Ammo rationing at Wal-Mart as panic buying sweeps US

[McHanhan]

Finally, they'll resort to much more personal tools, like swords and flails.
The blacksmiths shall rise again!

What would really suck is guns becoming available halfway through that whole scenario.

It'll be like cheating halfway through Age of Empires and getting the car to blow up the chariots.

Actually, I managed to kill 3 of them cars with my trusty army of horse archers and heavy cavalry
Modern weapons are overrated.

Sadly, an armada of priests once converted my car. Had to call in the nuke trooper!.

Anyway on topic, I find the second amendment and much of what is said in this thread to be quite alien to me. I am not opposed to anything or anyone's lifestyle/political alignment/beliefs/hobbies but the thought of so many people shooting 1000+ rounds of ammunition in what could have been my backyward is quite unsettling. Especially by those that say they buy ammunition for "recreation use". I am assuming that "recreation" is separate from "hunting" because surely the hunting season cannot take a huge amount of ammunition. I mean isn't there a cap to how much game you can gather anyway. It's not like someone with 1000 bullets is going to rock up with 1000 dead elk?. Can one person claim 1000 of any animal during the season anyway?. AND getting back to the article in the OP, it points out a shortage of .45 rounds, which are not hunting rounds am I correct?. Then this begs the question where are the .45 rounds been spent?.

 

[TMAN10112]

It is old news, but I wonder how much of the recent run is due to hunting seasons nearing their opening for some of the types of ammo?

While many people do hunt, even with the ammo hardest-hit by the shortage (.223 is a very popular round for small game), most hunters use small amounts of expensive ammunition made specifically for the kind of game they're hunting.

You only use enough rounds to sight in your gun, and then usually one bullet for each animal you take (One day of "plinking" could easily use more ammo then years of hunting).

P.S.

RUN TO THE HILLS! RUN FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUR LIIIIIIIIFE! RUN TO THE HILLS! RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIIFE!

I love that song.

 

[TMAN10112]

*snip*

"Der gunna tEk mah guuuuuuns! Den dey gunna tEk eerrr JAAWWBS!"

I find that offensive.

I'm sorry you found that offensive, I meant it only in light-hearted jest. (that was a very funny South Park episode)

BTW, I actually really support America's second amendment rights and I personally see it as the biggest and best example of why America is the freest country in the world, that truly knows what liberty is. To own a gun is one of the ultimate rights a citizen can have, for the incredibly potent power and responsibility that is entrusted with it.

The US Constitution's Second Amendment is the physical manifestation of the faith in the individual that they are NOT pre-judged as criminals and they are enabled in their FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT to self defence from ALL threats. It is the ultimate tool of self determination and representative of fair application of the law.

It would be against America's most basic principals for Obama to ban guns or otherwise restrict them more than they already are. To spite how liberal as he is, I hope he is SMART enough to know that the anti-gun crusade is wrong.

If I had my way I would get the UN to admit their anti-gun policy is ludicrous and has directly lead to the death of thousands if not millions. So frequently UN forces move into an area, disarm the civilian population to "unsure peace" then leave after a short while where the defenceless minorities are slaughtered.
I would really like the UN to pass a resolution enshrining the right to self defence and tools of self defence for every Human Being on this planet.

Wow, I'm sorry that I jumped to conclusions so fast.

On the internet it's sometimes hard to tell weather a person is making a harmless joke or being serious.

You might want to check out the Gun Owners thread and Gun Nuts group if you got any guns you'd like to talk about.

 

[Treblaine]

*snip*

"Der gunna tEk mah guuuuuuns! Den dey gunna tEk eerrr JAAWWBS!"

I find that offensive.

I'm sorry you found that offensive, I meant it only in light-hearted jest. (that was a very funny South Park episode)

BTW, I actually really support America's second amendment rights and I personally see it as the biggest and best example of why America is the freest country in the world, that truly knows what liberty is. To own a gun is one of the ultimate rights a citizen can have, for the incredibly potent power and responsibility that is entrusted with it.

The US Constitution's Second Amendment is the physical manifestation of the faith in the individual that they are NOT pre-judged as criminals and they are enabled in their FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT to self defence from ALL threats. It is the ultimate tool of self determination and representative of fair application of the law.

It would be against America's most basic principals for Obama to ban guns or otherwise restrict them more than they already are. To spite how liberal as he is, I hope he is SMART enough to know that the anti-gun crusade is wrong.

If I had my way I would get the UN to admit their anti-gun policy is ludicrous and has directly lead to the death of thousands if not millions. So frequently UN forces move into an area, disarm the civilian population to "unsure peace" then leave after a short while where the defenceless minorities are slaughtered.
I would really like the UN to pass a resolution enshrining the right to self defence and tools of self defence for every Human Being on this planet.

Wow, I'm sorry that I jumped to conclusions so fast.

On the internet it's sometimes hard to tell weather a person is making a harmless joke or being serious.

You might want to check out the Gun Owners thread and Gun Nuts group if you got any guns you'd like to talk about.

Yeah, I just felt the thread was getting a bit heavy and needed lightening up.

Also I saw it as kind of an analogy as the "took our jobs" narrative dealt with the panic surrounding jobs security with immigration. I think once you get the "took our jobs/guns" line out of the way we can take a step back and look at the situation.

Before Obama's presidency he was in favour of even renewing the 1994 "assault" weapon ban but once in the Primaries and now in office he seems to have calmed down a bit. If you look at Obama's official policy it is a distinctly hands off approach, so many times he has said he both respects and recognises the 2nd Amendment right and so far he has made no moves at a federal level. Yet he has no problem with gun restrictions at a local level, which is a bit like passing the buck allowing pro-gun or anti-gun areas to find their solution.

He seems more concerned about the trickle of guns from more rural communities with legitimate shooting traditions and practices into the inner cities where they play a part in the devastating gang wars. Though I must commend him as in the same paragraph he mentions this flow he condemns the very gangster who pulled the trigger as being ultimately responsible and talks far more about the source of the violence rather than the weapon itself.

I think he is smart, he knows how badly Clinton's gun restrictions were taken and also how it had little to no effect at all. He has bigger fish to fry; health care, finishing the job in Iraq, getting things sorted in Afghanistan, dealing with nuclear armed Iran and North Korea, as well as forging alliances with Russia in that task, not to mention Global Warming, and what is looking to be another moon shot!

He cannot afford the political instability of a federal level firearms legislation, or at least no one that directly hits gun owners.

America should not be so worried, but perhaps it is precisely because America's gun owners are so worried that ironically they don't have to worry, this panic-buying will in itself be an indicator of the public mood to convince Obama to delay - perhaps indefinitely - any gun legislation he has planned if he in fact has any planned at all.

 

[paragon1]

You know what would be really ironic? If people resorted to violence in the rush to buy ammo.

 

[McHanhan]

I don't see what's wrong with a compromise.

People want their right to carry arms?. Fine!. Why not limit it to a certain category of arms, say pistols. It's not like a 9mm is less lethal than a machine gun right?. That way ammunition manufacturers can just supply the populous with pistol ammo and leave the armed forces to use the heavy rounds. That way there won't be a shortage and everyones happy.

The people have their guns and ammo and the military is free to spray and pray.

If hunting is an issue; then during the season crack out the hunting rifles and make available the hunting ammunition. Once the season passes, stop production till the next season. Simple right?.

You got your self defense weapons and your hunting weapons. If the ammunition is regulated according to demand then there won't be a need to stockpile anything.

And can someone finally tell me why Walmart has ammunition available?. Who thought of that idea?. I wouldn't be surprised if the started selling coffins for the dead.

 

[munx13]

They are just preparing for the zombie apocalypse.

 

[RobCoxxy]

Best Bill O'Reilly voice:

"GODDAMN SOCH-LIST"

Obama won't take your guns. He fears Zombies.

 

[mayney93]

tbh i laugh at all those americans because what sort of country lets you buy guns in the first place then doesn't put a ration or legistation in place to monitor those that have one or how much ammo they are buying and what its being used for personally i think this is a good idea

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I guess all this means is that Obama is really, really good for the economy.

 

[McHanhan]

tbh i laugh at all those americans because what sort of country lets you buy guns in the first place then doesn't put a ration or legistation in place to monitor those that have one or how much ammo they are buying and what its being used for personally i think this is a good idea

Well the second amendment is a really old piece of law dating back to the British withdrawal from the Americas, therefore they had no foresight of the future to know what kind of a turn the amendment will take. It was connected to the Bill of Rights and I don't believe that the ratification ever included the "monitoring" of firearms. A fatal flaw, yes but back then it was an integral part of maintaining a free state.

But the whole concept of a militia went along for such a long time without opposition that the people now see it as more of a tradition than words on paper. The issue now is that the original need for the second amendment is obsolete considering the size and power of the US military; the US no longer needs a militia of civilians to maintain a safe defense of a free state but the people won't accept such a sudden and drastic change of a bill that is so strongly connected to history. They also won't give up their weapons without screaming oppression.

So now the only thing that can be done is control via ammunition. And that's going swimmingly well too..

 

[Ashhearth]

well if we run out of ammo blades don't need reloading.

 

[cartzo]

i personally hope that there is going to be a democratic crack down, i have no sympathy for people who dont understand the simple concept of "guns are bad", the less guns there are in america then the less people are gonna get shot, noone can desput that.

i've said this many times before but "earth to america, guns kill people".

 

[Cliff_m85]

I don't care what anyone says, I really really REALLY want an AA12.

 

[Cliff_m85]

i personally hope that there is going to be a democratic crack down, i have no sympathy for people who dont understand the simple concept of "guns are bad", the less guns there are in america then the less people are gonna get shot, noone can desput that.

i've said this many times before but "earth to america, guns kill people".

I can, in a fashion.

Make guns illegal and only criminals will have guns. Criminals tend to not follow the rules. If a woman has a gun on her, she's less likely to get raped. Saying "I have a gun" tends to cause the rapist to back off, and if not a bullet to the face tends to end the discussion quite quickly.

 

[Zombie Badger]

I hope this plunges back into using Melee Weapons.

I want to see inner-city gangs fight massive battles with katanas!

 

[Godavari]

I'd love to make a demotivational poster on this. It would have that story as the picturee and be captioned:

"REDNECKS: paranoid enough to panic over ammo shortages"

 

[cartzo]

i personally hope that there is going to be a democratic crack down, i have no sympathy for people who dont understand the simple concept of "guns are bad", the less guns there are in america then the less people are gonna get shot, noone can desput that.

i've said this many times before but "earth to america, guns kill people".

I can, in a fashion.

Make guns illegal and only criminals will have guns. Criminals tend to not follow the rules. If a woman has a gun on her, she's less likely to get raped. Saying "I have a gun" tends to cause the rapist to back off, and if not a bullet to the face tends to end the discussion quite quickly.

i never said they should ban guns, i just said guns are bad, what i am suggesting is that some gun laws should be put forward in america to control how much is too much, i.e. more background checks, licenses, and maybe background checkes should hold more clarity.

and yes if a woman has a gun then she is less likely to get raped, but she is also more likely to get shot.

 

[Cliff_m85]

i personally hope that there is going to be a democratic crack down, i have no sympathy for people who dont understand the simple concept of "guns are bad", the less guns there are in america then the less people are gonna get shot, noone can desput that.

i've said this many times before but "earth to america, guns kill people".

I can, in a fashion.

Make guns illegal and only criminals will have guns. Criminals tend to not follow the rules. If a woman has a gun on her, she's less likely to get raped. Saying "I have a gun" tends to cause the rapist to back off, and if not a bullet to the face tends to end the discussion quite quickly.

i never said they should ban guns, i just said guns are bad, what i am suggesting is that some gun laws should be put forward in america to control how much is too much, i.e. more background checks, licenses, and maybe background checkes should hold more clarity.

and yes if a woman has a gun then she is less likely to get raped, but she is also more likely to get shot.

Laws the prohibit the sales of certain guns to law-abiding citizens? Don't see why. Especially with the fact that criminals will STILL get the illegal weapons.

I'd like to see the statistics that a woman about to be raped is more likely to get shot if she has a gun.

 

[MDSnowman]

This bugs me, when you even hint that there's a shortage of something in this country people go apeshit trying to get it whether they actually need it or not. And of course because it's guns we're talking about it's suddenly all about whack job militia nuts thinking the big scary black man is going to come and take their guns away. *smacks forehead*