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ILPPendant

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Could someone please post the link where they explain that upon releasing this movie all copies of the Death Note manga, anime and original Japanese movies will be burned on a bonfire and all digital copies scrubbed from the world's hard drives? I must have missed it.

I can think of no other reason for all this manufactured outrage. Grow up. If you think the movie is a travesty then don't watch it.

You want to know why it's set in America? There's a very good reason: Americans suck at pronouncing Japanese names. If they'd kept it in Japan you'd probably just complain instead that they didn't pronounce "Raito-kun" or whatever right. It would also mean the film gets pigeonholed into the "weird foreign thing" by the normal members of the population and no one else goes to watch it either.

Is it so abhorrent to live and let live? It's not like anyone's forcing you to see this.
 

AdamG3691

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who has the death note? we need to make sure that the producers names are written down, and make it destroy all evidence of this horrible abortion of an adaption

are the original creators of the manga okay with this?
if they are, then fine, people could just say that this happened in america before the manga happened or some other WMG/epileptic trees sort of thing.

if the writers are not okay with this or don't know, hollywood is breaking the law.

however, if I had to chose someone to act Light, I would probably choose Zac Efron, mainly because he seems to have all of Lights clothes anyway (seriously, look up any picture of zac efron, and then look at a picture of light, the clothes are the same) and partially to say that the "Zac Efron is Kira" is right :p
 

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MasterSplinter said:
Hello, my name is abobe my avatar, well my fake name anyway. I like anime and acctually am a moderator of a local (uruguay) anime forum with more than 300 active users.

*deep breath*
I think that based on your avatar, the assumption you make that anyone here that knows of death note is a fan and the fact you even care of this or was at all surprised.
*exales*
Makes me not wanna post in this topic, except to say that in my opinion death note is a LARGELY over estimated and fan girl-boy hyped, dull anime in general with the over all look of some kind non sexual hentai, or some kind of shelfter to the people that were too young to obsess over nightmare before christmas.
I understand that, afterall almost every person I recommend it to becomes an L fangirl (regardless of gender), whereas I was always rooting for Light. But, I found it very interesting and intelligent. The only reason to me it may seem dull is because most other popular anime involves people with unrealistic hair beating eachother with weapons and may I be first to say:

THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD
 

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Palademon said:
MasterSplinter said:
Hello, my name is abobe my avatar, well my fake name anyway. I like anime and acctually am a moderator of a local (uruguay) anime forum with more than 300 active users.

*deep breath*
I think that based on your avatar, the assumption you make that anyone here that knows of death note is a fan and the fact you even care of this or was at all surprised.
*exales*
Makes me not wanna post in this topic, except to say that in my opinion death note is a LARGELY over estimated and fan girl-boy hyped, dull anime in general with the over all look of some kind non sexual hentai, or some kind of shelfter to the people that were too young to obsess over nightmare before christmas.
I understand that, afterall almost every person I recommend it to becomes an L fangirl (regardless of gender), whereas I was always rooting for Light. But, I found it very interesting and intelligent. The only reason to me it may seem dull is because most other popular anime involves people with unrealistic hair beating eachother with weapons and may I be first to say:

THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD
especially when you are killing criminals with a pen and making sword like slashes with it :p

may I be the first to say:
SAKUJO!
 

Magnalian

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Goddamn you Jimmy Gibbs Jr.

I'm probably still gonna see it though, if only to see how bad they fucked up.
 

Jack and Calumon

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A random person said:
Obligatory TV Tropes link [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Americanitis].
I clicked on that link... I came off the website about 2 hours later...

Calumon: On Topic... The script is just silly. Japan should stay Japan! Speaking of which... Jack? When can I go back to Japan?
 

MasterSplinter

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Palademon said:
But, I found it very interesting and intelligent.
Didn't you ever got the feeling that it was deliberately trying to look intelligent, i don´t know to me it seems pure bar philosophy (and if you are wondering, no it doesn't count as real philosophy, it's just a name). In the end it's nothing we haven' t seen done before a hundred thousand times and better, the best analogy i can think would be a book that explains a chess match, between too people with mostly equal conditions.

Palademon said:
The only reason to me it may seem dull is because most other popular anime involves people with unrealistic hair beating eachother with weapons and may I be first to say:
But it DOES has unrealistic hair and some weird flying monsters.

Palademon said:
THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD
Heh, say that to Gatsu.
 

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Julianking93 said:
lapan said:
This is already the 3rd thread regarding the movie in a few months...
You do know this thread started back in October right?

My thread was the first on this subject.
I'm sorry then, my mistake.
 

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Well since this is revived, I skimmed the script and I have this to say

getting rid of the "make a perfect world" motive of Light has turned this into shit.
 

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AdamG3691 said:
who has the death note? we need to make sure that the producers names are written down, and make it destroy all evidence of this horrible abortion of an adaption

are the original creators of the manga okay with this?
if they are, then fine, people could just say that this happened in america before the manga happened or some other WMG/epileptic trees sort of thing.

if the writers are not okay with this or don't know, hollywood is breaking the law.

however, if I had to chose someone to act Light, I would probably choose Zac Efron, mainly because he seems to have all of Lights clothes anyway (seriously, look up any picture of zac efron, and then look at a picture of light, the clothes are the same) and partially to say that the "Zac Efron is Kira" is right :p
I have a death note....... Looks like I've got some deleting to do. Does anybody have the names and faces since I dont currently have the eyes.
 

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This is pretty bad. I think it's worth analyzng
ILPPendant said:
Could someone please post the link where they explain that upon releasing this movie all copies of the Death Note manga, anime and original Japanese movies will be burned on a bonfire and all digital copies scrubbed from the world's hard drives? I must have missed it.

I can think of no other reason for all this manufactured outrage. Grow up. If you think the movie is a travesty then don't watch it.

You want to know why it's set in America? There's a very good reason: Americans suck at pronouncing Japanese names. If they'd kept it in Japan you'd probably just complain instead that they didn't pronounce "Raito-kun" or whatever right. It would also mean the film gets pigeonholed into the "weird foreign thing" by the normal members of the population and no one else goes to watch it either.

Is it so abhorrent to live and let live? It's not like anyone's forcing you to see this.
I could care less about the pronunciation or whether the names are changed OR whether the actors are Japanese or not. The core components of the series are the corruption of an egotistical young man due to his power gained by wielding a magic notebook and the subsequent cat-and-mouse investigation. Stripping those elements are what make this bad.

This script is lazy, cowardly, and thoroughly compromised. Luke has a girlfriend to avoid accusations of homosexuality. He ultimately refuses the notebook because American audiences are (supposedly) not ready for an out-and-out villain protagonist. His mother's death is used as an arc to make the movie about revenge (thus justifying the killings), rather than some more idealistic goal. Ryuk is eliminated as Westerners require their reapers grim. Son and father argue because, hey, that's required in American movies.

Also, why "Kira", which is a Japanese mangling of "Killer"? Why not just call him Killer? Why "Death Note" and not "Death Journal" or something more English? If the FBI is bugging his room, why aren't they recording his calls or reading his phone records?

I'd also be happy to live and let live if this thing didn't have have the title. It'd just be a cheap knock-off. This is a cheap knock-off that debases the franchise. This does for Death Note what Highlander II, The Last Airbender, and the Tranformers movies have done for their respective franchises.
 

Gilhelmi

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It might not be as bad as we.....

No, I can not do it, it will be as bad as we think it will be.
 

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ILPPendant said:
Could someone please post the link where they explain that upon releasing this movie all copies of the Death Note manga, anime and original Japanese movies will be burned on a bonfire and all digital copies scrubbed from the world's hard drives? I must have missed it.

I can think of no other reason for all this manufactured outrage. Grow up. If you think the movie is a travesty then don't watch it.

You want to know why it's set in America? There's a very good reason: Americans suck at pronouncing Japanese names. If they'd kept it in Japan you'd probably just complain instead that they didn't pronounce "Raito-kun" or whatever right. It would also mean the film gets pigeonholed into the "weird foreign thing" by the normal members of the population and no one else goes to watch it either.

Is it so abhorrent to live and let live? It's not like anyone's forcing you to see this.
Thank you, what a bunch of over dramatic folks. I mean, this is terrible? The Japanese live action films weren't very good either. I couldn't even stand to watch them all the way through. Plus, this is just a draft. Probably out of many others. Some of the best movies have a ton of shitty drafts. Unlike all of you I'll just wait and see how it turns out.

I don't see the point in keeping it the same. By making it noticed by people who'd never look at anime it might give the original series popularity it may not have gotten first time around. This can only profit the original makers really. I know this growing fanbase factor is true for most comic or novel based movies.
 

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Nocturnal Gentleman said:
ILPPendant said:
Could someone please post the link where they explain that upon releasing this movie all copies of the Death Note manga, anime and original Japanese movies will be burned on a bonfire and all digital copies scrubbed from the world's hard drives? I must have missed it.

I can think of no other reason for all this manufactured outrage. Grow up. If you think the movie is a travesty then don't watch it.

You want to know why it's set in America? There's a very good reason: Americans suck at pronouncing Japanese names. If they'd kept it in Japan you'd probably just complain instead that they didn't pronounce "Raito-kun" or whatever right. It would also mean the film gets pigeonholed into the "weird foreign thing" by the normal members of the population and no one else goes to watch it either.

Is it so abhorrent to live and let live? It's not like anyone's forcing you to see this.
Thank you, what a bunch of over dramatic folks. I mean, this is terrible? The Japanese live action films weren't very good either. I couldn't even stand to watch them all the way through. Plus, this is just a draft. Probably out of many others. Some of the best movies have a ton of shitty drafts. Unlike all of you I'll just wait and see how it turns out.

I don't see the point in keeping it the same. By making it noticed by people who'd never look at anime it might give the original series popularity it may not have gotten first time around. This can only profit the original makers really. I know this growing fanbase factor is true for most comic or novel based movies.
Oh, yeah, things will have to change. The Anime was two seasons of densely plotted Xanatos gambits. A lot would have to be cut just to make a movie, let alone a watchable movie. What's important is that the themes remain intact. If they're not going to bother keeping the spirit of the original, why keep the name? I hope this does turn out well, but I'm not going to get my heart set on it.
 

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Veylon said:
This is pretty bad. I think it's worth analyzing
I guess that makes one of us, at least.

Veylon said:
I could care less about the pronunciation or whether the names are changed OR whether the actors are Japanese or not. The core components of the series are the corruption of an egotistical young man due to his power gained by wielding a magic notebook and the subsequent cat-and-mouse investigation. Stripping those elements are what make this bad.

This script is lazy, cowardly, and thoroughly compromised. Luke has a girlfriend to avoid accusations of homosexuality. He ultimately refuses the notebook because American audiences are (supposedly) not ready for an out-and-out villain protagonist. His mother's death is used as an arc to make the movie about revenge (thus justifying the killings), rather than some more idealistic goal. Ryuk is eliminated as Westerners require their reapers grim. Son and father argue because, hey, that's required in American movies.
Sounds like you know a lot more about the script than I do - which is easy because I know next to nothing about it and (if I'm honest) care even less. I do, however, care about English, so please watch this video. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw]

Now then, if you'll permit me to play Devil's Advocate, may I present an alternative mode of thought based on what you've said here?
In my opinion the script is pragmatic and well-meaning, if (maybe) poorly executed.

Luke has a girlfriend because he is portrayed as being - or trying/wanting to be - normal.
Ryuk is eliminated because including him in a non-unintentionally hilarious way would be sinfully expensive, what with him following the main character around, thus appearing in an awful lot of shots. Not to mention if he's there, there have got to be other reapers too. Only films like the Lord of the Rings and Avatar have a ten quintillion dollar CGI budget.
Father and son argue because it's the easiest and most expedient way of showing that they don't see eye to eye.

I'd say this movie is probably going to be around the 90 minute mark, as seems to be typical of films these days.
That also goes some way to explaining the motivation behind his motivation. Having Luke accept the book would be truer to form but much harder to justify without him seeming like some gleeful mass murderer just looking for means and maybe an excuse to kill people. Without delving into lengthy analysis of Light's character, whatever he became towards the end, he did start out with the very best intentions; his story is The Slippery Slope in action. You squeeze that development into 90 minutes (or 50-60, as the story does need a resolution) and the slope becomes more of a cliff.
If, however, Luke refuses the book, we can show that he's still idealistic, while the death of his mother would presumably give him some reason to be particularly hardline against criminals.

This attempt at an adaptation might be rather inelegant, but I think these changes are understandable.

Veylon said:
Also, why "Kira", which is a Japanese mangling of "Killer"? Why not just call him Killer? Why "Death Note" and not "Death Journal" or something more English? If the FBI is bugging his room, why aren't they recording his calls or reading his phone records?
In principle I agree completely. Here, however, I can't speak for the writers but I'd hazard a guess that it's because "Killer" and "Death Journal" sound kind of daft. They could find alternatives, but why bother when the words can serve as anchors? The third point sounds more like a plot hole than an adaptation "compromise" and goodness knows those aren't unique to any story or medium.

Veylon said:
I'd also be happy to live and let live if this thing didn't have have the title. It'd just be a cheap knock-off. This is a cheap knock-off that debases the franchise. This does for Death Note what Highlander II, The Last Airbender, and the Tranformers movies have done for their respective franchises.
This relates back to my original point: so what? For instance, I haven't seen The Last Airbender movie because so many people have condemned it, but seeing it would have zero impact on my enjoyment of the cartoon, so I'm not entirely sure what's been debased here.

Its reputation? It might be presumptuous but I daresay you haven't met many people who were quite resolute about watching the cartoon, until they saw the movie whereupon they permanently dropped the whole franchise in disgust.

Besides, what's wrong with the Transformers movies? I only saw the first, but I found it rather charmingly silly.

There's really no need to get upset about these things. Serenity prayer and all that...