An element of American military brainwashing?
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That is because we are lovers, not fighters.Squidden said:
It's Urban Dictionary, for fuck's sake. How can you even take that seriously?
It's like getting mad over the following:
[small]Don't get me wrong, I support The Philadelphia Flyers.[/small]
It's like getting mad over the following:
That's also from the Urban Dictionary. Just to prove an example.
[small]Don't get me wrong, I support The Philadelphia Flyers.[/small]
1. That's not racist at all.
2. Delta Force actually recruits from the SAS and other groups.
3. You're making this big a deal about a comment from freaking URBAN DICTIONARY? Forget any notions of supposed superiority, it's the inferiority complex you need to be worrying about.
2. Delta Force actually recruits from the SAS and other groups.
3. You're making this big a deal about a comment from freaking URBAN DICTIONARY? Forget any notions of supposed superiority, it's the inferiority complex you need to be worrying about.
What makes you even think the person who wrote that was in the US military? Sounds like some idiot 12 year old that saw some TV show about Navy SEALs and decided they were the most awesomest thing ever, at least until tomorrow when he sees a TV show on something else.
Seriously though, I spent four years in the US army infantry, and let me tell you that I know for certain that their brainwashing is of very dubious quality. Oh don't get me wrong, they try. They just suck at it.
Seriously though, I spent four years in the US army infantry, and let me tell you that I know for certain that their brainwashing is of very dubious quality. Oh don't get me wrong, they try. They just suck at it.
The truly unsettling aspect of this post was that you claimed America's special forces should be ranked as weaker than ones in other nations in light of the fact they're all brainwashed, based on the words of one 13 year old wannabe, effectively doing the same you accused him of.
bahumat42 said:
Seeing as we have weapons that can kill an entire group of men, controlled by a guy a thousand miles away in another country.. im going to have to disagree. And you want to go with Spetsnaz card, ok, yeah they are pretty bad ass. But Russia's army is made up of conscripts, young men forced into the army to fight. I don't think its any secret what would happen if a bunch of kids forced into fighting suddenly started getting AC-130dbahumat42 said:
Sorry to butt in on your argument here, but..Mcface said:
Don't a lot of countries?
Missiles and such like
But yeah, by 'Best', you mean you have more money available for them and larger numbers than other armies. So yes, the army in the U.S in the best. But you have to admit, the soldier's aren't.
OT: As said by his name, he wants to hype himself up for when he tries (And fails, likely) to get into the SEAL's, by refusing to believe that anyone's better than them.
I can't really admit to something that I don't know is true.. super powers have never fought each other after WW2. But just looking at battles between insurgents and smaller armies, it's hard to say. The US destroyed the Iraqi army in 91 and 2002. The latter only taking 2 months to destroy all of their tanks, aircraft and barracks. Russia fought Georgia, who were a bit smaller, but still had good conventional equipment, and also wrecked them.Count Igor said:Sorry to butt in on your argument here, but..Mcface said:
Don't a lot of countries?
Missiles and such like
But yeah, by 'Best', you mean you have more money available for them and larger numbers than other armies. So yes, the army in the U.S in the best. But you have to admit, the soldier's aren't.
OT: As said by his name, he wants to hype himself up for when he tries (And fails, likely) to get into the SEAL's, by refusing to believe that anyone's better than them.
(oh yeah edit: i wasn't really talking missiles, we all have those
i just meant more anti-personal weapons. Apaches, Longbow, Subs, AC-130S, etc)
So what, because some doucebag on Urban Dictionary (who probably didn't put NEARLY as much thought into his words as you did) said that America is better then Britain, that somehow reflects on the state of the entire American Military complex?
A friend of a friend (so already we're seeing a lack of reliability in this source) is in the Australian Army, and apparently did some training ops with US forces. I don't remember exactly what they were, I highly doubt they were Spec Ops or anything like that, but apparently his main observation was along the lines of;Count Igor said:
"The Americans are very smart. They have a great military, because they've made it so that any idiot who can hold a gun can be a soldier." (this is paraphrased from what my friend had to say about what his friend said, so yeah...)
Apparently this comment came after a training exercise where they were told to hold a ridge and exercise fire control, because the nearest supply of ammo was at the bottom of a cliff or something. Supposedly the US troops opened up with everything they had in the first 30 seconds and then started screaming at the Aussies for more ammo. Couldn't tell you if this is at all representative (or even entirely true), I just think it's a funny anecdote.
But as many people have said before, when it comes down to it every country with its fair share of nationalism is going to think that it's the best and that its Spec Ops can fuck up every other Spec Ops. Is it true? Probably not. Could any member of pretty much any of these Spec Ops units fuck any of us regular folk up without trying? Most likely.
I'm not American. england would lose though, the point ebing that all nations produce idiotic bravado. I'm Irish and there are people I know who honestly believe that the Irish army could stop the British army from winning a contemporary war in Ireland.bahumat42 said:
yeah but this is the soldiers not the weaponry. (and realistically ac-130's cannot be used all that often due to needing massive air clearance and not be in civilian areas). Soldier for soldier your not stronger is my point. And having better weaponry is not a bragging point it just means your government cares more about killing people than setting up a working healthcare system.[/quote]bahumat42 said:
Uh, and whose are? You arent making sense, infantry? marines? Air Cav? Spec ops? who are you talking about?
Crap, this has started to get out of hand.
I'll just re-iterate that I wish we could forget the urbandictionary thing. I was just relaying where I got the comment from. It could have been facebook, television, carrier pigeon, whatever. That's not important.
I should have phrased the whole thing as a question - is this sort of thing apparent in and around the US military?
That's pretty much what I was trying to get at and I have NO idea why I didn't just ask that in the first place. Pretty stupid.
Oh, and;
Yes - he is making sense.
Soldier to soldier. Basic infantryman to basic infantryman. British, US, Russian, whatever.
And if you're mentioning AC130s, don't forget to mention the massive cost (monetary) to fire just a couple of rockets out of one of those things...!
I'll just re-iterate that I wish we could forget the urbandictionary thing. I was just relaying where I got the comment from. It could have been facebook, television, carrier pigeon, whatever. That's not important.
I should have phrased the whole thing as a question - is this sort of thing apparent in and around the US military?
That's pretty much what I was trying to get at and I have NO idea why I didn't just ask that in the first place. Pretty stupid.
Oh, and;
Uh, and whose are? You arent making sense, infantry? marines? Air Cav? Spec ops? who are you talking about?[/quote]Mcface said:
Yes - he is making sense.
Soldier to soldier. Basic infantryman to basic infantryman. British, US, Russian, whatever.
And if you're mentioning AC130s, don't forget to mention the massive cost (monetary) to fire just a couple of rockets out of one of those things...!
This to the word. Also MOSSAD FTW! Compared to the Mossad the CIA, FBI, NSA, and any other (american) letters put together are ametures. And the "brainwashing" is much worse some other countries. The Spetznaz are trained to ignore pain. That's literaly brainwashing. And ever sonce the begining of time the commander has said jump and the tropps have answered "How high?" that is brain washing as well.manythings said:
probably. Maybe not brainwashing really, but a breaking downa nd rebuilding. but thats part of any military. I mean, what takes young men who dont want to kill and turns them into killing machines at the orders of superiors.
So yeah, the guy was probably trolling. but dont think its just American military. its any military in the world.
So yeah, the guy was probably trolling. but dont think its just American military. its any military in the world.