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Go on America... Remake some British Classics...

I'd like to see an American Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels, Trainspotting or Layer Cake! :p

Hell... What about a re-working of Hot Fuzz or Spaced! The title 'Hot Fuzz' wouldn't even work in the US... and the whole idea of a shootout in a bumpkin village is just normality in Texas isn't it?
 

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VoidWanderer said:
This reminds me of the 'new' American 'version' of Sherlock Holmes. Elementary they call it. I will refrain from any further puns.

Since they are ripping off an excellent BBC series called Sherlock, they decide to make some changes that did raise an eyebrow. Lucy Liu will play Jane Watson... I have no motivation to watch this show, but I am sure that my other Escapists can point out the remakes done by Americans and vice versa.
:( I had forgotten about that... Sherlock and the old ITV Sherlock Holmes were enough... why are the US hellbent on ruining what is an awesome franchise? It's going to be 'young Sherlock Holmes' all over again! (Kids with pipes is not 'cute', it is just plain wrong...) And don't get me started on those 2 new action flicks... :/ That's not even proper Bartitsu! :(
 

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DJjaffacake said:
Shocksplicer said:
I REALLY hope that it's similar enough to Sherlock that they wind up with a lawsuit, seeing as how they don't have the rights...
I think I read an interview where Steven Moffat said they were going to be watching the American version very closely, because they know what's original Sherlock Holmes, which the Americans can use, and what they added in, which the Americans can't use. So there's certainly potential for something like that to happen.
I read somewhere that the producer said that similarity to Sherlock would be "Worrying".
Which is basically press release talk for "WE'RE FUCKING WATCHING YOU."
 

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I only had a quick glance at the posts but I don't think anyone mentioned "The Italian Job". Absolutely fantastic film, featuring the British institution that is Michael Caine.

I won't talk about the american remake.
 

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Tjebbe said:
Nouw said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Honestly, what is the point of making something that's already been made?
To tell the same story in a different manner. Sure, the actual point is money but that doesn't mean you can't try something new.
This can be true, but often does not happen to be the case; there are a number of remakes that have essentially no change in the story or the way it is told. And especially when it is a recent film that is remade I wonder the same thing; are you guys so put off by foreign films? (even your awards consider it a separate category!)

I suspect it is mostly the work of the big studios; they are trying very hard to keep foreign 'competition' out, the films never do well because they never get a real chance.

I have no problems with it; sometimes the remakes are better, but most times I prefer the original. But the original doesn't disappear because of it, so all luck to them.

(oh, regarding troll hunter: loved it! Trolls aren't much of our mythology either, so that doesn't really have to matter :)
Agreed. I wish more people saw reboots as an opportunity to bring new ideas to an old concept or improve upon the original. The Starship Troopers reboot could turn out to be just that. Instead of trying to capture Verhoeven's satirical genius, they're going to be more faithful towards the book and thus create another great Starship Troopers film. Now we're going to have two completely different adaptations of a book. Exactly what a reboot should do.
 

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DJjaffacake said:
Shocksplicer said:
I REALLY hope that it's similar enough to Sherlock that they wind up with a lawsuit, seeing as how they don't have the rights...
I think I read an interview where Steven Moffat said they were going to be watching the American version very closely, because they know what's original Sherlock Holmes, which the Americans can use, and what they added in, which the Americans can't use. So there's certainly potential for something like that to happen.
Hey?

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died in 1930. IIRC, copyright for works of fiction extends to 75 years after the death of the creator. Anything he wrote is fair game.

Now, if they are worried the US version might rip off things Moffat came up with, fair enough, otherwise anyone can make their Sherlock Holmes story.

...

In regards to the OP, yes it's annoying, but then US movies rip off other US movies, why not filsm made in that foreign place?
 

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Elementary - Dear Watson said:
Go on America... Remake some British Classics...

I'd like to see an American Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels, Trainspotting or Layer Cake! :p

Hell... What about a re-working of Hot Fuzz or Spaced! The title 'Hot Fuzz' wouldn't even work in the US... and the whole idea of a shootout in a bumpkin village is just normality in Texas isn't it?
I hear there is gonna be an American remake of Misfits and The Inbetweeners. They also remade Skins I think. They seem more interested in British TV shows than the films.
 

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Subtitles are a pain. And there are usually references to things that just won't make sense to someone in America.

For instance, every single Japanese spiritual thing in Hayao Miyazaki movies.
that's just plain lazyness man. Everyone has to put up with americas hollywood but they make (mostly shitty copies) of every great film from other countries. It sucks man al because Americans are being to lazy or dumb to read? that's pretty sad. I live in Belgium we watch all our movies that aren't dutch with subtitles, it doesn't take any effort at all and it taught me English by the age of 8.


the one exception I can think of right now, is the departed which was a remake of an asian movie called infernal affairs. I haven't seen the original yet but the departed was freaking brilliant, so i'll give it the benefit of doubt.
 

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I don't see an issue with remakes, because although I personally have no problem with seeing the original language of something and having subtitles on (I saw an amazing drama about a year and a half ago called The White Ribbon, a German film, in subtitles and loved it), a lot of the general public (particularly in English speaking countries like the USA and the UK) do have a problem with that. I know if I tried to get my parents to watch The White Ribbon they'd have a problem with it, but they've seen Schindler's List (both films are black and white, and modern - The White Ribbon is from 2009 or 2010 or something) and were fine with that. At the end of the day, the studios have to make money and so they'll do what the audience wants. Sometimes this doesn't work out so well (see the alternate, original, ending to I Am Legend for just one of many examples), but although I'm a filmmaker and an artist and want to keep my artistic integrity, whether we like it or not the studios have to have making money as their main focus - otherwise there'll be no more good films because no-one will have the money and resources to fund them.

What I do have a problem with is remaking something badly. And this applies to TV as well as film. Pretty much every Escapist in the UK will have heard of the TV comedy-drama Skins. A very gritty, down--to-earth show about the lives of teenagers in Bristol, it had plenty of swearing, sex, violence, drugs, and all sorts of other crazy stuff that is considered par for the course in the UK. It's ended now, after six successful seasons, and there's a movie on the way too. The US remake got cancelled during the run of its first season. Why? Because it was a disaster for US audiences, people basically hated that it was keeping true to what Skins is and true to the original version, but it was something US audiences weren't prepared for and make an active effort to keep their young people away from. I've also heard there's going to be an American remake of the Inbetweeners Movie - a similar thing (though much more family friendly), but likewise something that US audiences simply aren't used to. I have no doubt that it will end up flopping in the USA, not because it'll be bad, but because of audience reaction. Unless they try to make it like a regular Rogen or Apatow comedy flick.

But yeah, bad remakes are my issue. I loved the remake of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, because it was a good film on it's own, and it stayed true to the original in all aspects (save for Daniel Craig not bothering to put on a Swedish accent, which quite honestly doesn't bother me in the slightest). But The Italian Job? A load of crap. Didn't stay true to the original, as it should have done, and because apparently American audiences hate anything that doesn't centre around them, the characters were all changed from English to American. I don't even recall if they included the famous "Blow the bloody doors off!" scene, an iconic image of the original, and best, version. At th end of the day, it depends on the film, but while some remakes are a good thing, some things should just be left the fuck alone...
 

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I am in no way anti-American, but I do believe that the current practice of remakes is harmful for both culture in general and the consuming populace.

It's a practice that was, is and shall forever be valid for theatre, drama, any live and real-time on-stage production.

With movies, I just plain don't think so. We get more and more disconnected with the original, source material. Sometimes, rarely, we got lucky and the 'updated', 'reimagined' production was, no doubt, 'better' or just so very good by itself that it deserves a go at immortality. Take, for example, the 1980's remakes of, say, Little Lord Fauntleroy with Alec Guiness and Connie Booth - it's just all-round perfect. The images, the timing, the actors - very, very well done. And the 'original' was made in 1921... and 1936, respectively. See, back then, movies were indeed handled like stage production preserves.

These days, however, we see remakes that happen twenty or thirty years later (The Thing, Total Recall), and the main issue I have with those is that they tend not to respect the source material - at all. They reinvent, they make stuff up, the omit, they make a mess.

Then there's the issue with good movies that were produced anywhere else but Hollywood. They get remade pretty much as soon as someone pitches its viability to someone inclined to sponsor the effort. I think that pretty much destroys worlds. People get served their McCulture, not having to even try watching the true, original effort. They pay to see well-established stars and the story gets changed, cut, mangled and 'modernized'.

For quite a while, I was not aware of this abominable practices, then I saw a "TV remake" of The Shining. It was a truly horrible experience and an abominable, shameful effort. So far, my extreme aversion to these efforts has not changed.

"The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" was at least a 'true' remake in that it kept the story largely intact, but I feel it's still wrong to waste the money and the talent in a sort of job-creation measure when I would actually prefer to see some money and respect flow to the original creators and artists. But that's not what Hollywood is about, is it.
 

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Oh, and RE: Trolljegeren - I think this movie deserves a whole lot of respect. The first time you watch this movie, even though you know what's probably going to happen (see title), you're still going to be impressed, as it's just... mindblowingly well done.

If Hollywood really does decide to remake it, I would expect them to just ruin it, as it is, in its current form, pretty much perfect. Also, it's local mythical subject matter, a true American effort would have to use, say, Bigfoot, Jersey Devils or any other such thing. I would welcome any and all efforts to reconnect us to our local spirit worlds, as long as they are not melonfarming Harry Potter.
 

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Normally American focused remakes don't bother me in the slightest, It doesn't stop the original being any more enjoyable. What does annoy me is when people see them first and it ruins the other version. It's mostly a horror film problem but it goes both ways.

Case in point, I saw Rec, loved everything about it and it was miles above 'Quarantine' (Found footage films really don't work when the entire cast are all drop dead gorgeous). I dragged all my friends over for a horror night and most of them were totally put off thinking it was just a cheap knock off of what was really a high budget knock off. The Japanese Ring was also brilliant and much scarier with its grimy low budget but everyone I know won't watch that either because they can watch a lousy remake without the subtitles.

The depressing thing is some of the remakes might well have matched up to or even exceed the source material if they didn't insist on coating it with layer upon layer of gloss and CGI.
 

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irmasterlol said:
Moviebob did a whole Big Picture about other countries remaking their own versions of American movies. It goes both ways.
Speaking of which:
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The only remake I can think of is the brittish comedy Death at a Funeral.

2007

Saw this at the movies when it came out. Loved it.


2010

It's funny, cuz they're black!


They even have the same guy play the dwarf for christs sake. Put a little effort into it.
 

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Sad to see Troll Hunter get a remake, they'll probably name it Big Foot Hunter or something like that and call it a day.
Prime example of how fucked up things can get though is this: Anyone remember that movie Cast Away with Tom Hanks from 2000? Yeah it was an okay movie, but when you look at it, it's basically just Robinson Crusoe from A to B. However in 2009 South Korea released the movie Castaway on the Moon. Sharing similarity with it's name and the whole "Stranded on deserted island" setting you'd think it's an asian ripoff/remake. But no. The movie uses the setting to a certain degree, but tells a completely different and way better story(the island is in a river in the city, a second character is watching everything from her camera scope, that's all I can say). It's no Hollywood AAA production with fancy CGI and a scruffy bearded Tom Hanks, yet it manages to do a better story and movie overall. The movie actually feels completely original. Even when compared to Cast Away (You can't even compare them).
Both movies have the same basic premise (man stranded on island), but where Cast Away just continues on that basic premise throughout the whole movie without taking any risks, Castaway on the Moon actually develops a story that could've been done even without the stranded island setting.

Needless to say, the movie has become a hit and has achieved better ratings than Cast Away from 2000.

Now guess what's coming out in 2013?
Yep, an American Hollywood remake.
WHYYYY???!§??!?!?
 

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Annoys the shit out of me. Just proves that Hollywood thinks that Americans are so stupid that they cannot watch movies over 30 years old (GOTTA REMAKE) or not American (GOTTA REMAKE).

Idiots. Stupid, stupid idiots.
 

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I depends on the intentions of the film makers.

If it's "churn this out and make some easy money" fuck them, they are destined to make shitty movies.

If it's "No one has heard of this and it's an awesome movie, lets make a native language version of it for our county" then probably it's going to be worth while.
 

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American remakes of European films are fucking disasters. I think it's actually expected that if a film is successful elsewhere in the non-English speaking world, there'll be a Hollywood remake at some point, but they miss the point completely and suck the soul out of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_D%C3%AEner_de_Cons_(film)
Great, funny film.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_Schmucks
Bullshit slapstick bullshit.

French films are really arty and edgy; they're not very accessible. They don't need to be remade, but Hollywood must just steal the concept to make money, which you can only do by watering them down.
 

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European films get almost no press here, and very little even general word-of-mouth. So most people aren't even aware these films are remakes.

I get more ticked off at people remaking Hitchcock movies. Makes me twitchy...
 

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thaluikhain said:
DJjaffacake said:
Shocksplicer said:
I REALLY hope that it's similar enough to Sherlock that they wind up with a lawsuit, seeing as how they don't have the rights...
I think I read an interview where Steven Moffat said they were going to be watching the American version very closely, because they know what's original Sherlock Holmes, which the Americans can use, and what they added in, which the Americans can't use. So there's certainly potential for something like that to happen.
Hey?

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died in 1930. IIRC, copyright for works of fiction extends to 75 years after the death of the creator. Anything he wrote is fair game.

Now, if they are worried the US version might rip off things Moffat came up with, fair enough, otherwise anyone can make their Sherlock Holmes story.
That's pretty much exactly what I said.