An instance of piracy being okay?

[Another]

https://orders.bethsoft.com/store/

Here's what you need mate.About 3/4 of the way down.

 

[WrongSprite]

I know it's your first post, but admitting to piracy'll get you a ban, so I wouldn't. Just use google shopping.

 

[Dr_Horrible]

have you looked on amazon? they seem to always have used goty editions

 

[Rednog]

Steam sells Morrowind, that money does go to the developers. As does Amazon (assuming you buy a new copy).\
The only time I've ever personally justified piracy was when Microsoft screwed me over, I bought a Windows 7 key during the whole student sale various sites had online, the problem was that I just put off using the key, and when I finally decided to instal it the site no longer allowed me to download the files, borrowed a friend's dvd copy. Entered the key and everything was peachy for like 3 months, then I get the "your windows key is not genuine" I call up Microsoft, apparently I had used the key for the wrong version of windows 7 or some nonsense and they said they had banned my key and that my only option was buying a new key. Sorry but I paid for my first key, you aren't going to cheat me out of another $100 Microsoft.

 

[Puppythief]

Digital copies!

(Will finally download steam)

 

[RollForInitiative]

Digital copies!

(Will finally download steam)

And thank you for that. I appreciate when a player makes an effort to make sure the money gets into the hands of the developer, one way or another. Points for integrity, Puppythief.

 

[smearyllama]

Steam is where it can be found, as well as all other Bethesda goodness.

Except for Daggerfall. But that's abandonware now, so no one really cares how you get your hands on it.

 

[Zantos]

Steam is where it can be found, as well as all other Bethesda goodness.

Except for Daggerfall. But that's abandonware now, so no one really cares how you get your hands on it.

My first thought to this was find someone who owns it, kidnapp their closest loved one and tell them the ransom is their copy of Daggerfall. Is that wierd?

 

[Hader]

Why do people say these things?

Piracy. Is. Illegal.

Doesn't matter what moral label you try to attach to it to justify it, that one fact isn't changing.

 

[Tipsy Giant]

Why do people say these things?

Piracy. Is. Illegal.

Doesn't matter what moral label you try to attach to it to justify it, that one fact isn't changing.

surely the moral label is important, it is what defines law in the first place

 

[Hader]

Why do people say these things?

Piracy. Is. Illegal.

Doesn't matter what moral label you try to attach to it to justify it, that one fact isn't changing.

surely the moral label is important, it is what defines law in the first place

Law is still the law.

 

[Rauten]

I know it's your first post, but admitting to piracy'll get you a ban, so I wouldn't. Just use google shopping.

Funny, I've admitted being a pirate dozens of times, in different threads and situations, even in the pubclub (when I was a pubclubber), which has quite a bit of yellow-name activity.

And I'm still here.

 

[redisforever]

I know it's your first post, but admitting to piracy'll get you a ban, so I wouldn't. Just use google shopping.

Funny, I've admitted being a pirate dozens of times, in different threads and situations, even in the pubclub (when I was a pubclubber), which has quite a bit of yellow-name activity.

And I'm still here.

So did I, but it seems no one listens to me anyways, unless I quote them.

 

[Tipsy Giant]

Why do people say these things?

Piracy. Is. Illegal.

Doesn't matter what moral label you try to attach to it to justify it, that one fact isn't changing.

surely the moral label is important, it is what defines law in the first place

Law is still the law.

Morals are constantly changing, Law even more so.

 

[Gigano]

Not just developers who need butter on their bread, they're not the sole persons whose livelihood is worth legal protection when there's still reasonably something which could be called a market position for the game.

Why do people say these things?

Piracy. Is. Illegal.

Doesn't matter what moral label you try to attach to it to justify it, that one fact isn't changing.

Laws and ethics do not always match up.

While it will never be fully "okay" to break a legitimately and democratically passed law, there's considerable ethical difference in someone downloading a game commonly sold on their home market (or otherwise easily available through digital distribution), or some Chinese dude downloading a French independent film that will never ever see release in China, and thus never gain any sort of market position there for the law to reasonably protect (i.e. fulfil the purpose it had in the first place).

The former can be condemned for hurting the interests of developers and retailers, while the latter can only be "condemned" based on an abstract notion of compliance with even inane and pointless parts of laws being part of the social contract. Both are illegal, and both are to some degree wrong, but they're not equally wrong. Much like a pedestrian crossing for red light isn't the same situation in a busy city at noon, where all kinds of chaos can result from it, or in the middle of nowhere at 2 a.m, with plenty of light sources and no cars in sight anywhere. This despite it being regulated by the same law.

So laws are laws, but violations are not simply violations.

 

[The Lunatic]

"Okay"?

Morally, I think Piracy is okay when nothing is lost, no purchase would have been made anyway, so, who's actually losing money here?

Legally, it's always wrong, but, I mean, if nothing is lost and nothing would be gained, what's the big deal?

 

[Art Axiv]

Why do people say these things?

Piracy. Is. Illegal.

Doesn't matter what moral label you try to attach to it to justify it, that one fact isn't changing.

Actually, just as a "Did you know?" fact I'll share this with you, and anyone who will read this post.

Did you know that there are countries where downloading anything from the internet for 48h of personal use is legal? Poland is one of those places.

 

[Giantpanda602]

In my opinion, though I never do it, piracy is ok under one of two circumstances
1)Its ok to pirate a game currently still being sold new by retailers if you previously purchased the game and lost it/it got destroyed
2)Its ok to pirate a game if nobody but Gamestop/whatever company you're buying it from is the only person that gets the money anymore because the game was discontinued

 

[Knusper]

It's on Steam for £13, I don't know how that equates to the currency of whatever country you are from.

Edit: Ninja'd by the OP, I really should read the thread before typing.