Jewrean said:
Gunsang said:
I hate defending my country, but I think I'll have to. It's not that America matters more, it's just that it's such a large country. On some online games they show where people are, Halo 3 has a map. Look at where the people are. There are two major areas, America and Europe. As a whole, Europe beats America, but as individual countries they just can't match up.
Right there you've just proven my point. The fact that America is NOT the majority of players in the world (even though it's quite a few) doesn't mean you should assume every player you meet is from your own country. You start by saying your country, then your specific location. Anything other than that is simply being ignorant.
Yes, but we should know European Countries. As I said Europe is a major area, but the individual countries aren't as big. Do people from Europe say that they're from Europe? No, they say they're from their country, as they should. I believe if Europeans and Americans are playing mainly with people from their area then they should be able to say a more specific location.
Jewrean said:
Gunsang said:
Due to the programs that match people up on online games Americans get matched up mostly with Americans. What's wrong with them assuming they'll be matched up with an American?
Because they don't? Because of the software's biased design, I am forced to play with Americans (or anyone outside my own country for that matter). I can't tell you how many times people have started by saying what American state they are from (like that means anything to me).
Most of the time they do. Most people I play with are American and to be honest I do say a state most of the time. However, if I know I'm playing with someone from another country or that there is a high chance I'll be playing with someone from another country, I'll just say America.
If I get matched up with Britons I have no problem with them saying that they're from some city that I've never heard of. If I'm in a mostly British environment i don't think that they should have to accommodate me. If it really matters to me I can just ask them.
I bring up this scenario because this has actually happened. I was playing at an odd hour and got paired up with quite a bit of British people.
Jewrean said:
Gunsang said:
I know this is getting long, but bear with me. It's about relevance as well. I think people in other counties should know New York City and other major cities. Just as I know Moscow, St. Petersburg, London, Tokyo, Paris, Mexico City etc...
But most of the time they talk about what state they are from (and there's like 50). If I asked you what Australian city was located in the ACT state would you know the answer without Googling? And don't you dare say the city is irrelevant or not popular enough because that would make you a hypocrite.
No I wouldn't know. I looked up the state and it has about half the population of Denver, but do I think that people around the world should know about Denver? No, because it isn't that relevant on a global stage even though we have an awesome airport(tenth busiest in the world) and a large beer festival.
Jewrean said:
Gunsang said:
Globally these cities are relevant. So if you know you'll be playing or talking with people from all over the world then, yes, Americans should stick with saying they're from America or a large relevant city as I do on the escapist.
Saying your from America is fine in-fact that's what I want people to say! What infuriates us 'foreigners' is if you ONLY put what state your from. Being specific is fine when you actually know everyone in the forum or particular gaming lobby is local (in your country). However if you're describing your location to a stranger then you need to start with your country. Starting with your state to a stranger is stupid.
I suppose that this is where we mostly disagree. I don't believe that you have to know that everybody is local as long as you know that most people are local I think that it's fine to state a local location. I think that if someone isn't local they can just ask for a country, I don't see why that would be a very big deal.
Jewrean said:
Gunsang said:
Edit: I just looked up your state(?). It really wouldn't be fair to people to say your state name. It's roughly the same population as Colorado(cool!) and it also has a fairly common name. Victoria is also the capital of British Columbia, Canada as well as other things. So you can't really be surprise if people don't know what it is. Just saying.
That's quite arrogant. I know very little of American states and couldn't care less of them. I know a lot about my own state seeming as I live here with bias. By saying "people should know about major cities and states" and then saying my state isn't important enough is hypocritical. Either saying ALL states (regardless of country of territory) is fine, or none is. Make up your mind! If I'm not allowed to say Victoria then you're not allowed to say Colorado (which by the way I know very little of). How is me saying my state unfair and you saying yours fair? Why do you assume the entire world knows about Colorado?
As a quick disclaimer I'd just like to say that population isn't the only thing that matters, but it's the easiest to compare.
And you shouldn't have to know about American states, because it doesn't matter to you. You live in Australia why should you care about New Hampshire? It's a tiny state that has no relevance to someone who lives in Australia.
No one outside of Colorado should care about Rifle and that's if a Coloradan should even care. A city like Rifle is absolutely meaningless to just about everyone outside of the area. A city like Glenwood Spings is meaningless to just about everyone outside of Colorado. A state like Colorado is meaningless to just about everyone outside of the US. All I'm saying is that states, territories, provinces and cities are only relevant to the area they influence. States like Colorado and Victoria aren't that important outside of our countries, but cities like Sydney and New York City are relevant to whole world.
I think you shouldn't assume that people outside of a location's influence should know about that location. However if you're in a group of people who are comprised mostly of people who are influenced by a location I don't think you should have to worry about accommodating a small minority. I sorry, but that's just what I believe.
I do believe people should know about major cities as well as states like California and Texas which, by the way, have larger populations than your county. Not to say your country is inferior, in fact I like Australia more than I like America.