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Radelaide

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Avida said:
[snip]... but i find trouble in believing in a creator.. the whole concept seems fundamentally wrong, things dont add up.
I agree with you. The bible is one giant contradiction. Things just don't add up with it. If God exists, prove it with evidence.

(BTW - I don't want to offend anyone. It's just my opinion)

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I think the person who wrote this is just saying:

1)Fuck you
2)Therefore, God exists.
 

IronDuke

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Rankao said:
Science fails to tell my why I should be nice to people, while still having bad things happen to me. Why should I help a fallen brother or why I should be kind to the guy next to me. Maybe I should become a dick and taunt and laugh those who are weaker then me.
Why wouldnt you be nice to people? It is in your best interests to survive as an animal, and pissing everyone off doesnt help that, so your body tells you not to. If bad things happen to you, it isn't neccessarily the fault of a random stranger, so why would you be anything but nice to them? someone weaker than you can still shoot you, a mythical man said "Now every coward can kill a hero" on invention of guns, this is why you dont piss off the meek.

You would help a fallen brother because firing synapses or whatever, neurons in your brain tell you that you know this person and they bring happiness on an emotional level (chemical), and you help them because of this emotional attachment, not because god tells you to.

Being a dick makes you a bad person. Religion is not neccesary to have morals, and civil obediance. They are not dependent on each other. An atheist can be a good person, a christian can sodomise young boys.
 

Graustein

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Rankao said:
Science fails to tell my why I should be nice to people, while still having bad things happen to me. Why should I help a fallen brother or why I should be kind to the guy next to me. Maybe I should become a dick and taunt and laugh those who are weaker then me.
Orly? [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/]

There are evolutionary reasons for altruism. And even if there weren't, there's the fact that the majority of atheists you meet aren't dicks. Oh, and there are non-religious moral codes, such as the Tao Te Ching.
 

The Wooster

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Graustein said:
Rankao said:
Science fails to tell my why I should be nice to people, while still having bad things happen to me. Why should I help a fallen brother or why I should be kind to the guy next to me. Maybe I should become a dick and taunt and laugh those who are weaker then me.
Orly? [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/]

There are evolutionary reasons for altruism. And even if there weren't, there's the fact that the majority of atheists you meet aren't dicks. Oh, and there are non-religious moral codes, such as the Tao Te Ching.
Immanuel Kant where are you now!?
 

Graustein

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Decoy Doctorpus said:
Graustein said:
Rankao said:
Science fails to tell my why I should be nice to people, while still having bad things happen to me. Why should I help a fallen brother or why I should be kind to the guy next to me. Maybe I should become a dick and taunt and laugh those who are weaker then me.
Orly? [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/]

There are evolutionary reasons for altruism. And even if there weren't, there's the fact that the majority of atheists you meet aren't dicks. Oh, and there are non-religious moral codes, such as the Tao Te Ching.
Immanuel Kant where are you now!?
According to Wikipedia, in a chapel adjoining a cathedral adjoining his mausoleum (The dude has a mausoleum, how bitchin' is that?), in Kaliningrad.
 

The Wooster

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Graustein said:
Decoy Doctorpus said:
Graustein said:
Rankao said:
Science fails to tell my why I should be nice to people, while still having bad things happen to me. Why should I help a fallen brother or why I should be kind to the guy next to me. Maybe I should become a dick and taunt and laugh those who are weaker then me.
Orly? [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/]

There are evolutionary reasons for altruism. And even if there weren't, there's the fact that the majority of atheists you meet aren't dicks. Oh, and there are non-religious moral codes, such as the Tao Te Ching.
Immanuel Kant where are you now!?
According to Wikipedia, in a chapel adjoining a cathedral adjoining his mausoleum (The dude has a mausoleum, how bitchin' is that?), in Kaliningrad.
Haahaha. Wonderfully done.
 

sneak_copter

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Personally, I belive we will never have any answers to questions that would prove god exists.
Also, people with faith should stop arguing their case so much because if they are wrong who looks like an idiot?
 

Avida

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Radelaide said:
...I agree with you. The bible is one giant contradiction...
Im not just talking about the bible, i have a whole bunch of convoluted arguements but they dont really sound so good outside my head. The main thing i suppose is no-matter what personality i imagine a creator having i cant see this reality being the product...

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Radelaide said:
Illogical BS said:
# TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
LOL WHAT?

Illogical BS said:
MORAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Person X, a well-known atheist, was morally inferior to the rest of us.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
How does being an atheist make you morally inferior to everyone else?

I'm all up for a religious debate, but this is just laughable. I can't honestly believe the author of that seriously believes what he or she wrote!
FFS. It was intended to mock, it was sattire, i cant believe YOU took that seriously.
 

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sneak_copter said:
Personally, I belive we will never have any answers to questions that would prove god exists.
Also, people with faith should stop arguing their case so much because if they are wrong who looks like an idiot?
Actually we dont have any answers for anything. One cant prove anything about anything. Nobody can prove me suffiently that sun will rise tomorrow, so what if I see light it might be a freaking big lightbulb or an optical illusion. Likewise science cant disprove existence of Spaghetti Monster or God or Pink Elephants but it can make their existence darn impropable.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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For fucks sake, lets stop with the damn Theist, Atheist arguements already!

Good Christians CANNOT be convinced God doesn't exist, it will not happen.

Good Atheists CANNOT be conviced God does exist, it will not happen.

All we get are never ending logic loops and repeated arguments.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!
 

Jharry5

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I think religion really is an odd thing... it brings out the best and the worst in people. Nothing else I can think of at the moment has that sort of effect...
 

SignumVictri

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Trace2010 said:
Even if we accept "Big Bang" at face value- one of two things had to happen:

1) The massive outward explosion was caused internally (which could not happen if all matter in the universe were compressed)- the galaxy itself tells us that a star cannot become both a supernova and a black hole- it has to choose one or the other.
2) The massive outward explosion was caused externally. If all of the matter in the universe was collected at a single microscopic point- what externally caused it?
Well, to begin, all matter would never reach a true singularity because as the local mass increases, the loss of mass due to Hawking radiation and the creation of antiparticles increases geometrically. A mass annihilation of particles and antiparticles could have produced enough energy to potentially be "The Big Bang", but this is unlikely. More probable is that said particles escaped through quantum tunnelling. This could simulate an infinite universe by "creating" new matter around the edge and pulling in and annihilating existing matter.

In my belief it is not that we are incapable of understanding the intricacies of human cells, we just have little motivation to do so. The media has essentially made most possible applications of such knowledge taboo. Any potential investor would find a very small payout in relation to the money spent. And before anyone goes ranting, "It could cure x disease or y condition", the cost of genetic screening and gene therapy would be far greater than conventional methods, and everyone knows the ramifications of a "smart" virus.

I'm atheistic, but I do like the idea of a benevolent deity. I just remain to be convinced.

"...The final proof of God's omnipotence is that he need not exist in order to save us." -Peter Des Vries