American Theocracy
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When did I even come close to saying this? That's right, I didn't.odubya23 said:
What I did say was that I don't think the pledge is as big of a deal as it is made out to be. I can see why one might be offended, but banning a line from a public pledge to suit Atheist beliefs only puts Christians where you are now, and then it starts over.
seeing your very moving biography, I can tell that you started hating America at a very young age. You misinterpret your facts. In no place does the Bible condemn masturbation. Christianity only condemns lust, which is akin to looking at porno and jacking off to that. And what does Jocylyn trying to stop aids have to do with anything?odubya23 said:
"Extremely religious" folk aren't the problem.hungoverbear said:
Moralistic hypocritical jerks who are incapable of thinking critically about any of their beliefs (religious or otherwise) are the problem.
Based on sales of the Left Behind series, they obviously number in the millions.
-- Alex
Church and State in America have been melded since the beginning, and in a very subversive way at that.
Your pledge, which students have to take every day in some states, mentions God.
Your Presidents, no matter how obviously left-wing they are, don't dare go a speech without mentioning God.
Private religious schools are powerfully funded over there.
There is a chance of actually being taught creationism in a SCIENCE class over there.
You have Bill 'O Reilly, who's hugely popular, talking about being "left-wing" as though it's a cardinal sin to be given the label. Hello~ political fundamentalism! Think what we think, or you're damned to Hell.
Forget "becoming" a theocracy. America already IS a theocracy. Less of one than maybe ancient Rome was for a minute, but that's about as modern as it gets in those terms.
Of course, there are voices of reason that say that this isn't what secular government or secular schooling is meant to be. People like David Letterman and John Stewart, who fight it with comedy. But it's not yet enough to change where all the big money is in America; and that's with the religious. If you want a new, more serious separation of Church and State in America, you'll have to be pretty dedicated and get other people dedicated to that cause, too. Rich people, particularly.
And a few choice words for the masses who support the current mentions of God in pledges and the required teaching of creationism in schools:
Free will, nutcases. Remember that? Your God taught how important it was. And to give it to others. So stop forcing beliefs on everybody else.
So says Silva, passionate agnostic and defender of your right to say whatever you damn well please, worship nothing or anything, and pledge nothing or anything, except forcing your idiocy on anyone else.
Your pledge, which students have to take every day in some states, mentions God.
Your Presidents, no matter how obviously left-wing they are, don't dare go a speech without mentioning God.
Private religious schools are powerfully funded over there.
There is a chance of actually being taught creationism in a SCIENCE class over there.
You have Bill 'O Reilly, who's hugely popular, talking about being "left-wing" as though it's a cardinal sin to be given the label. Hello~ political fundamentalism! Think what we think, or you're damned to Hell.
Forget "becoming" a theocracy. America already IS a theocracy. Less of one than maybe ancient Rome was for a minute, but that's about as modern as it gets in those terms.
Of course, there are voices of reason that say that this isn't what secular government or secular schooling is meant to be. People like David Letterman and John Stewart, who fight it with comedy. But it's not yet enough to change where all the big money is in America; and that's with the religious. If you want a new, more serious separation of Church and State in America, you'll have to be pretty dedicated and get other people dedicated to that cause, too. Rich people, particularly.
And a few choice words for the masses who support the current mentions of God in pledges and the required teaching of creationism in schools:
Free will, nutcases. Remember that? Your God taught how important it was. And to give it to others. So stop forcing beliefs on everybody else.
So says Silva, passionate agnostic and defender of your right to say whatever you damn well please, worship nothing or anything, and pledge nothing or anything, except forcing your idiocy on anyone else.
calling America a theocracy when there are other real Theocracies in the world is a bit silly... yes, their laws tend to be based in religious doctrine, but they do have methods in the constitution to see that america is as impartial to religion as much as a heavy religious country can be.
In Theocracies, there is no "Freedom of Religion", you don't have the choice not to be the religion of the leaders, and the leaders of the state are spiritual and religious leaders, whereas american leaders aren't spiritual or religious leaders.
It could be a lot worse.. a lot better too, but also a lot worse.
In Theocracies, there is no "Freedom of Religion", you don't have the choice not to be the religion of the leaders, and the leaders of the state are spiritual and religious leaders, whereas american leaders aren't spiritual or religious leaders.
It could be a lot worse.. a lot better too, but also a lot worse.
If a theocracy is a government with authority based on religion, then America is one.Altorin said:
The President opens his address with a prayer, and a pledge to God. "A nation under God", he calls it. Under god.
"Theocracy is a form of government in which a god or deity is recognized as the state's supreme civil ruler." ~ Wikipedia, sourcing a Catholic Encyclopedia as an apparently reliable source, no less.
If you believe that definition, then the phrase "under God" would make America by that simple definition a theocracy.
It's also ridiculously biased, and culminates with the guy ranting about religion for a solid few minutes. He seems to find and interview the most extreme and off-balance religious people he can.NoMoreSanity said:
I just can't see that movie being a reliable source of information about religion.
I prefer to go with personal experience about religion. Most of them need to be eradicated from existence due to previous abuse of their belief structure.
Top two are Christianity and Islam. Together those two have maimed, pillaged and extermined countless people, millions upon millions and moving into the billions if we got the full spectrum of the 2009 years christianity has apparently been around.
Ever notice how bhuddists do extreme protests? The sit in a clear area by themselves, pour petrol over their bodies and light a match.
Christianity? Carpet bombing and mass genocide.
Islam? Suicide bombing and mass genocide.
I say we all turn bhuddist or similar.
Top two are Christianity and Islam. Together those two have maimed, pillaged and extermined countless people, millions upon millions and moving into the billions if we got the full spectrum of the 2009 years christianity has apparently been around.
Ever notice how bhuddists do extreme protests? The sit in a clear area by themselves, pour petrol over their bodies and light a match.
Christianity? Carpet bombing and mass genocide.
Islam? Suicide bombing and mass genocide.
I say we all turn bhuddist or similar.
Right. Fucking. Here. Seriously, show me ONE extreme religious nut on this website.odubya23 said:
I did't see you make a new post...and see how you are trying to drag me into an era that I did not live through (except in 95) The whole point of the argument is about what is going on now, not what happened 20 years ago. You do seem to be quite irate about the subject.odubya23 said:
I fully agree with every single thing you said.Terminalchaos said:
Religion should be a personal matter and the state needs to be separate as far as possible.
It works well in most European countries and I believe that religious/sexual/racial tolerance have been improved thereby.