will say the Republicans are acting very stupid about this, they're going to extremes and lies to prove points that don't need to go to such extremes to be argued. It ends up hurting their case in the first place. It is pretty sad. That's why I'm no Republican, just conservative for the most part.

 

[Cocamaster]

What's with the irrational fear of just a tiny bit of socialism in America?

I get the impression that socialism is worse in America than neo-nazism is in Germany.
It's probably because America spent a good 50 years fighting socialism, and since America is always right, then socialism must be bad.

That would be because Socialism in general isn't fair in reality, only in your imaginations.

Well that's a rude generalization, communism isn't fair, but a light social democracy is however very fair. For example, socialised health care is fair, since everyone gets treatment and not just the ones who can afford it.

No, it isn't because those who can afford better care don't get it, unless they don't belong to, or seek it outside of the system.

The knife cuts both ways.

No, that's total socialism. In britain private health care isn't outlawed. if you want to say "Screw the NHS!" you can and join bupa or whatever. Socialism is about looking after the weak, not constraining the strong.

Let me restate:

"...unless they don't belong to, or seek it outside of the system."

It makes no sense to belong to a socialized health system if there are better options awailable that you can afford.

 

[Sulu]

Let me restate:

"...unless they don't belong to, or seek it outside of the system."

It makes no sense to belong to a socialized health system if there are better options awailable that you can afford.

Well unless you have a private healthcare that uses it's own emergency number and own ambulances then I say socialised healthcare is the best option.

Regarding OP's topic; It's not as if the NHS look at someone with one leg missing and say "You can die". In fact my grandfather got excellent healthcare within the NHS even though he was late 70s with heart and lung problems, my other grandfather got a triple bipass done on the NHS and cateract surgery. Whoever says socialised medicine tells the old to 'fuck off and die' need to jump back into reality.

 

[Symp4thy]

Please note: Not all Americans are Republicans. Many of us are sensible and know the need for universal healthcare. I don't know much about the NHS, but I'm sure it would be good for America to follow their example.

 

[Collymilad08]

Yeah it's really evil that people in the UK (Of which England is a part of) know they will be cared for it they need it, rather than being stabilised and sent home to die if they don't have insurance.

Evil indeed.